An investigation into Frontier's actions on Combat Logging

[StuartGT]

No, because that quote was referring to both Stages.
I actually read the post, because I thought OP wanted to make a legitimate criticism and provide a solution.

Instead, the post is there to incite drama over a supposed lie.


OP isn't trying to stop Combat Logging. OP is intent on sowing distrust and discontent. OP wants to drive a wedge between the community and the Devs.

It's clear that your opinion regarding the Original Post's content is fixed (blinkered perhaps?) so I'll discontinue on that front.

The question was rhetorical. You weren't supposed to answer that.

But if you want to go down that route, you essential prove my half-hearted point about FDev needing to focus their resources on other concerns and get a much larger percentage back.

If you didn't intend for a response you shouldn't have asked. I've highlighted an appropriate section of your comment: why do you assume that different "concerns" would regain a "much larger percentage back"? Perhaps you could provide a couple of examples, along with how marketing such concern-fixes would gain the attention of the wider gaming media (thereby reaching such ex-CMDRs), as opposed to the universally detested practice of cheating in multiplayer games (and fixing/punishing it)?

 

[Ozram]

Yeah escaping a failure state because it inconveniences you, using lame excuses, muh gankers are the problem. This is what's wrong with these fourms, the game has completely viable ways of escaping combat but oh no we can't use them.

I think you will find that if any members of the SDC are here and have seen me at CGs before, that I have never logged to a one of them. Lost countless ships, cargo, you name it and it has not bothered me one bit. Your lame reply is the only failure here. Perhaps you find it inconvenient to read what someone writes before you form an opinion and respond, but I'd recommend you try it.

Edit: Oddisee and anyone else who likes to use the pointy end of the stick at CGs, you know I love you! Here's the deal. I'm not willing to lose my hired NPC. Sorry, but it's not going to happen. This means most likely I'll have set it to inactive and hired a disposable temp should I be at any of the fun sized CGs where the danger's at. If I do forget and the NPC is active. I'll log, but after that I'll come back in whatever ship I was using (generally the anaconda) and lay it out for the slaughter (minus the active pilot).

 

[StuartGT]

Gimme a break, you have abused the reporting system and wasted the developers time on your own unsactioned which hunt and then drawn conclusions based on a flawed test with a tiny sample that proves nothing, yes some people should get banned for combat logging starting with you and alll your Alts.
Also accusing frontier of lying based on your tiny test is outrageous, is it possible you may be wrong? good luck have a feeling you will be going bye...byes as you have breached not only the game rules but also the forum rules.

"And here we find, a sympathiser of cheaters, defending the actions of their kin". Advocating breaches of the Terms of Service (cheats & exploits) is a forum offence, which I assume you understand also.

 

[xdeath]

The real question we should be asking is if cheating and exploiting is something that is acceptable. This issue may not affect you, but its rather short sighted to not consider that other paying customers play the game in a different way to you. One day there may be an issue that does affect you.. I'll remember your comments at that time.

What is your problem? Seriously?
I simply highlighted the folly of using that argument, because it is relevant.

I never said combat logging wasn't an issue. I never said it wasn't cheating or an exploit.
Cheating is bad. Combat logging is cheating and therefore is bad. I agree.
That is not even why I am here, or what this thread is even about. It is about some perceived dishonesty on the Devs behalf about Combat Logging.
Just because I disagree with the OPs assertion that the Devs were lying does not mean that I think Combat Logging should go unpunished or should not be dealt with.

Stop lashing out at people.

 

[Gunnet]

Emphasis mine.

While you're a relatively new poster in this forum (October onwards), it's considered respectful to consider the feedback provided by the OP and their fellow CMDRs (long standing players & members of the community) truthful, and not disregard their provided statements as "deceptive" or "claims", or formatting of such feedback.

The reports involving alts were made in bad faith, and disingenuous to the point of being deceptive. The parties involved colluded to create something to report.

All they are is claims until and unless Frontier confirms them. I have no reason to trust the word of a griefing group. For all I know, trying to drive a wedge between Frontier and the playerbase could just be another griefing activity. I don't consider that probable, but it is possible.

It's nice that you took the time to check my profile. But you caught me a couple of decades too late to make any impression like that.

 

[Oddisee]

Gimme a break, you have abused the reporting system and wasted the developers time on your own unsactioned which hunt and then drawn conclusions based on a flawed test with a tiny sample that proves nothing, yes some people should get banned for combat logging starting with you and alll your Alts.
Also accusing frontier of lying based on your tiny test is outrageous, is it possible you may be wrong? good luck have a feeling you will be going bye...byes as you have breached not only the game rules but also the forum rules.

Frontier claimed they watched the videos/reviewed the evidence. The videos have ZERO views to this day. None of the alt accounts were punished or received any sort of e-mail/warning.

Explain how SDC is in the wrong and FDev is right? Please try, because you'll only succeed in falling flat on your face.

 

[Oguska]

Gimme a break, you have abused the reporting system and wasted the developers time on your own unsactioned which hunt and then drawn conclusions based on a flawed test with a tiny sample that proves nothing, yes some people should get banned for combat logging starting with you and alll your Alts.
Also accusing frontier of lying based on your tiny test is outrageous, is it possible you may be wrong? good luck have a feeling you will be going bye...byes as you have breached not only the game rules but also the forum rules.

Oh, a shiny pale knight! Please re-think your opinions, they make no sense.

 

[Shar]

"And here we find, a sympathiser of cheaters, defending the actions of their kin". Advocating breaches of the Terms of Service (cheats & exploits) is a forum offence, which I assume you understand also.

The op set the poisonous tone of this thread so stop crying when you see an equally negitive responce. but if you want to go there i have no sympathy for cheaters, so stop lying and making this crap up as you go along.

 

[xdeath]

Frontier claimed they watched the videos/reviewed the evidence. The videos have ZERO views to this day. None of the alt accounts were punished or received any sort of e-mail/warning.

You said it yourself earlier in the thread. Frontier support is being congested with all the complaints from players losing ships to NPCs. They don't even have time to view videos of combat logging.

"And here we find, a sympathiser of cheaters, defending the actions of their kin". Advocating breaches of the Terms of Service (cheats & exploits) is a forum offence, which I assume you understand also.

I'm not sure where you extrapolated that information, but I don't see it.

 

[Shar]

Oh, a shiny pale knight! Please re-think your opinions, they make no sense.

Well of course they don't to you, i'm assuming you use the same logic as the OP................This thread is a joke.

Don't mind me I'm just waiting for the hammer to fall.

 

[StuartGT]

The reports involving alts were made in bad faith, and disingenuous to the point of being deceptive. The parties involved colluded to create something to report.

All they are is claims until and unless Frontier confirms them. I have no reason to trust the word of a griefing group. For all I know, trying to drive a wedge between Frontier and the playerbase could just be another griefing activity. I don't consider that probable, but it is possible.

Consider the problem: combat loggers repeatedly cheat & exploit, with repeat-offenders regularly spotted, yet FDev state they take action against them. How do you prove what happens one way or another? I would say the OP and their friends did it the correct and only way: a sting op.

It's nice that you took the time to check my profile. But you caught me a couple of decades too late to make any impression like that.

My impression is not of importance. As a moderator (of multiple subreddits) I check the public profile of everyone I feel the need to communicate with. It always adds relevant subtext to their communications, and aids me in my responses.

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The op set the poisonous tone of this thread so stop crying when you see an equally negitive responce. but if you want to go there i have no sympathy for cheaters, so stop lying and making this crap up as you go along.

Interesting. Where have I:

• Cried?
• Lied?
• Made crap up?

 

[Shar]

Where,s the shovel. just keep diggin the holes not deep enough yet.

 

[AutoMechancal]

I think you will find that if any members of the SDC are here and have seen me at CGs before, that I have never logged to a one of them. Lost countless ships, cargo, you name it and it has not bothered me one bit. Your lame reply is the only failure here. Perhaps you find it inconvenient to read what someone writes before you form an opinion and respond, but I'd recommend you try it.

Edit: Oddisee and anyone else who likes to use the pointy end of the stick at CGs, you know I love you! Here's the deal. I'm not willing to lose my hired NPC. Sorry, but it's not going to happen. This means most likely I'll have set it to inactive and hired a disposable temp should I be at any of the fun sized CGs where the danger's at. If I do forget and the NPC is active. I'll log, but after that I'll come back in whatever ship I was using (generally the anaconda) and lay it out for the slaughter (minus the active pilot).

Goes on about how you don't log, post about how you will log to avoid an inconvenience. Mate are you even reading what you're posting now, you've gone contradicting yourself in this post alone. Logging to avoid inconvenience is still logging even if you come back later.

 

[Shar]

Consider the problem: combat loggers repeatedly cheat & exploit, with repeat-offenders regularly spotted, yet FDev state they take action against them. How do you prove what happens one way or another? I would say the OP and their friends did it the correct and only way: a sting op.


My impression is not of importance. As a moderator (of multiple subreddits) I check the public profile of everyone I feel the need to communicate with. It always adds relevant subtext to their communications, and aids me in my responses.

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Interesting. Where have I:

• Cried?
• Lied?
• Made crap up?

Is there something wrong with you, you said I,m "a sympathiser of cheaters" lie - made crap up. would you like some help to wipe that egg of your face.

Find one example in my thousands of post where i have any sypathy for cheaters.

 

[Faybs]

Pretty thorough investigation OP, kudos on that.

 

[xdeath]

Consider the problem: combat loggers repeatedly cheat & exploit, with repeat-offenders regularly spotted, yet FDev state they take action against them. How do you prove what happens one way or another? I would say the OP and their friends did it the correct and only way: a sting op.

And many of us disagree.

But lets say OP was right, and FDev did lie. What does this achieve? It still drives a wedge between Frontier and the Community. Its stuff like this that kills games.
People complain that Solo and PG are killing Elite, but it is posts like these that will really truly kill Elite.
I like this game. I don't want to see it go the way of the Dodo because you and OP want to prove that FDev lied.

My impression is not of importance. As a moderator (of multiple subreddits) I check the public profile of everyone I feel the need to communicate with. It always adds relevant subtext to their communications, and aids me in my responses.

That explains why the subreddit is a toxic s**thole, aside from it being on reddit(which is a toxic s**thole).

 

[frostypaw]

Explain how SDC is in the wrong and FDev is right? Please try, because you'll only succeed in falling flat on your face.

Folk like SDC create situation where players feel the need to combat log so they still enjoy the game, they then complain about it continuing the griefing into the support system. FDev ignore it.

Which is more important? The vast majority enjoying the game or a handful being right?

Factually they may be in the wrong, but practically speaking they could well be very right.

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would you like some help to wipe that ege of your face.

was that meant to be ego?

 

[Artemis Zodiac]

crazy thread this lol.....its like someones been killed the way some folks carry on...

combat logging being called cheating and exploiting like its a bad one lol...crikey do any of you realise what real cheating is?

jumping 100 ly or more,no hull or shield damage,one shot kills instant,cant be interdicted,scan anything anywhere...how do you think gold farming is done eh?

.....take off the rosey glasses and come out from under the rocks ladies and gents.


and before anyone says im full of it...google it....engineers aint a patch on what those naughty peeps can do.

 

[Ozram]

Goes on about how you don't log, post about how you will log to avoid an inconvenience. Mate are you even reading what you're posting now, you've gone contradicting yourself in this post alone. Logging to avoid inconvenience is still logging even if you come back later.

Maybe it's your inflexible brain that has trouble comprehending what I'm saying. That's your low level thinking at work here. I'm not contradicting myself in the slightest. What I am saying is that I no longer hold following the rules in the same regard as I did before on account of a recent change. For most circumstances I will remain the same (never have combat logged before), but not when it comes to a mechanic that is inconsistent with the rest of the game and in my opinion, more than a simple inconvenience. I am attached to my crew and come hell or high water I will do what I can to keep them alive (including cheat) until FD sees fit to give them the goddamned escape pod they deserve.

 

[Red Anders]

This this this.


How large do you think FDevs support team is? How many tickets do they get a day?
Back, when Sandro made that post, a little over a month into release, it was probably much more practical to deal with it.
Now, it is different.

And yet he was still happy to confirm six months ago that logging out via the menu in combat is legitimate as far as FD are concerned, specifically contrasting it with what they consider to be combat logging, which certainly infers that combat logging is still deemed to be an exploit.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...-destruction?p=3904116&viewfull=1#post3904116

In fact after the lead designer has said once that a particular action is considered to be an exploit, the only thing that would make me think otherwise would be an explicit statement to the contrary.

So if we're satisfied that it is in fact still an exploit as far as FDev are concerned, that's really debate over. If you announce something as an exploit and state that you will take action against players caught abusing it, there's really not a lot of wiggle room there. 'Sorry we were kind of busy' may be true but it's an explanation, not a justification.

As far as support not being staffed sufficiently to deal with the issue (if in fact that is the case) there's a fairly obvious solution there. Well there are two actually; since the number of support staff required is related to both the number of players and the number of bugs you could come at the issue from either end, but if we assume that FDev already do what they can to avoid releasing bugged content (I know there will be sarcastic replies to that but I'm not playing that game) that leaves more staff as the remaining option. Yes more staff cost money but reputational damage does too and it's hard to counter. For example, anybody think Hello Games' next title is going to be Steam's top seller before release..?