Don't be disingenuous. People are combat logging in Solo. People are combat logging on NPCs. It affects everyone playing the game. It's a widespread problem.
An investigation into Frontier's actions on Combat Logging
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Don't be disingenuous. People are combat logging in Solo. People are combat logging on NPCs. It affects everyone playing the game. It's a widespread problem.
Its a trucking sim, Not mad max trucks with spikes and guns! so I think that is a absurd argument. There is no core game rule saying that trucks can't park up in front of a depot, then go AFK either. That does not make it intended gameplay by any reasonable standard and both will get you kicked by the session administrator. You actually have to pass a peer review of your skills for some servers as its taken that seriously and, you know what, managing to force another truck into a ditch is not one of the tests.
lol, it is in no way over, because hardly anyone here actually defended combat logging. We were pointing how malicious this post was.
This post is an irresponsible whiny attempt by spoiled children to get what they want over everyone else.
Whoever did this "research" has driven a wedge between the community and devs. The damage could be irreversible.
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What's the ultimate solution to all this? Ban PvErs from OPEN?
If the ultimate goal is to drive everyone not associated with PvP out of OPEN, then fair enough.
As a PvEr myself, I see no advantage being in open anyway. Even if FDEV gray out my OPEN option, my experience of ED will change 0%.
In fact, the irony is.. Punishing players for 'cheating' in OPEN by PvPers wanting people to shoot at, are only serving the purpose of emptying OPEN further, chasing even more players out, and making it even more empty than it already is.
3 months time: after FDEV Thor starts thwapping a ban-hammer at PvErs that do go to OPEN, from being in OPEN, i'm betting on threads saying "Why is OPEN so empty".... Then again it may be a conspiracy, that if PvPers revere OPEN so much, and finally chase out folks, that they'll call to FDEV to make OPEN more lucrative with 3x bonuses on all payouts, bounties, mission rewards etc etc to try to get players back into OPEN... very clever! very very clever.
Solo mode was there right from the start and always intended. And solo mode is naturally PvE only. This doesn't mean that ED is "intended as PvE-only", but it means ED is intended to be both experienced as PvE-only as well as PvE-and-PvP. In other words: both are valid. Private groups like Mobius are a workaround for the lack of an official PvE mode, nothing more nothing less.
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Dude, they've tried to lobby for bonuses in open play or maluses in other modes several times in the past already. Usually FD just ignored it, but at some point they even replied explicitly (paraphrasing) "all modes are equally valid and we don't intend to change that".
Quite the contrary. Whoever does research like this of a game will have played for a while, seen its issues and want it fixed. The fact is though that they were right, as Zac confirmed. Attacking OP for it being a malicious post is also irrelevant, gaining facts to support their hypothesis would be difficult given they don't have internal data of how tickets have been handled. Hence why they tried their best to do so with alt accounts. It's the community's job to judge the facts given and form their opinion from that. Always be sceptical
Indeed. No issues with their own exploits of course.
I'm sure no PvP players form player groups to support each other. No sir, that seems unimaginable. C'mon.
Doing it to a user's computer is quite different to doing it to a major internet server.
Correctly prioritised down there at the end of the list where it should be. First let's stop all the players who quit right at the start because the pvp bunnies can't play with other people.
The thread has virtually been nothing but a torrential downpour of ''doesn't affect me so i don't care lol'' or ''i'd happily abuse exploits stated to be such by FD just to get at some griefers, ignoring every other damaging aspect of combat logging''
Despite the best efforts of many people here, the rules and the written terms will be victorious in the end.
You know what you could do instead of all this unnecessary banning? Hold on to your pants for this one.
Stop combat logging.
Chances are that you're flying something with utility slots and a couple of internal compartments to spare, don't waste your time, put shield boosters and grade A shields there, you'll find your survivability climbing fast.
Next off, put 4 pips to SYS, this will vastly increase your shield strength and give you even further resilience.
And finally, high-wake instead of low-wake, this avoids the masslock factor and allows a guaranteed 15 second escape, in addition, if possible, chaff to confuse gimbal weapons.
Congratulations, you are now independent from the addiction to your windows task manager, you are on the way to becoming a contributing and useful member of the Elite community.
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Repped for the truth of it.
Two sides of the player base will never see eye to eye. It's pointless and futile.
I have a REALLY simple fix.
If a player is not flagged as wanted.. then allow the innocent party make an insurance claim against the attacker if they get blown up. The attacker immediately gets an insurance splash screen where they can opt to pay the full cost of loss to the victim (including cost of cargo & modules etc).. Present a screen to sell assets to cover the costs, or declare bankruptcy, start in a sidewinder with an account wide DEBT that needs to be paid after all assets were sold off.
Simple yet genius.
But I know PvPers will hate this because they say it'll ruin their game. But then I'd say, don't attack innocent people if you don't want a 50m cr insurance claim against you. So balance returns.
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For all the salt you spilled in this thread, Zac confirmed that we were right and that nothing was being done. It was an "oversight", and support was not following policy.
They don't care about this game, they'll just move onto another as they moved onto Elite. It would be naive and foolish to think otherwise.
No he said almost exactly the opposite. He said they didn't investigate those ones in error but that they DO take it seriously and do investigate.
If you all want to be taken seriously you need to stop twisting other's words - especially official announcements - to try and put yourself in the right and as some kind of saviours of the game. If that kind of twisting is Reddit standards it only confirms why I avoid the place and why it gets it's reputation.
when is the question... when are they going to find something else and let us get on with playing and enjoying the game
Yup, +1 for this!
I for one am getting bored of this game as FDev's continually spam the game with half-baked features and ignore the bugs that not only currently exist, but have then been created by these features - I've told my kids "Thanks for the offer to buy me Horizons for my XMas present, but I'd rather than nothing this year if that's my only option"
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What's the difference? If the official policy is to investigate and ban but you never actually do it, is it really an official policy? PvPers all know that FDev have never done anything about combat logging. Over the course of this, we submitted probably 30 reports across nearly 3 months. On that kind of timeline, if none of them were investigated, that's their official, if unstated, policy.
They wouldn't support it if they didn't believe in it. I can garantee that most players want the game to be better, although most for their own playstyle. But given the reddit moderator I am of the subreddit I do have quite the grasp of the subreddit and its users, it all depends on who sees the thread, there can be one thread where no one but PvPers have seen, other times where both have seen and there's a discussion of the issue at hand. Having discussions are good, people will have different opinions. But reddit has the benefit of using its voting to bring up discussion and downvote the bad comments, something forums like this one doesn't have
Sure, servers could spot it more easily and report it. But the punishment is still there for attacking a user's computer. Seriously, if someone participates in a DDoS with their own computer, they're most certainly spotted and will get caught
Why should it be at the bottom of the list? Combat logging is a really widespread issue, it is not only pirates, griefers or general PvPers who encounter it. If you are in a conflict zone for instance, attacking enemy aligned player, there's quite a large chance they will log. Same goes if someone attacks you, and you are winning the fight. Giving a way out for people through an exploit should be fixed right away, given that there are no other exploits or cheats that could be solved by a revamp of crime & punishment it should be at the very top. If you want a trader to have a chance of escaping, it should be a priority to fix that part of the system first.
With the caveat 'in these cases', now, I am unsure if that does mean all cases but it does not equate automatically to you guys, without question, being 100% 'right'.
SDC, when are you guys going to learn that there is more than one way to skin a cat, things have been achieved on these forums and in game that did not involve calling people liars and threatening to run to the media. Things have been achieved on these boards and in game that did not involve disrupting game play and killing everything that moves 'to prove a point'. Things have been achieved on these boards and in game without referring to the rest of the playerbase as 'dumb', 'carebears', 'forum dads' and much worse and more besides on reddit.
You guys actually have some valid gripes and causes, no doubt about it, but your methods of delivery and obtaining results throws huge plumes of smoke about that leave a bad taste in a lot of peoples mouths. Your issues could get discussed much more civilly but for some strange reason you decide to smear it all in insults and disdain for your fellow players.
I will not hold my breath for change though.
The heat cancer was vanquished through destructive action, SDC has so far proven effective at making a problem stand out, making it visible, and finally, cutting it off.
The problem with supporting FD at every turn like many of you do here is that whenever something goes wrong, you'll ride along with it until the flaws are a thousandfold, SDC's intolerance to bad decisionmaking and systems is a cleansing fire in comparison.
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at the end of the day this is a game only, a fantasy for us all to enjoy so in the end its all pretend and nobody actually loses any thing at all
ITS NOT REAL
ITS NOT REAL