Red tape. Working as designed. Any complaints should be submitted in triplicate and signed by relevant works supervisor for station repair. Thank you for your understanding.
Another C&P Rant
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Red tape. Working as designed. Any complaints should be submitted in triplicate and signed by relevant works supervisor for station repair. Thank you for your understanding.
Try changing ship (if a shipyard is close) and then pay your fine off! I don't know if if will work but I thought it was the whole point hotship C&P.
FDev had always had a blind spot of not knowing the difference between fines and bounties.
FDev had always had a blind spot of not knowing the difference between fines and bounties.
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I don't think that'll work, you have to be in the offending ship to pay off any fines/bounties (at least in my experience). If you're in another ship the fines don't appear in the authority contact menu.
... At least in that case you can go about your day I suppose. It will probably be easier getting a law degree in the real world than getting to the bottom of beyond C&P. Oh well good luck!
Come on Stigbob.
The game clearly allows you to pay fines at the issuing stations in 99% of all cases. If you get a fine while docking, you simply dock and pay the fines and voilà, station services are available again. Sure, Old Duck is to blame for getting the fine. He should pay for it (yes, all 50 credits!). But there is seriously something wrong when he can't pay the fine for no reason and that's something the game is to blame for.
On topic:
It's probably safer to let support clear the fine and wait for FDEV to fix their game rather than trying to blow yourself up.
And that really solves the underlying problem or is it just a "then don't do it"-argument?
Can't or won't ?.
He'll have zero notoriety so it's not a hard one to sort out, Aumundsen terminal lacks contacts so it'll have to be done remotely at another stations IF. It's complicated by the fact he's in the middle of nowhere so it's also the worst place to get sloppy with trigger discipline. When you are in a one horse town it's best not to annoy the few locals you rely on.
To get to the middle of nowhere you need a jump capable ship, so it's easily solvable as emergent gameplay.
Or blame the game and waste supports time whilst moaning.
"hurr durr watch your fire then" and "hurrr just don't speed" are not answers to "getting locked out of the station completely and having to travel thousands of ly to clear your record is a completely disproportionate punishment for an accidental NFZ violation or speeding fine"
They may be workarounds to let you avoid being subjected to said disproportionate punishment, but they don't address the point that it is disproportionate.
Like if there's a pothole on the road that'll shatter your suspension if you hit it, everyone who lives on the street knows about it avoids it sure, but that doesn't make the pothole okay nor does the fact that people who know about it can drive around it mean that the council should just ignore it instead of fixing it.
They may be workarounds to let you avoid being subjected to said disproportionate punishment, but they don't address the point that it is disproportionate.
Like if there's a pothole on the road that'll shatter your suspension if you hit it, everyone who lives on the street knows about it avoids it sure, but that doesn't make the pothole okay nor does the fact that people who know about it can drive around it mean that the council should just ignore it instead of fixing it.
UPDATE - Thankfully Frontier's support team granted my request and removed the fine 
They also asked me to contact QA (file a bug report), which means at least the fellow who handled my support ticket believes this is a bug / unintended gameplay.
Personally I think fines should be treated different than bounties in regards to station services. If I am wanted dead or alive (bounty), then it makes sense to use a disguise (anon protocols) to avoid arrest, but a fine shouldn't affect me in this way. Here in America, you can have a glove box full of parking tickets and still carry on as normal. However, if you don't pay those parking tickets by the due date, then your life starts becoming much more complicated. Didn't the old system work this way? Fail to pay a fine and it matured to a bounty after time? I can't clearly remember. Anyway, the anon protocols are "immersion breaking" for a 50 credit fine for what is the ED equivalent of jaywalking.
They also asked me to contact QA (file a bug report), which means at least the fellow who handled my support ticket believes this is a bug / unintended gameplay.Personally I think fines should be treated different than bounties in regards to station services. If I am wanted dead or alive (bounty), then it makes sense to use a disguise (anon protocols) to avoid arrest, but a fine shouldn't affect me in this way. Here in America, you can have a glove box full of parking tickets and still carry on as normal. However, if you don't pay those parking tickets by the due date, then your life starts becoming much more complicated. Didn't the old system work this way? Fail to pay a fine and it matured to a bounty after time? I can't clearly remember. Anyway, the anon protocols are "immersion breaking" for a 50 credit fine for what is the ED equivalent of jaywalking.
This only came about due to a very specific set of hard to replicate circumstances, none of the issues are major in themselves it's just a fail cascade of unintended consequences. If it happened to me I'd be laughing and just setting course for somewhere else, pay the fine whenever at an IF.
The solution to bugs is to report them, not to just laugh when you encounter them and chide others for daring to report them themselves.
It's not really a bug though is it, it's just an inconvenient place to get careless.
Well the StigBOT is good for one thing in this forum - everyone who disagrees with him gets free rep. You get rep, and you get rep, everybody gets +REP!!!
That said, if y'all would please stop quoting him, it would make my ignore filter much more effective
(I really wish I could add myself to his ignore list....)
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Well the StigBOT is good for one thing in this forum - everyone who disagrees with him gets free rep. You get rep, and you get rep, everybody gets +REP!!!
That said, if y'all would please stop quoting him, it would make my ignore filter much more effective
(I really wish I could add myself to other users' ignore lists....)
Lol, is that 5 or 6 times you've put me on ignore now. I lose track.
I'm sure you'll take me off again in due course to accuse me of something bonkers, like every other time.
If nobody is present to claim the fines, who issues the fines? And why? It doesn't make sense, both from a common sense and current game mechanics point of view. Luckily Frontier support agrees with that.
Seems a bit like getting your combat rank reset due to AI upgrades to me, I'm OK with actions having consequences it makes for better games.
But then I'm positive about it.
UPDATE - Thankfully Frontier's support team granted my request and removed the fine
Personally I think fines should be treated different than bounties in regards to station services. If I am wanted dead or alive (bounty), then it makes sense to use a disguise (anon protocols) to avoid arrest, but a fine shouldn't affect me in this way. Here in America, you can have a glove box full of parking tickets and still carry on as normal. However, if you don't pay those parking tickets by the due date, then your life starts becoming much more complicated. Didn't the old system work this way? Fail to pay a fine and it matured to a bounty after time? I can't clearly remember. Anyway, the anon protocols are "immersion breaking" for a 50 credit fine for what is the ED equivalent of jaywalking.
See, I suggested you file a bug report ages ago in this thread
It's an "outlier situation" where the local authority issues a fine but doesn't have a Contacts facility available at the local station. That is unlikely to be intended and QA need to pass that through the system to get fixed.
That said, the relatively minor accidental bounties that we incur so easily are a real pain in this game, that should be thought through ..... a fine instead would be a good idea (won't help in your case here).
It's nothing like that. Fines aren't in the game to force you to fly 4k ly home to the bubble but to enforce some simple station etiquette. I hope you agree with me that it's way more punishing (like, 5 million times more punishing) to make a few hundred jumps and pay a small fine rather than just paying a small fine directly, like it's normally done, without jumping a few hundred times first. There is a huge discrepancy and obviously the C&P system was never designed to make people do that just because they had a little accident (where nobody got hurt) in the NFZ. It's really just common sense. Frontier didn't design the fines system to do that, it's just an oversight.
I was serious when I said it would make me laugh, I'm genuinely OK with this stuff. It's like a daft quest from the madgod so to me it would genuinely be emergent content and funny and lucrative as I'd explore along the way.
It probably helps that I like the game in the first place.
I'm a bit paranoid now operating out here in deep space, because it is so easy to get a fine or a bounty by accident. For example, I love driving around the outpost in my SRV, but it's easy to "loiter on a pad" even though the SRV is nowhere near the actual landing pad. I can't remember - is that a fine or a bounty? I used to drive right up to the pad in the SRV and watch NPCs come and go, I found it relaxing, like watching planes at the airport. Somewhere along the way the "exclusion zone" for pads was extended, and if you accidentally cross that line and get hung up and can't get your SRV out in time.....
Even the firing within the NFZ is a mistake that's easily made, especially on a console controller where just one slip of the finger can fire the gun. With ships, you have to deploy hardpoints to fire, but SRVs automatically deploy the turret, and I know of no way to turn it off. I have in the past emptied the weapons capacitor while outside the NFZ in order to prevent misfires once inside, but that's a heck of a hoop to jump through.
So yeah, I'll be walking on pins and needles out here for now on (I doubt support will bail me out again). And I thought exploring in a shieldless ship was going to be the challenge!