Analyzing required animals by Taxonomical group

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Discussion #10: Bovines, Lemuriformes, Gruiformes, Salamanders

What we have:

Bovines:
  1. African buffalo
  2. American bison
  3. Wild water buffalo
Lemuriformes (lemurs, lorises and galagos):
  1. Red ruffed lemur
  2. Ring tailed lemur
  3. Black-and-white ruffed lemur

Gruiformes (Cranes and rails):
  1. Red crowned crane
Salamanders:
  1. Axolotl
  2. Fire Salamander
  3. Danube Crested Newt

Explain what you think is still needed from the aforementioned groups, and give your reasoning as to why. Take into account that slots in the roster are not unlimited, so try to keep the discussion realistic.
Bovines:
I think the roster is set with the three bovines we have, to be honest. Ankole-watusi cattle have become pretty popular here in the U.S., and guar and domestic yak would be cool additions.
Lemuriformes:
I am all for more lemurs! Coquerl's sifaka is at the top of my list, as I think we need a sifaka to add some variety. Brown lemurs, aye-ayes, and blue-eyed black lemurs are also valid candidates for even a 5th species.

Gruiformes:
I consider the gray-crowned crane absolutely essential! Other than that, there aren't any other species I think the roster, as this group, seems rather niche.
Salamanders:
I think we have enough salamanders, to be honest, but a think, if we were to get another, the hellbender, is an option.
 
Bovines:
I don't think there's anything essential, but my preferred picks would be two domestic cattle breeds--the Highland as a cold-tolerant breed with a lot of popularity in petting zoos, and the Ankole Watusi as an exotic African breed often seen as a placeholder species in African plains, with absolutely massive horns to boot. Beyond that, a tropical Asian species like the gaur or banteng could also be neat.

Lemuriformes:
Again, I don't regard any lemurs as essential, but there are two that would be very nice to have in the game--the Coquerel's sifaka as a unique and iconic species with a small but growing captive presence, and for something more plain but very common in captivity (and representing the true lemurs) the mongoose lemur.

Gruiformes:

Exactly one essential species--the grey crowned crane as a beautiful and very common zoo species. Two cranes would be acceptable, but for a third species I'm very fond of the Demoiselle crane, which is both beautiful and has a wide range covering much of Afro-Eurasia. For non-crane Gruiformes I'd like the grey-winged trumpeter as a candidate for tropical South America.

Salamanders:
While I would have loved to see the hellbender (probably in place of the Danube crested newt), three is enough, and if we get more exhibit box animals I think lizards and snakes would take priority.
 
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Bovids - European Bison, Domestic Yak, Scottish Highland Cattle and Gaur for me. I LOVE bovids, specifically cold climate bovids, which explains some of my choices! The European Bison is such a conservation staple as well as great European representation, the Yak and Highland would bring us much needed domestic species, and the Gaur some Indian representation. What more can I say?

Lemuriformes - Aye Aye, and also a species of Bushbaby and a species of Loris. Nocturnal houses feel so incomplete without these lemuriformes, so I’d love to see at least two out of these three implemented. I think all three would be really interesting and unique additions!

Gruiformes - I think the Grey Crowned Crane is the last essential gruiforme. A great addition to Savannah habitats, as well as having a totally unique look.

Salamanders
The only salamander I’d be interested in at this point is either the Chinese Giant or Japanese Giant. Either one is great, but definitely not both. Whichever one we get would be distinct enough from the current salamanders in-game, and would give us much needed Asian Exhibit representation. We had such a boom of amphibians recently, but this one would definitely round out what we have.
 
I consider them all essential:

Bovines:
  1. Anoa - unique and the smallest of bovines, definitely my personal favorite and if I would be forced to choose the the last bovine they would be my most essential pick.
  2. Gaur - impressive and largest of bovines plus they would nicely complement Indian roster
  3. Banteng - sex dimorphism, beauty and uniqueness, great Islands representation
  4. Exception: Forrest buffalo - I don’t consider them essential but they are beautifully colored, would be easy to make and would be a great filler animal.
  5. Exception: Wisent - essential for European roster but not essential for me, great example of Europe representation and amazing conservation story.
Lemuriformes (lemurs, lorises and galagos):
  1. Sifaka - because they move totally different than other lemurs
  2. Any large Loris or even better African Potto - both are amazing and nocturnal primates
Gruiformes (Cranes and rails):
  1. Grey crowned crane - consider how unique and important that are I think they should have been included in base game.
  2. Paradise crane - that is just personal choice because I consider them amazingly beautiful
  3. grey-winged trumpeter - because It’s from SA and I have saw them many times. Very fun to Watch.
Salamanders:
  1. Chinese or Japanese Giant salamander as a exibit animal because they nearly ever move in their exibits.
 
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May I ask why so many seem to go with gaur over banteng?

The gaur is impressive, and to many probably more of a wow experience in real life.

But in PZ, it just going to feel like another black-greyish buffalo.

The banteng got red/orange colored cows, which will make it appear more unique. I imagine the "average player" would see more value in that.
 
May I ask why so many seem to go with gaur over banteng?

The gaur is impressive, and to many probably more of a wow experience in real life.

But in PZ, it just going to feel like another black-greyish buffalo.

The banteng got red/orange colored cows, which will make it appear more unique. I imagine the "average player" would see more value in that.
Mostly the size and Indian representation not I must say Bantengs are my favorites too and I love the sex dimorphism. Saw them last year in Chester zoo and was astounded with their beauty. Will add them too.

I’m just the ungulates person - there is not such thing as enough of them to me. Javan bantengs would be great for Islands pack but I’d still prefer the anoa over them.
 
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Paradise crane - looks nothing like any other crane
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Potto - my favorite from central Africa
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May I ask why so many seem to go with gaur over banteng?

The gaur is impressive, and to many probably more of a wow experience in real life.

But in PZ, it just going to feel like another black-greyish buffalo.

The banteng got red/orange colored cows, which will make it appear more unique. I imagine the "average player" would see more value in that.
While id also prefer the banteng, i understand the draw of the bigger animal.
But hey id also was really feeling to tell a funfact about why all these exotic bovines are pretty rare in most zoos.
Long story short: They for a long time have lost on a purly logistical level by being to expensive with their biggest "flaw" being that they were outcompeted by a way more popular type of animals that need roughly the same amount of space and keeping costs, the rhinos.
Only in recent years have zoos started to clear out space to keep them, with a strong focus on both the java banteng and the indian gaur in the EAZA.
So while i wouldnt mind seeing both as asia is lacking in ungulates and me being a sucker for bovines, this also is the reason why i dont feel they are anywhere near to essential, as both the waterbuffalo and indian rhino strongly overlap with their actual gameplay niches, while seperating themself from each other with the waterbuallos water focus. Besides taking the wild version over domestic, from a gameplay level the waterbuffalo was by far the best choice here and while the other would be neat, they would rethread the same territory while other asian ungulates like the black buck, nilgai and takin all would fill very different niches that so far arnt coverd in the game ergo being imo much better inclusions for an asian ungulate choice. Really a shame we didnt get a black buck instead of the blue wilderbeast in the grasslands pack, that propaply would have made that pack as close to perfect as possible
 
I don't have much to add except:

- when it comes to lemuriformes we really need other species like a loris, a galago or a Potto. Other lemurs are Nice but less important I think.

- we need a Grey (or black) crowned crane! And I wouldn't mind even more cranes but don't really have a preference when it comes to the other species.
 
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Discussion #10: Bovines, Lemuriformes, Gruiformes, Salamanders

What we have:

Bovines:
  1. African buffalo
  2. American bison
  3. Wild water buffalo
Lemuriformes (lemurs, lorises and galagos):
  1. Red ruffed lemur
  2. Ring tailed lemur
  3. Black-and-white ruffed lemur

Gruiformes (Cranes and rails):
  1. Red crowned crane
Salamanders:
  1. Axolotl
  2. Fire Salamander
  3. Danube Crested Newt

Explain what you think is still needed from the aforementioned groups, and give your reasoning as to why. Take into account that slots in the roster are not unlimited, so try to keep the discussion realistic.
Bovines:
I don't think we really need any more bovines, but I think we have space for at least one or two more members. Domestic cattle are gaining traction recently, with the Highland Cattle being the most popular it seems, and I wouldn't it. I personally would want either the Texas Longhorn or the Ankole-Watusi due to their impressive horns. In terms of wild species, the Lowland Anoa adds a smaller member of the family, but while it's popular on the forums, I personally don't really care for it (wouldn't be mad at it's inclusion, just not interesting to me because of the water buffalo). I'd like to advocate for the Gaur, the largest wild cattle species, and the Wisent, which finishes of the bison with a forest dwelling European species and another animal with a long conservation history.

Lemuriformes:
Same thing as I said with the bovines, we don't need more lemurs, but a few more wouldn't hurt. However, any more lemurs would need to be truly unique to stand out and be worth it imo. Luckily, the two most popular are just that. The Coquerel's Sifaka (or any sifaka tbh) and it's unique form of locomotion would allow for some interesting exhibit builds, and the Aye-Aye is literally just a lil freak and should get in purely on that merit alone. Of course, lemuriformes also includes all the other weirdo non-monkey and non-ape primates (aside frome tarsiers). Of the remaining groups, I'm only really interested in a species of Slow Loris, only if we get a sloth as well. Not high priority, but they're interesting enough that I think they'd make good additions to the game (an Asian nocturnal house would be sweet).

Gruiformes:
Not super well-versed on this group, so I was surprised that I have more than one species I wanna mention. The striking Grey Crowned Crane would add to the surprisingly few African birds in the roster whilst standing out entirely from the Red-Crowned Crane so there'd be extremely limited overlap. I also wish to bring up the Guam Rail, due to it's recent conservation success story, going from Extinct in the Wild to Critically Endangered thanks to captive breeding. Neither species would be regarded as high priority in my eyes, but once again would be really neat to have.

Salamanders:
I don't think any more salamanders are necessary, purely due to already having 3 and more focus needs to be put on the currently lacking lizards. That being said, I wouldn't pass at the opportunity to have a giant salamander species. Hellbender is probably the most realistic given it's size, but either the Japanese or Chinese Giants would be much better picks imo (though I wouldn't complain about any of the 3). Olms have also recently become an option again due to their return to captivity. It may only be one zoo, but they're too unique a species for us to pass up if we had more spots in the roster left. I also wanna bring up the Iberian Ribbed Newt, but having two European salamander species already kinda dampens its chances (yes, the Olm is also European, but it's far more distinct than the newt).
 
Bovines
Another Asian one is essential. Probably either gaur or Yak. Wisent would be nice but not needed. Same with Highland Cattle.

Lemur
Sifaka wouls be cool but nowhere near necessary.

Gruiformes
Don't really want any more crane. I'm nor sure if they're apart of this group or their own one but I would like a stork and spoonbill. They look similar but could someone clarify for me.

Salamanders
I want one of the giant variety in a habitat. That would be so awesome to get as Habitat animals. They're not essential but would be so cool. Besides that we've kinds covered all their other main bases.
 
Ok I am late again and honestly I think I keep mentioning away too much stuff so I am going to try and not this time.

BOVINES:

Africa, Asia, North America... All have gotten a big bovine but Europe is still missing there's. We absolutely need the European Bison to fill in the giant ungulate space in Europe, every other continent has its largest mammal at this point so it only seems right. Some people might say it is too similar to the American bison but they don't realise how important this species really is for Europe.
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I go back and forth on whether the gaur is essential, it is the biggest of the bovines and truly an impressive beast but some could say it is redundant... I'm not sure.

LEMURIFORMES:

We have three species of Lemurs, more is always cool but I don't think it's needed. What is needed however are the other primitive primates. I think that both a slow loris and a Galago are needed so we can get some more variety in primates as well as nocturnal species.

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GRUIFORMES:

So we currently have one crane, I think another is definitely warranted and everyone seems to be in the same boat here that it should be the Grey-Crowned crane. This species is unique looking and a true staple of African savanna and wetland exhibits so it makes more than enough sense as to why it should be included!
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The Gruiformes also contains the rails. I think we should definitely get at least one species of rail in the game as they are very versatile small ground-dwelling birds. As for which species? Personally I am not too bothered but some examples would be the common moorhen or Eurasian coot that could also work as wild bird stand-ins for temperate Eurasian zoos... Or if we want to be more exotic the purple or grey-headed swamphen could be ideal. Beyond rails, I also think we should get the grey-winged trumpeter as this species would work wonders to add more life into tropical or South American areas.
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SALAMANDERS:

It is interesting how we went from no salamanders in the base game to getting our first one two years into the games lifespan then followed up with two more before exhibit boxes seemingly got the boot. The salamander lineup in PZ currently is honestly pretty good but there is one glaring omission and that is of course a giant salamander. Personally, I would much rather it be the Chinese species due to its presence in Europe and great size. If we get that, salamanders will be fully complete in my eyes.
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Discussion #11: Small cats, xenarthrans, Geckos, bugs

What we have:

Small cats:
  1. Cheetah
  2. Clouded leopard
  3. Cougar
  4. Eurasian lynx
  5. Caracal

Xenarthrans (anteaters, sloths, armadillos):
  1. Giant anteater
  2. Nine banded armadillo
Geckos:
None

Bugs:
  1. Goliath Beetle
  2. Sacred Scarab Beetle
  3. Titan Beetle
  4. Giant burrowing Cockroach
  5. Giant Malayan leaf insect
  6. Cloudless Sulphur
  7. European Peacock
  8. Menelaus Blue Morpho
  9. Monarch
  10. Old World Swallowtail

Explain what you think is still needed from the aforementioned groups, and give your reasoning as to why. Take into account that slots in the roster are not unlimited, so try to keep the discussion realistic.
 
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