Or gated behind gameplay. As I said I am all up for a mutually exclusice ADS. You choose which tool would be best suited for the way you play. Maybe they could add another tool that has portians of the FSS and portions of the old ADS to cater for all options.
Allow use of pre 3.3 Advanced Discovery Scanner
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How is this any different from having both the FSS and ADS present and functional, then allowing the player to choose how they use it?
Exactly. Bringing back sort of 90% of the old functionality would work perfectly with the FSS as a choice.
* It does
** The main driver of the FSS is to avoid unnecessary flying around the system. Its designed so you fly to the places you want to fly to, instead of wasting your time flying to places you don't, but you had no idea because you didn't have the required info.
Because they wouldn't be the same. As I said parts of both, not full functionality of both.
Whatever Max. You'll insist on having the last word no matter what anyone says.
The fundamental truth is that the FSS entirely replacing the ADS has caused more than a few players to stop playing. Including some of the most ardent fans and advocates of the game.
If that doesn't give pause for thought, then nothing will.
Marmite features need alternatives, otherwise they damage the game.
Last word on what. Just having a conversation. They normally go two ways.
Never denied that and hence the reason why I came up with ideas what would maybe help them come back.
I doubt it does for FDev as I doubt the numbers are much for them to worry about. I could be wrong here though, but from what I have seen it doesn't look like a huge amount.
Agreed, hence the reason why I have given more then one idea.
Well said. More people should recognise and take this on board.
Edit: and more than this the amount of time its taking to get this recognised is making it so they wont ever come back. 4 months and its still not even being taken into consideration. Poor show.
The reasons are mainly of subjective nature. Not more or less subjective as all existing arguments against it. I've still not seen a single compelling argument against such a solution. You also seem to overlook, that it's not the FSS lovers asking for a compromise, it's the ADS lovers stubbornly rejecting it. And there you are, in the middle of a dead-end road. Good luck to convince FDev with this attitude.
I agree that the discussion is futile. It only flared up again because FD borked the FSS in the update.
What isn't subjective is that FSS-lovers already have what they want and would be extremely unlikely to stop playing if the ADS was restored.
Whereas, some have stopped playing because the FSS gets in the way of their exploration.
More players is better than fewer, right?
It’s Frontier that have to be convinced, not anyone on this board.
Because it's not a binary scale.
I agree that the ADS was overpowered.
I do think the FSS is actually useful, but as a body scanner, not a system scanner.
I'd like the option to choose when to use the FSS selectively based on a more useful system scan than the waveform.
But given the choice of one or the other, I'd use the old ADS, because I'm not playing at all right now.
I agree that the ADS was overpowered.
I do think the FSS is actually useful, but as a body scanner, not a system scanner.
I'd like the option to choose when to use the FSS selectively based on a more useful system scan than the waveform.
But given the choice of one or the other, I'd use the old ADS, because I'm not playing at all right now.
You also seem to overlook, that it's not the FSS lovers asking for a compromise, it's the ADS lovers stubbornly rejecting it. And there you are, in the middle of a dead-end road. Good luck to convince FDev with this attitude.
That's not entirely true. It's (a very few) people who insist that there should be a compromise, and for the most part those who would like an optional ADS back are happy to accept one. However, it's not just one compromise, is it? It must have a cost, and a power usage, and mass... It cannot coexist with the FSS... If it were to exist it must have limited range... If it shows bodies they must be blank spheres...
Plenty of those 'compromises' are fine with me, and plenty with others who would like an optional module available. Drew, for example (I hope he doesn't mind me using him as an example) would be happy with blank, targetable spheres, because he wants to fly his ship, not play the FSS game. That would do nothing for me though, because my 'want' for an optional module is to be able to note anomalies that the FSS spectrum doesn't show, and not have to scan a multitude of bodies for no good reason.
Personally I have no problem with the FSS. I find it very fast, very easy to use, never had a problem locating a body with it, but that doesn't help in spotting stellar forge anomalies which might prove to be an incentive for me to explore. I have no other real reason to explore, I got Elite ranking in it almost two years ago, don't need credits. You and anyone else are welcome to think that I am wanting an ADS to make exploration easier, but it ain't so.
There are a number of different reasons why people want an ADS module back, just as there are a number of different reasons why others really like the FSS. Plenty like it because it makes exploration quicker and easier while others like it because they find it makes it feel more involved and realistic. Assuming everybody who wants an optional ADS is just because they hate the FSS, or find it difficult to use is missing the point.
We're creeping in with stuff that clouds the common sense here, this "mutually exclusive compromise" doesn't make a great deal of sense.
The option to have an ADS fitted so the player can look at the system map and make an informed choice as to scan and investigate (perhaps/most likely with the FSS) or not is not detracting from any other player, if you want it have it... if you don't then don't fit it
Take that argument to it's logical conclusion.
Keep catering to an ever diminishing playerbase, or consider why people who previously loved the game stopped playing.
ED is doomed, DOOMED I tell ye!
It only alienates those who are adamant that they're right because they don't like the idea, most don't care because it doesn't affect anyone that doesn't want it.
The number of players who'd return to ED if the ADS was reinstated as an optional module is vastly larger than the number of players who'd sulk if it wasn't mutually exclusive. And of those people who'd sulk, not a single one of them would stop playing ED - they'd just not fit the ADS. So maybe FDev should cater to those they've driven away, rather than the sulkers.
Also, a truly versatile player would be one who is able to find a use for both the FSS AND the ADS - rather than someone who can only use one or the other.
Finally, to be clear, I would start playing again if the FSS and ADS were mutually exclusive - I just have yet to be convinced by any of the arguments as to why that should be necessary. Honestly, my impression of the main reason for people insisting on mutual-exclusivity is that it comes from a (probably subconscious) desire to punish people for not liking what they like.
Appearances suggest fronter loves a troll more than they care about making customers happy. I guess this is reflected in the mixed review status this game has earned and thats even with the number of false reviews filled with undeserved praise.
I genuinely wonder if braben actually takes any interest in what happens to ED these days. Things could be so different.
Seriously, I'm not going to discuss conspiracy theories with you.
Shadowy elite cabal members always say that
Will be when they see the metrics that show not as many players are exploring / scanning / mapping as they had hoped.
Will that happen? I don't know, but then I certainly didn't realize not enough players were engineering or getting guardian modules or...
Votes assume the white knights wont just skew the outcome, considering how few of the entire playerbase actually come to these forums. Bottom line is that they stole a feature from the players that used and enjoyed it and have dealt with complaints about this by completely ignoring them. We shouldnt have to beg or vote to get that feature back, especially as its so irrelevant to any balance issues or really any part of the game other than a certain kind of exploration. Bad work compounded by bad attitude.