Anyone else thinking of asking for a refund?

After a 1000 hours plus it would seem a bit churlish. Do you ask for a refund on your bread if one ingredient is changed? Swap brands if you must but don't cry me a river.
 
GC2 is probably one of my alltime 4x faves and have had endless fun with it for years, but Stellaris is insanely deep as all Paradox games, and makes the depth and breadth of GC2 look like a mobile app (only by comparison). It's as much complex sociopolitical experimentation as galactic conquering.

I honestly prefer GalCiv 2 over Stellaris because it isn't so overly complex! GC2 is my favorite space 4X of all time. I love building custom ships in it, and the AI is in my opinion the best AI in any 4X game ever made.

I've not bought GC3 yet though. I will someday.


As for refunding Elite, nah. I've more than gotten my money's worth from it. Now, whether or not I put any more money into ED entirely depends on what the Q4 exploration improvements end up being. I have a list of store items I'm waiting to buy until I know what those Q4 changes are.
 
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After a 1000 hours plus it would seem a bit churlish. Do you ask for a refund on your bread if one ingredient is changed? Swap brands if you must but don't cry me a river.

Where do you buy bread that lasts a thousand hours and changes the ingredients put into it at the time of sale?

How about if you bought a car with a V-6 engine and drove it for 2 years and then one day the mfgr knocked on your door and said that you had to give up the V-6 engine you bought and they would replace it with a 4cyl with half the horsepower?

I suppose you'd be fine with that?

Logic needs to be taught in grade school

Any buyer agrees to the terms of sale at the time of purchase. Just because X hours have passed and some think that fulfills the original terms accepted, doesn't make it so. FD defined the original terms of sale - not the buyer - the buyer accepted, in good faith, what FD offered. Changing the agreement after the sale is easily unethical at best and possibly even illegal depending on where you live. Although there may not be enough of a financial incentive to trigger interest in a class action suit, that doesn't disqualify it on the merits. I'm not familiar with EU law sufficiently to comment, but in the US. if there was a large enough base to make it profitable, there would be law firms willing to try this on the merits if this change were to take place.

And I've been party to enough US class action suits to know what I'm talking about. TY

I find the fact that FD is openly polarizing it's own player base on this topic quite disgusting.
 
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And I've been party to enough US class action suits to know what I'm talking about. TY
And then you might be aware of hypocrisy of such arguments - refund "threatments" only rises up when there is a change that you don't like. Imagine the case of "dealer knocking your door and replace your car's seats to better ones" for free, and I guess you'll not demand any refunds :D All of those "threats" of "refund after I played 800 hours and now i'm because I don't like the proposal" are pure racket attempts.
 
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I'm not familiar with EU law sufficiently to comment, but in the US. if there was a large enough base to make it profitable, there would be law firms willing to try this on the merits if this change were to take place.

And I've been party to enough US class action suits to know what I'm talking about. TY

I find the fact that FD is openly polarizing it's own player base on this topic quite disgusting.


This just reads off like a sad cry for attention, all this because a completely optional competitive mode (and only that mode) now MIGHT require venturing into multiplayer.
 
I thought the Engineers was as low as it was possible to go in bad game design, but here FD is thinking about changing the basic nature of the game after we bought it.
Not that i really care whether pp is open only or not, but just on the principle that FD shouldnt be rewarded for changing the basic nature of the product from what was advertised and sold, I am thiniking about asking for a refund. This sets a precedent i dont want to see play out.
A vendor removing basic features from a product after its sold and the money is in the vendors pocket seems unethical, maybe fradulent, and possibly illegal.
Out of curiosity, how many hours do you have in game?
 
This just reads off like a sad cry for attention, all this because a completely optional competitive mode (and only that mode) now MIGHT require venturing into multiplayer.

That could be a cogent and perhaps relevant observation if it weren't for the obvious mistake of assuming facts not in evidence. I play in Open all the time, with the occasional exception of server issues that make solo the only way can finish a mission or other process.

It's quite obvious that some participant either fail to comprehend the arguments I've put forth or are incapable of addressing the issues raised directly.

I shall therefore withdraw from this thread and let others win the internet for today.

Enjoy
 
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So weird how people think they're owed a refund for something they bought years ago and have used for hundreds of hours. Like, I think you at least got your $60 worth dude.
 
FD shouldnt be rewarded for changing the basic nature of the product from what was advertised and sold
ALLIANCE CHIEFTAIN, GUARDIAN MODULES, WING MISSIONS WEREN'T EITHER ON A KICKSTARTER/ORIGINAL GAME. HOW DARE THEM TO CHANGE/IMPROVE THE PRODUCT. REFUND
 
Indeed! This charade has gone on for long enough, and the devs should be ashamed of themselves for leading on the community for as long as they have. The recent news have definitely pushed me over the edge, and I'm seriously considering asking for a refund myself. They'll take my LTI from my cold, dead... wait, hold on. What forum is this?

:p
 
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So weird how people think they're owed a refund for something they bought years ago and have used for hundreds of hours. Like, I think you at least got your $60 worth dude.

Well, it's kind of relative – don't get me wrong though, I see what you're saying. For me at least, I've paid several times over that for future content that isn't here yet. That was my choice and risk to make, so we'll see and all that. I'm not holding my breath. I'd rather enjoy the game for what it has to offer, such as it is, but I'll let my opinion be known as I have a vested interest beyond the monies down. I want the game to be the best that it can viably be, which is, of course, inherently subjective. No need to debate the point. "You and I, we've been through that, and this is not our fate."

I'm just saying, we all have somewhat different outlooks from each other here. No need to get too worked up about the way someone else approach things and expects from them. I mean, even assuming the worst, some people are incompetent and full of crap. So what? Let's try and move beyond that instead of just falling back to the same old disparages of each other.
 
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No, but I am asking for the Q4 release to live up to half my expectations, so I can resume throwing money at FD. :)
 
I don't think the fuss is over the feature, I imagine some are ticked off coz they feel lied to. But forget that lets all laugh at the carebears tears eh?
 
The level of silly emotional outbursts about this is just hilarious.

Pedantic humor of the elite, double entendre intended.

The thing is though, looking down from my crystalline throne... it gets kind of lonely at the top. I guess I only have myself to blame.

I don't think the fuss is over the feature, I imagine some are ticked off coz they feel lied to. But forget that lets all laugh at the carebears tears eh?

Bro... when you realize they're all care-bears...
 
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