PvP An Investigation Into Frontier's Actions on Combat Logging, Part 2

Martian Successor

Martian Successor
Riverside said:
This is utter condescending garbage.

You just can't be bothered to put the effort in, just like the Clogging gankers can't be bothered to accept they won't win every fight. Do you want everything handed to you on a plate, or are you going to put some effort into achieving your goal?

Please, elaborate.
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I wouldn't be so harsh. Consider your own experiences with trying to show people a perfectly viable attempt at a solution that could be implemented by FD and the replies you got. Even the well known youtuber who is usually very sound of mind rejected your argument wholesale without even bothering to comprehend or read fully a single sentence of what you wrote to him.

Try to imagine being met with that same level of response for many months with nothing changing no matter how calmly or eloquently you elaborate on the problem. With the frequent ulterior motives crowd and agenda pushers in play added to the mix. You'd become exasperated and tired of repeatedly explaining yourself as well.
 

Riverside

Riverside
RagingxPenguin said:
I want people to be accountable for decisions made in game.
If those choices get you killed then so be it!
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This alone is a better response than just saying there's no point trying to explain. It doesn't take much more effort, and now instead of an antagonistic response you get acceptance & general agreement.

I don't snip to remove context, your post is still available for anyone to interpret as they wish. I snipped for relevance to my reply, and clarity.
 

RagingxPenguin

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Martian Successor said:
I wouldn't be so harsh. Consider your own experiences with trying to show people a perfectly viable attempt at a solution that could be implemented by FD and the replies you got. Even the well known youtuber who is usually very sound of mind rejected your argument wholesale without even bothering to comprehend or read fully a single sentence of what you wrote to him.

Try to imagine being met with that same level of response for many months with nothing changing no matter how calmly or eloquently you elaborate on the problem. With the frequent ulterior motives crowd and agenda pushers in play added to the mix. You'd become exasperated and tired of repeatedly explaining yourself as well.
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Oh see, now that is a rep

I think people honestly need to have a front row seat ride to understand just exactly how combat logging gets frustrating.
 

Riverside

Riverside
Martian Successor said:
I wouldn't be so harsh. Consider your own experiences with trying to show people a perfectly viable attempt at a solution that could be implemented by FD and the replies you got. Even the well known youtuber who is usually very sound of mind rejected your argument wholesale without even bothering to comprehend or read fully a single sentence of what you wrote to him.

Try to imagine being met with that same level of response for many months with nothing changing no matter how calmly or eloquently you elaborate on the problem. With the frequent ulterior motives crowd and agenda pushers in play added to the mix. You'd become exasperated and tired of repeatedly explaining yourself as well.
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I thought my response was proportionate to the post. I try, I don't always succeed. RagingxPenguin, I appreciate that you are actually contributing helpful content (and have repped you where appropriate) to this thread, as are those you were replying to. I hope you appreciate that the condescending attitude won't win you any favours. In my book it's no better than the famous PvE group advocates, it's divisory rather than respectful.
 

Riverside

Riverside
RagingxPenguin said:
Oh see, now that is a rep

I think people honestly need to have a front row seat ride to understand just exactly how combat logging gets frustrating.
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You may well have a point but realistically it's not going to happen. otoh it's quite reasonable for readers to understand the issue if it's described in a way they can relate to.

The Combat Logging Griefer (or sealclubber, spawncamper etc) is a simple scenario that most people can relate to, and solving that issue also captures the CLogging trader.

ETA see test #2 in this post:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/359238-Combat-Logging-Punishment-Proposal?p=5662061&viewfull=1#post5662061
 
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Stigbob

Stigbob
Zaphod Hawke said:
Wait... reddit is major press now? [haha][haha][haha]

[squeeeee][squeeeee][squeeeee]

So what if they kill the occasional noob? Who doesn't?

And so what if you still spend money on the game? So do I from time to time, and I think you'd be hard pressed to find an SDC member flying without at least colored weapons and exhausts.


Besides, I tell anyone who asks to avoid the game, but it doesn't matter. Nobody ever asks about Elite Dangerous... because they've never heard of it.
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Nah, an internet gaming news site ran something about it. They left out the bit about only five reports over five months though.
 

Riverside

Riverside
Zaphod Hawke said:
Wait... reddit is major press now? [haha][haha][haha]

[squeeeee][squeeeee][squeeeee]

So what if they kill the occasional noob? Who doesn't?

And so what if you still spend money on the game? So do I from time to time, and I think you'd be hard pressed to find an SDC member flying without at least colored weapons and exhausts.


Besides, I tell anyone who asks to avoid the game, but it doesn't matter. Nobody ever asks about Elite Dangerous... because they've never heard of it.
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Have you been sent by the big boys to do damage control Zaphod? I'd have thought you'd at least read the thread first ;)

Kalie said:
The same mode idea only works if the server can lock the instance and thats not likely so that is really hardly an issue for the logger getting away from a gank. Unless you want instances locked (if that is even possible) until the player decides to log back in.
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The instance doesn't need to be locked. It removes the benefit of CLogging (switching to solo & moving position), the enemy (the player that was CLogged from) can just be waiting in SC.
 

Riverside

Riverside
Kalie said:
And you may think way to highly of yourself (just based on your posts in this thread mind you I have no idea who you even are)

That was not at your Riverside sorry if it appeared that way i thought i was replying to the other person
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That's fine, I don't think highly of myself either ;)
 

Ziggy Stardust

Ziggy Stardust
RagingxPenguin said:
Strange when it involves cheating to avoid consequences everyone ignores that.
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Menu logging isn't cheating.
Stigbob said:
My game my choice, you can give your opinion on what I do at the menu screen and I might consider it or ignore it depends on how well you make your argument.
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RagingxPenguin said:
Well. My game. My choice.
With that logic the gankers can keep ganking no?
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So as I said

Ziggy Stardust said:
They have used that logic for years, yeah. Don't like it when the tables are turned it seems.
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Han_Zen

Han_Zen
Ziggy Stardust said:
Menu logging isn't cheating.

So as I said
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Menu logging is fine. I just which they made it a significantly poorer choice than hi-wake and with immediate confirmation.

Hi-wake should be the go to method for escape. FD should ditch the FDS disputator stuff and make wake scan instant.

Any player hunter that files without wake scanner and adequate jump range, does not deserve a single kill.
Any trader that flies without basic defenses and adequate jump range should run a high risk of dying, even when facing NPCs.

FD should always try to implement functions that hurts mini maxed builds and makes compromising necessary. They should also avoid functions(like the current menu log) that can be exploited to justify mini maxing.
 
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