Considering the SDC's reputation and certain people being involved in the Engineering exploit, they really need to put their own house in order before they go crying off about this issue. If its a case of people consenting to PvP and one person can't take the heat and cries off then it's fair enough (Powerplay would be a good example of this), that in my opinion is a genuine Clog and should be punished with a shadow ban or moved to this mythical Cheaters instance (There was talk of it but I don't think it was ever implemented).
However, the main issue here is un-consensual PvP. For those people who who say it's part of the game etc, please look at the example of Jumpgate. It was completely ruined by big players seal clubbing newbies and once that reputation got established it never recovered. I have several people say they would like to play but they're scared of an Eve like gank as soon as they launch. Even though Sandro has said that according to their statistics it doesn't happen as often as people think. I would add that the Griefing that the SDC have a reputation of doing (See the mobius group invasion, no warnings or stand or deliver calls there, just plain griefing) is far more damaging to the game than the Clogging.
Now we know that C&P is going through yet another rework for Beyond and if I'm not mistaken, that also includes a Karma system to detect if players have a history of Clogging and different fines for Griefers. This is the only way that their going to be able to determine who has been genuinely Clogging but it feel suspicious that if this goes through and makes a difference, the SDC will attempt to take credit for it even though it's been in development for months. All this is doing is diverting resources away from developing the solution to the root of the problem.
As Paige and Zac have already said, they are not going to reveal the present detection methods that they are using at the moment to determine people who combat log. That's fine as I wouldn't want the present explioters to have information they could use to counter those detection methods, but what would be nice is something like anatomised data saying that X numbers of player accounts have been shadow banned due to Clogging or Banned for Cheating/scripting etc. That would probably help show that something is being done
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Oh and I know that there will be people saying that this wouldn't be an issue if it wasn't for the pier to pier architecture, I would say we wouldn't even have Elite : Dangerous without it. If after all this time EVE hasn't managed to do twitch based combat, it ain't going to based on current internet infrastructure.
However, the main issue here is un-consensual PvP. For those people who who say it's part of the game etc, please look at the example of Jumpgate. It was completely ruined by big players seal clubbing newbies and once that reputation got established it never recovered. I have several people say they would like to play but they're scared of an Eve like gank as soon as they launch. Even though Sandro has said that according to their statistics it doesn't happen as often as people think. I would add that the Griefing that the SDC have a reputation of doing (See the mobius group invasion, no warnings or stand or deliver calls there, just plain griefing) is far more damaging to the game than the Clogging.
Now we know that C&P is going through yet another rework for Beyond and if I'm not mistaken, that also includes a Karma system to detect if players have a history of Clogging and different fines for Griefers. This is the only way that their going to be able to determine who has been genuinely Clogging but it feel suspicious that if this goes through and makes a difference, the SDC will attempt to take credit for it even though it's been in development for months. All this is doing is diverting resources away from developing the solution to the root of the problem.
As Paige and Zac have already said, they are not going to reveal the present detection methods that they are using at the moment to determine people who combat log. That's fine as I wouldn't want the present explioters to have information they could use to counter those detection methods, but what would be nice is something like anatomised data saying that X numbers of player accounts have been shadow banned due to Clogging or Banned for Cheating/scripting etc. That would probably help show that something is being done
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Oh and I know that there will be people saying that this wouldn't be an issue if it wasn't for the pier to pier architecture, I would say we wouldn't even have Elite : Dangerous without it. If after all this time EVE hasn't managed to do twitch based combat, it ain't going to based on current internet infrastructure.
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Yes serious international competition for sure.
