Are FDev still optimizing Odyssey? Or is this it?

Morbad

Morbad
I'd loan Ralph a better video card to be returned to me when he dies (given his health issues, he's probably not long for this world...based on his posts in that one OT thread, I give him 2d20+3 months), but my 6900 XT crapped the bed on me around the same time I was selling off some older parts, so I'm already short on spares.
 

Ralph Vargr

Ralph Vargr
CMDR Sheehy said:
Well, you could buy a ship in Star Citizen for the cost of a decent gaming rig... 🤪

My last before this one was bought over six months. Piece. By. Piece. One month the CPU. One month the GPU. Next the Power Supply. Next the Case. Next the cooling system... so we've all been there. During that time I had to make do with an integrated intel graphics card and turning all the setting down to low just to keep playing. Not once did I blame the game. Just dealt with it. Guess we're from different generations.
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I'm from prior to 1960, and I had to solder vacuum tubes...ahem "thermionic valves" :)
 

Ralph Vargr

Ralph Vargr
Old Duck said:
He's just giving you the facts. I wouldn't take it personally (believe me, if Bab was aiming to put you down, you'd know it).
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Duck, it's literally a choice between meds, food, and utility payments for me. Yeah, I've been left behind. But the point still stands: Odyssey is the only thing I can't play well with my decrepit rig.

Note: I'm literally scraping pennies off my accounts to save.
 

Ralph Vargr

Ralph Vargr
Morbad said:
I'd loan Ralph a better video card to be returned to me when he dies (given his health issues, he's probably not long for this world...based on his posts in that one OT thread, I give him 2d20+3 months), but my 6900 XT crapped the bed on me around the same time I was selling off some older parts, so I'm already short on spares.
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You're being generous giving me that long. A buddy of mine just got a terminal brain cancer diagnosis, and six months.
 

CMDR Sheehy

CMDR Sheehy
Ralph Vargr said:
Duck, it's literally a choice between meds, food, and utility payments for me. Yeah, I've been left behind. But the point still stands: Odyssey is the only thing I can't play well with my decrepit rig.

Note: I'm literally scraping pennies off my accounts to save.
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Sorry to hear that.
 

CMDR M Kozak

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A quick status.
RTX 2070
R5 2600x
16gb ddr4

Note the GPU/CPU usage vs frametimes.

Edit: I cap the frames at 60 for normal play, as that use to help keep the system cool. But it struggles to get to atleast that near settlements.
 

Morbad

Morbad
CMDR M Kozak said:
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A quick status.
RTX 2070
R5 2600x
16gb ddr4

Note the GPU/CPU usage vs frametimes.

Edit: I cap the frames at 60 for normal play, as that use to help keep the system cool. But it struggles to get to atleast that near settlements.
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Aggregate CPU utilization doesn't say much of anything; the game is limited by the main game loop and render threads, which will max out two, maybe three, logical cores.

To see the clear CPU bottleneck directly, you'd need to look at per-core utilization. You'd also need a much faster polling rate than 2500ms, which is averaging out spikes.

A good rule of thumb is that any time your GPU utilization falls below the upper-90s percent, you are bottlenecked by CPU or memory performance. The main exception being if your GPU doesn't have anywhere near enough VRAM (your RTX 2070 is fine).
 

Jack Winter

Jack Winter
Yes that looks like it's CPU bound and would benefit from a CPU upgrade. I had a similar system where the GPU would idle and framerates dropped. After replacing my i7-2600k with an i9-12900k and keeping the 1660Ti GPU, I'm mostly at capped 60 framerate everywhere, except certain places like for instance the concourse where it's mostly 60 but might drop to 55 or so in certain specific places. The biggest drop comes in on foot CZ where it might actually drop to 30-40 with the GPU running at 100%, but it still runs smoothly and doesn't have the terrible input lag and slideshow that I used to get with the 2600k. So ideally I'd need to upgrade the GPU to something better than a 1660Ti, but as most of the game is fine right now, I'll wait a little longer to see what shakes out with AMD vs Nvidia and pricing. I might even go for a 4090 to see if that's enough to run EDH/EDO in VR on high/ultra settings.
 

Jack Winter

Jack Winter
Fnord Velkor said:
... and if your case is big enough to get it in. ;)
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I checked, I can get a 4090 founders edition in it, but I'd need to leave the side panel off or get some third party cables preferably with a 90 degree plug. There's no way that I can get it into the case, put on the side panel and not bend the cable in a way that might be dangerous and risk burning the 12VHPRW connector. Nvidia seems to really have dropped the ball on how they positioned the 12VHPWR connector and the cable adaptor they deliver with the cards.
 

Quadpool

Quadpool
Ya'll can say what you want, Odyssey is an unfinished and rushed project; still to this day the optimization is very poor especially on CZ and planetary bases; could add here the stations as well. I run the game on a i5 8400 with gtx 1060 6gb. I know, it's an old setup; still i can have 60fps on anything else, constantly. Can't play CZ because the fps makes things literally unplayable (25-30fps); some planetary bases have huge issues in this department as well (not all of them). The apex shuttle has some issues, i noticed when i look at it i drop from 60fps to 40-45fps, may be too many vertices or something like that. The list can go on and on and it's very long. Not only optimizations but the quality in effects is also off; bloom, particles; cabin lighting; planetary lighting; gamma; global illumination inside stations and planetary basses and not to mention the infamous flickering shadows that are still present to this day. I don't expect with my setup to have 60fps on ultra all the time; i expect to run the game at medium with some high settings at 60fps 90% of the time which is not the case here at all. Tried all settings to low and got the same performance in CZ so there is that. This engine needs a lot of work. Until then, i'm still happy with the old school Horizons.
 

[VR] Mad Mike

[VR] Mad Mike
Quadpool said:
Ya'll can say what you want, Odyssey is an unfinished and rushed project; still to this day the optimization is very poor especially on CZ and planetary bases; could add here the stations as well. I run the game on a i5 8400 with gtx 1060 6gb. I know, it's an old setup; still i can have 60fps on anything else, constantly. Can't play CZ because the fps makes things literally unplayable (25-30fps); some planetary bases have huge issues in this department as well (not all of them). The apex shuttle has some issues, i noticed when i look at it i drop from 60fps to 40-45fps, may be too many vertices or something like that. The list can go on and on and it's very long. Not only optimizations but the quality in effects is also off; bloom, particles; cabin lighting; planetary lighting; gamma; global illumination inside stations and planetary basses and not to mention the infamous flickering shadows that are still present to this day. I don't expect with my setup to have 60fps on ultra all the time; i expect to run the game at medium with some high settings at 60fps 90% of the time which is not the case here at all. Tried all settings to low and got the same performance in CZ so there is that. This engine needs a lot of work. Until then, i'm still happy with the old school Horizons.
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i think very few people would argue with you that EDO runs poorly on low end hardware (and not as good as one would expect on higher end hardware either).

but 30 fps unplayable...... pah you do not know you are born ;)

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOrVoloCGBU
 

Darkfyre99

Darkfyre99
[VR] Mad Mike said:
i think very few people would argue with you that EDO runs poorly on low end hardware (and not as good as one would expect on higher end hardware either).

but 30 fps unplayable...... pah you do not know you are born ;)

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOrVoloCGBU
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Frontier: Elite 2 remains the “gold standard” I compare other space ship games to, with Kerbal Space Program a close second. Still waiting to be able to watch the gas giant Aster rise above the domes of Sirocco Station on the moon Merlin in Elite Dangerous…
 

robbyp

robbyp
Some PCs are just too old and underpowered to play Odyssey. Cycle replacement times of PCs are (according to a google search) 3-5 years. Why should Frontier spend time worrying about addressing performance of a out of date PC. I'd rather they concentrate on adding new stuff.
 

ferus

ferus
robbyp said:
Some PCs are just too old and underpowered to play Odyssey. Cycle replacement times of PCs are (according to a google search) 3-5 years. Why should Frontier spend time worrying about addressing performance of an out of date PC. I'd rather they concentrate on adding new stuff.
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No one is expecting stellar performance of Odyssey on older machines (although the minimum and recommended specs should not be just ”something to have”).
The problem here is that even some new PCs struggle with running Odyssey smoothly.
 
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Schattenmacher

Schattenmacher
Those are some interesting problem-solving suggestions here.
Bad code doesn't get better with brute force with better hardware.
The bad code is simply executed faster and consumes a disproportionate amount of energy.
The only positive thing is that you no longer need to heat the computer room.
 
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