Alien archeology and other mysteries: Thread 9 - The Canonn

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evaldo10

evaldo10
JamyThegreat said:
That's a valid point for scanners, but its been deemed a bug in game.

I'm talking in real terms as i believe you were with your first quoted statement, terraforming would be something any race would aim to do if it existed and had the knowledge (we have the idea of it, but not the knowledge) Not just humans. As said, terraforming as we know it is a method of changing an atmosphere of a planet to suit a specific lifeform. Regardless of what lifeforms and what method it uses to do it, we as humans know that method to be terraforming. Whatever word it may be in an alien language, it would still be terraforming to us regardless of the composition of the atmosphere post terraforming.

Therefore terraforming is not related to humans solely
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I never said terraforming was related to humans solely, I said the Scanner wouldn't know if an alien had terraformed a world. The way we know if a planet has been teraformed is through the scanner. The Scanner will be programmed to detect terra forming how humans do it. The chances of an alien civilisation using the same method is not likely even if the Alien race was human with same DNA but just from another distant planet.

When there are hyperdictions the scanner doesn't tell you the type of alien ship it is as the scanner wont know as its not been programmed to know. Ram Tah had to reprogramme the scanners so we could discover ruins, prior to that the scanner had know idea what it was looking at as it was alien to it.
 

evaldo10

evaldo10
Jorki Rasalas said:
I agree you have a better descriptive sequence there. I've had a quick look on the first page of the terraforming thread https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/310601-Terraforming-Horror-Show but haven't yet found out how a scanner could detect that a planet had been terraformed, rather than just reporting it as an ELW.

But put that aside for a moment and consider that terraforming is the process of converting a planetary ecosystem from an uncomfortable/uninhabitable state to one that is comfortable for humans, probably at the expense of any native lifeform as happened in the early Empire. If an alien species had similar requirements to humans then I think our ship scanners would detect and report a "xenoformed" planet as "terraformed".

It seems to be a common view that aliens will be multi-limbed bug-eyed monsters that breathe ammonia. They might be, but then again it seems like our human physical construction has been driven by evolution and our planetary conditions. An alien race might evolve in similar conditions along similar evolutionary lines. That could form a true threat, because they would have similar requirements to humans, so would be in competition with us for resources and that is the basis of many conflicts. A bug-eyed multilimbed race breathing ammonia would not compete with us for the same resources so would be unlikely to pose such a strong threat.
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Totally disagree, the scanner is a piece of equipment that is programmed what and how to detect things, its not programmed to work things out for itself.

It would be great if the scanners were that good as it would make life much easier. We don't even get an " Unknown " when the scanner doesn't know what its looking at.
 

Belthize

Belthize
publicstaticvoid said:
Can anyone confirm the distance between the new site and Skaudai is ~8400 Ly?
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Belthize said:
Yep, 8402 to the nearest LY.
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Scratch that, it's closer to 16000, I suspect you flipped the sign on Skaudai's coordinate, it's -5477 not 5477, the latter give 8400 the former gives 16110. Was at work when I checked and that's exactly the mistake I made when I confirmed. Once I got home and checked my notes it was obviously incorrect.
 
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Commanjo

Commanjo
publicstaticvoid said:
I have no doubt that the layout is intentional. Ever site seems different. It might be a roadmap like connect the dots. Decoding the structures however will be difficult because as you've said there is no definite starting point. There are clusters of ruins and don't seem to be any organization within the clusters. The only way to accomplish figuring this out would be to not explore this new cluster but rather go back to the other sites and find something that points to this new site. There has to be order in this chaos. We just have to find it.
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So, you can totally say that the first ruins "point" to the latest site, even if it is just a fun coincidence. Back in December I was at the original Synuefe ruins, trying to figure out what other locations they could lead to, if they functioned like a henge with skybox alignments on the galactic scale. I liked the main ridge of the "key" structure, since it was at about eye-level from the Asp cockpit when I landed on the big circular pad, so it was easy to sight along it like a gun barrel. I waited there through a full rotation of the planet, to check what points of interest the vector passed through. Eta Carina turned out to be a great target.

Screenshot from back then:
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Trouble was, we soon had many more ruins to examine, and they all pointed in different directions. So the alignments seemed less likely to be meaningful, and any hidden information (i.e. about the Guardian homeworld) would be easier to find in the repeated site layouts.

Still, I've been out looking at ruins for the past two weeks, checking alignments again. And this latest development only encourages me! You just can't teach some people :D
 

Belthize

Belthize
Volimar said:
I've arrived at Chi Persei Sector DQ-V C3-1. Sadly the only things in the system are two stars. Widening my search to surrounding systems.
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As I mentioned here that system was only interesting given it's elevation based on an assumption I now consider erroneous. I suspect it's too low by a few hundred LY.

If you really want to poke around out there I'd suggest starting around EAFOTS BP-I B23-1. It's about even with the bottom of the Soul Nebula and its coordinates are a valid equilateral triangle 3rd vertex solution to about 30 arcseconds (it's about 2LY too far west and south) for that elevation. plus it's not in EDSM. I've scanned in galmap at higher elevations up to the top of Soul and didn't find a star with a closer mathematical fit. The rest are out by 5+ LY. Admittedly unless they physically placed a star that's about as close as one could hope. At a guess, given an arc along that area of valid solutions, there's probably 20'ish stars within 10LY of the line.

Fair warning, this is just a theory so if somebody spends a lot of time finding nothing well .... I have an RL commitment starting tomorrow till Tuesday so it may be a bit before I can make it out there. If it's a thing I'd certainly like to be the one to find it but I'll settle for nifty prediction.

Original theory in case anyone's interest.
And a bit more rigorous calculation.
 
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Jmanis

Jmanis
So out of interest, anyone bailing up random USS convoys these days? UA's were in them, UP's were also in them, what's the chance a UL will be in one?
 

Râgnôs

Râgnôs
Jmanis said:
So out of interest, anyone bailing up random USS convoys these days? UA's were in them, UP's were also in them, what's the chance a UL will be in one?
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I can confirm that EVERYONE has fallen in love with antiques... with the occasional Hafnium shipment.
 

Jorki Rasalas

Jorki Rasalas
evaldo10 said:
Totally disagree, the scanner is a piece of equipment that is programmed what and how to detect things, its not programmed to work things out for itself.

It would be great if the scanners were that good as it would make life much easier. We don't even get an " Unknown " when the scanner doesn't know what its looking at.
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That is exactly my point! The ship's scanner will detect a planet that is now suitable for human life, somehow detect that the ecosystem has been artificially altered to make it so, and report it as "terraformed" because that is how it has been programmed by a human. It can't tell if the change to the planet's ecosystem has been done by humans or non-humans. All it can do is detect that the planet now has similar life conditions to Earth (Terra).
 

Erid

Erid
Jorki Rasalas said:
That is exactly my point! The ship's scanner will detect a planet that is now suitable for human life, somehow detect that the ecosystem has been artificially altered to make it so, and report it as "terraformed" because that is how it has been programmed by a human. It can't tell if the change to the planet's ecosystem has been done by humans or non-humans. All it can do is detect that the planet now has similar life conditions to Earth (Terra).
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Rather, the lithosphere does not correspond to the atmosphere. It's not so easy.
 

Han_Zen

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