Ah, ok... I was sure I read otherwise, but thinking back, I could have imagined it. It was, after all, a very long time ago.
Am I the only one who hopes our Ships *don't* get atmospheric landing?
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Ah, ok... I was sure I read otherwise, but thinking back, I could have imagined it. It was, after all, a very long time ago.
...if you take your foot of the gas.
I've seen Buckyballers use the landing pad as a brake...
Hmmmm, I'm going to go with... "yes".
Maybe?
In Frontier and FFE you were good to go (into an atmosphere) as long as you had a working atmospheric shielding unit equipped. Note this was just to provide a heat shield like protection to avoid burning up on entry to a thick atmosphere at high speeds. I suspect the general theory of all 'space' craft built in the Elite universe (except where their descriptions explicitly counter it) is that they are capable of flying in the atmosphere of a planet, the technology of engines and ship design being what it is at that point of human technological achievement.
Heck even a 'simple' un-aerodynamic rocket can be made to 'fly' and land safely in our own atmosphere as we have seen with SpaceX.
A heat shield is probably the only real physical aspect you need to make it possible.
A link on where we are heading with this in ED:
http://elite-dangerous.wikia.com/wiki/Atmospheric_Landings
For my money we HAVE to have this, and explorable planets across the range of planet types we could theoretically encounter. It is just the natural progression of the Elite series, and until we do have planet landings and atmospheric flight, ED remains unplayed by me as i prefer what is on offer in FFED3D. There is just more variety of game interest in it at this point imho.
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No reason for a ship capable of dozens of g of acceleration, that is surrounded by an impermeable forcefield, to not be able to ram it's way through most atmospheres, most oceans, or even more wild materials. Hell, even liquid helium or magma wouldn't even stretch the standard of credibility we currently have.
I vehemently disagree, at least when it comes to remotely Earth-like densities.
With the thrust to weight ratios we have (and thrust to drag ratios most ships would likely have), aerodynamics that would make a Borg Cube look streamlined shouldn't be a problem.
Biggest issue I see would be the buoyancy of larger ships. An Anaconda might be able to brute force it's shield bubble through fairly dense air with little trouble, but even boosting with DD5s it probably wouldn't be able to submerge itself in water.
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As long as ships like the USS Enterprise and Star Destroyers can enter atmospheres then I don't have any problems with our ships doing the same.
ED isn't a simulation, it's a fantasy space game with realistic elements imho.
ED isn't a simulation, it's a fantasy space game with realistic elements imho.
Somebody please model a Type-10 in X-Plane, to prove all that atmosphere flying stuff.
I don't think this should be an issue with in game physics. Thrusters in ED are capable of moving a 2000t ship at 650mph and hulls are heat resistant enough to skim the corona of a star. I don't see an elw or inert atmosphere world be any issue if/when this is implemented.
I have my doubts about whether we'll get to land on Venus type worlds though, as I'm sure the Venusian atmosphere is worse than a caustic missile. Also, given the amount of heat generated by thrusters, I'm not sure being under water would be logical without boiling everything around the ship.
I have my doubts about whether we'll get to land on Venus type worlds though, as I'm sure the Venusian atmosphere is worse than a caustic missile. Also, given the amount of heat generated by thrusters, I'm not sure being under water would be logical without boiling everything around the ship.
Yeah, I'm not a fan of spaceships doubling as submarines. Our ships doubling as boats, well at least some of them (like my Orca), that can float on the water and deploy a submersible via the SRV hangar, now that's something I'd pay money for!
Moray Starboat - the reality
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I would like to point out to the naysayers that we already know that our ships will function perfectly well in an atmosphere with composition, pressure and temperature similar to earths, all of us do this at the start or end of most flights, deep explorers excluded.
All the large stations have a full atmosphere as soon as you get through the slot, that is why when you have a broken canopy you go off life support when you get inside.
Airodynamic lift is not required for flight just sufficient thrust to counteract gravity, examples of this include helicopters, vtol aircraft in vertical flight mode and those lunatics who fly jet packs or water jets. As many others have said thrust is not usually an issue for our ships.
All the large stations have a full atmosphere as soon as you get through the slot, that is why when you have a broken canopy you go off life support when you get inside.
Airodynamic lift is not required for flight just sufficient thrust to counteract gravity, examples of this include helicopters, vtol aircraft in vertical flight mode and those lunatics who fly jet packs or water jets. As many others have said thrust is not usually an issue for our ships.
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Hoverboards reqire too much balance and standing up, things more like the space scooters from Fireball XL5 for open country work or the hover bikes from Thunderbirds for towns and buildings.
We don't need any special equipment at all. When we drop in next to stars, we are already taking far more heat and radiation than any atmospheric entry, we should be able to nosedive through an atmosphere such as earth's at any speed we like.
The only possible concern is morbad's, that some atmospheres may be so thick we would float on them and therefore not be able to penetrate them.
The only possible concern is morbad's, that some atmospheres may be so thick we would float on them and therefore not be able to penetrate them.
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Rafe Zetter
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No atmospheric landings? (in particular no earthlikes with a comparable atmosphere - so FDev can't fudge it by putting in basic methane atmos like on Pluto and claiming they are "done".)
Sorry that's just not gonna fly for three reasons.
1) it's a major component of the KS plan, and would be as significant deviation from how it was sold as if they had said "no thargoids".
2) the previous two games in the franchise had atmospheric landings.
3) there's no real reason why the current and any future ships cannot do it - taking into consideration the atmosphere in question of course.
If that's already been said, apologies - I'm not going to wade through pages of replies anymore.
Sorry that's just not gonna fly for three reasons.
1) it's a major component of the KS plan, and would be as significant deviation from how it was sold as if they had said "no thargoids".
2) the previous two games in the franchise had atmospheric landings.
3) there's no real reason why the current and any future ships cannot do it - taking into consideration the atmosphere in question of course.
If that's already been said, apologies - I'm not going to wade through pages of replies anymore.
I'm sure our ships will be fine if they can handle 270 G around the sun.
(Don't even want to know what the gravitational force is at Antares)
(Don't even want to know what the gravitational force is at Antares)
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Rafe Zetter
Banned
two words:
Moray Starboat.
If this particular peculiarity among the the original games doesn't make it into this version of Elite INCLUDING the ability to go underwater - it never will - because I have immense doubts that there will be another Elite franchise game in the next couple of decades, unless the whole gaming VR / full body / simulation immersion becomes a thing (like Ready Player One), and somehow FDev manage to beat Cloud Imperium to it.
So it's basically not happening.
So it's now or never for the Moray Starboat.
Rafe Zetter
Banned
No Aashenfox - riverside is right - dense atmosphere is far far different from radiation in space in a near vaccum.
Ambient radiation as heat and frictional heat are also two very different things because of how the particles behave.
Now ofc FDev can just handwavium all the realties away and just give you a basic system as they have now, but you can't truly have the "we should be able to do x,y,z with teh ships as they are" and keep to reality.