Please, read the initial post. It´s not about ONE disconnect.
Since you are the mod, and not I, I shouldn´t have to reminded you not to make fun of people.
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PvP An Investigation Into Frontier's Actions on Combat Logging, Part 2
- Thread starter Rinzler o7o7o7
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Please, read the initial post. It´s not about ONE disconnect.
Since you are the mod, and not I, I shouldn´t have to reminded you not to make fun of people.
You don't care, but you read the post, replied to it and then replied to a reply about your "I don't care" response. If you don't care, then you've clearly got far too much time on your hands
While I myself do not care about clogging, I do not like cheating too. In reddit I have read one thing which imo would be nice compromise: Have updated public statistic with investigation causes vs punished accounts would be nice way how to not reveal the offenders names to the public, but in the same time give very clear sign that cheating (not only clogging) in this game is not recommended.
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Goose4291
Banned
You don't care, but you read the post, replied to it and then replied to a reply about your "I don't care" response. If you don't care, then you've clearly got far too much time on your hands
Indeed. This 'not caring' seems like hard work to me.
Wow is this thread still going, a fabricated investigation with 5 reports over 5 mnth, a number which easily could be normal network issues has convinced this many to get upset?
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I think its perfectly fine as it is now.
One of my best experiences in my somewhat short pirate career was chasing a Type 6 who was highwaking to constantly avoid me till they ran out of fuel.
At which point, the Alt+F4 came into play.
The mechanic is good as it is.
There are a few OP weapons in the game that make a bit of mess for slower ships. Engineered and premium synth pack hounds, is one of them.
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hang on.... they removed the "stolen" items..... they did not take action against the cheaters. there is a subtle but very important difference there.
I agree IF FD can stop the ability of dirty clogging they absolutely should. I also agree it is a form of exploit / cheating.
All i want is for FD to deal with the cloggers in the same way as ALL exploiters. many hear appear to want cloggers to be treated more harshly than other types.
the added problem with clogging is sometimes the internet burps so it is not always cut and dry who is a clogger and who has had a bad internet day.
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Regardless of what you may think of SDC, The Op made a marvelous tutorial for trading in open that consistently works to allow un-engineered trading vessels avoid destruction at the hands of engineered combat vessels. The methods work, and I've used them myself vs PCs and NPCs. And yes, it involves high-waking.
Why combat log when high-waking is an option, and indeed an option the OP and most PvPers have no issue with?
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Don't get me wrong I agree that folk shouldn't CL, they can just use the other modes it what they are there for.
What I object to is a supposed 'investigation' that has poor methodology and a tiny sample size passing itself of as some sort of proof; it's baloney.
OP. Thanks for your work on this. I've never CL and I don't like it when other players do; it leaves a sour taste when I PvP.
Though we can't assume that FD doesn't take action against CLers. A few CL on 1 account doesn't prove anything either way. A quick google search shows that quite a lot of players have received letters from FD re. CLing and that some have been perma-banned. I suggest next time you run this test, do it with at least 100 "dummy" accounts to get more meaningful results. Elite was only £5 on sale over Christmas. PM me if you want help with this.
Whatever FD do with CLers, I'm glad they don't ban GTA5 players willy-nilly like Rockstar do.
Though we can't assume that FD doesn't take action against CLers. A few CL on 1 account doesn't prove anything either way. A quick google search shows that quite a lot of players have received letters from FD re. CLing and that some have been perma-banned. I suggest next time you run this test, do it with at least 100 "dummy" accounts to get more meaningful results. Elite was only £5 on sale over Christmas. PM me if you want help with this.
Whatever FD do with CLers, I'm glad they don't ban GTA5 players willy-nilly like Rockstar do.
The problem I see here though...it's a balance of sample size vs how much it costs per account to create that sample size. It may not be enough by itself to definitively show proof, but it's the best they can do on their budget. And by itself, it's not definitive, but combined with the previous test, and the large numbers of youtube videos that can be found showing combat logging, and the number of people bragging they do it/endorse it/would do it in a heartbeat do, when brought all together, indicate a likelihood there's an issue here.
Good job OP.
It always good to get definite confirmation even if suspicion is almost certain.
Also FDev silence and unwillingness to be clear on "difficult issues" speaks miles.
Do they think that "sweep under the carpet" or "Be vaguely dismissive" is the best tactics for tackling cheating/exploits they don't know how to solve? I don't think it will work well.
It always good to get definite confirmation even if suspicion is almost certain.
Also FDev silence and unwillingness to be clear on "difficult issues" speaks miles.
Do they think that "sweep under the carpet" or "Be vaguely dismissive" is the best tactics for tackling cheating/exploits they don't know how to solve? I don't think it will work well.
I can see where they are coming from, broken C&P, griefers constantly exploiting for cheap kills with no comeback at all from pre-launch onwards. You can't compel people to play a game that's effectively broken.
I find myself having to play a game with known cheats, which I really dislike. I block as many of them as I can but I'd prefer FDEV just kicked them out.
When I was getting rank for a corvette I got bored and took a load of chained ground scan missions just for a break, I turned up scanned the first outpost and competed every pending mission I had. Some people were exploiting that for data at the time, but not being a cheat I didn't know and lost most of the data due to not having storage room.
There's a difference between stumbling across a bug and active cheating.
People clog to avoid a rebuy, ie they cheat to save money. That's no different to cheating to get money, which has always been rampant.
I don't do either, they are effectively the same from my perspective.
Achilles7
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Hmmm I recognise quite a few players who have gank....err asymmetrically PvP'd with me! They mostly (ie 'all'!) fall into the 'indignation about the unfairness of CL-ing' camp!
I must say, when people lack the ability to understand the concepts of irony & self-awareness, it gives me a warm, fuzzy feeling of smugness! Tbf though, that feeling rarely leaves me...like now, 'who here, is still on holiday?' No? Oh dear, that's a shame![big grin]
I must say, when people lack the ability to understand the concepts of irony & self-awareness, it gives me a warm, fuzzy feeling of smugness! Tbf though, that feeling rarely leaves me...like now, 'who here, is still on holiday?' No? Oh dear, that's a shame![big grin]
LOL, it’s amassing how many post were *cleaned* since the thread exists and how many ad-hominem were left. So killing the messenger to diminish his statement is common and legal practice in this forum. Why I’m not surprised hence apparently CLoging is legal practice in this game?
FDev does not know how to fix it (apparently its a result of poor choice of core architecture), but they are also afraid to admit it because they are afraid it will lead to basically admitting that its free to exploit with no repercussions. So they are seem to just trying to play misinformation and half-truths game in (vain) hope it will limit exploit spread somehow.
Rinzler, with respect, I really don't think anyone cares about combat logging concerns until the crime and punishment system is changed so that there are actual consequences to casual murder. We have no problem with you wishing to play the role of the villain, but right now there's no risk reward to the actions of SDC and other 'murder hobos'. Once these changes go through, we'll be happy to support you in getting this addressed.
tl;dr: We will keep treating combat logging the same way you treat suicidewinding until the crime and punishment changes go through: a easily exploitable annoyance not worth worrying about.
tl;dr: We will keep treating combat logging the same way you treat suicidewinding until the crime and punishment changes go through: a easily exploitable annoyance not worth worrying about.
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I was talking about ED (a computer game) not international sport.
Yes serious international competition for sure.I've never disagreed about the cheating aspect, don't assume I approve or would do it myself, I just simply don't understand why anyone gets so upset about it when ED is a computer game* Or rather the people that get most upset seem to be quite happy to cheat and exploit themselves.
*Maybe it's a generational thing? Games are games to me, cheating is bad but why get upset?
In all these threads and posts I've never seen anyone attempt to explain exactly why it bothers them so much.
I am still on hols too. I too am delighting in the cloggy saltiness. Theres a phrase that goes, you reap what you sow and it is more evident here in this thread than anywhere else.
Currently I am reaping a bacon and egg butty and a mug of tea with my feet up. Listening to Vol3 of The Complete Stax Story 72-75. I too have a warm smug feeling. I might have a smoke...