I want that Galnet paintjob for the Conda.
They may do that again when the next expansion comes out next year.Lifetime backers were able, early on, to 'pay in advance', and current players will ultimately have to pay more in the long run to access what lifetime backers will get access to. How about Frontier let us all have the opportunity to become lifetime backers... ?
I disagree. As it is a revenue stream that helps to keep the game being developed, that would be a poor decision.At any rate, and in all seriousness, I think that Lifetime backers should have everything that is available on the Frontier Store - right now (but more especially when ARX is released).
As a Cobra Mk4 owner, I would have no issues. I have had plenty of time to "enjoy" the ship. I say let some others enjoy it. It should have always been a timed exclusive in my view.And your opinion on the Cobra MKIV - allowing all to have access to it?
Thank heavens. I was worried it was never going to become a proper game and reach its full potential.September.
Giving stuff for a good cause - charity - is commendable. However, Frontier is a business, not a charity - although it does sometimes engage in charitable activities. I full support this type of thing. Likewise, competitions are fine.
I've detailed my gripes above, and have yet to see a reasonable response as to why I should not feel a little disgruntled that I've paid for items that others will soon be able to access for free (had I been made aware of this fact at an earlier point, I might have chosen not to purchase any of the stuff and waited to earn if by simply playing the game - as I have been doing for several years, on and off).
Well, if you can't see what the problem is I can't really help.
I've paid money for various paint jobs, ship kits, etc., and now Frontier are going to allow people to earn ARX to obtain what I have by simply playing the game (like I've been doing for the past several years). I had to buy this stuff with my cash, and now others will be able to obtain it without having to spend any more money. That's not a problem?
OK, let me purchase the Life-Time pass now - or let me, using ARX have access to the Lifetime pass holder gear. Let everyone have access to the Cobra MKIV. Basically, these things have been ring-fenced because of money paid. Whereas, what some of you are stating is that the money I paid for unique items in the online store doesn't count, and it's OK for others to have access to this free of charge - using ARX - despite the fact that many players have actually bought this stuff for a price!
That's your opinion. I disagree. It's not acceptable at all. I will expect something back from Frontier...
A snowflake bobblehead?That's your opinion. I disagree. It's not acceptable at all. I will expect something back from Frontier...
Wait... Isn't there already a snowflake bobblehead? Or did I dream it? I do have some weird dreams, I admit.A snowflake bobblehead?
The life time backers and those who bought Horizons as a pre-release where buying the life time pass and Horizons respectively the goodies that came with the one or the Cobra IV with the other where rewards for doing so. This is not the same thing as you or I going to the store and buying a Gold paint job (no longer available) for an FdL.In all honesty, I probably won't care that much come time for release and the change - updates, etc. However, I do think there is a valid point in some of what I'm stating as respects others who have paid money and expect that the stuff they have obtained due to that payment remain unique to them (and their special little group - lifetime backers, Cobra MKIV 'owners', etc.).
Whereas, we who have been long-time players, and supporters, apparently are not expected to feel disgruntled when Frontier announces that ARX is coming and that all things that were previously obtainable via Frontier Store using real cash (as good as the money paid by Lifetime backers, and Cobra MK IV 'owners'), are expected to shut up and accept the change without any objections.
Try suggesting that we should now have access to Lifetime backer content, or the Cobra MK IV and you'll soon find all sorts of people coming out of the woodwork objecting to this. But it's alright to give away everything free (soon, via ARX) that I, and others, have purchased...
Still, the majority commenting here seem to have no problem with it. Probably because they haven't spent very much, if anything, on Game Extras. I guess I'm the only sucker here who has...
Most EULA text as written today should be illegal and unfortunately I feel the same about Frontier's EULA. Buyers of games and other actual products should always have the option to buy the product outright (boxed version of software or download). Essentially this says you part with your money and are not guaranteed anything at all. Rubbish. Games companies that take online games down should be required to open-source the code or provide a version that works offline.From the EULA:
5.1 You acknowledge that all ownership rights, intellectual property, trade secret and all other proprietary rights in the Game and the Online Features (including, without limitation, any computer code, themes, objects characters, character names, stories, locations, concepts, artwork, storylines, likenesses, moral rights, structural or landscape designs, musical compositions, dialogue, or any other content protected by US or international intellectual property protection laws) are owned or licensed by Frontier, that rights in the Game are licensed rather than sold to you (subject to the licence granted in clause 2), and that you have no rights in or to the Game or the Online Features other than the right to Use them strictly in accordance with the terms of this EULA.
5.2 You acknowledge that you shall acquire no proprietary rights in past or stored gameplay, Game progress, character or other achievements within the Game.
Just buy the Arx when the ones you earn by playing plus the package size equal the price of the paintjob you want.Most EULA text as written today should be illegal and unfortunately I feel the same about Frontier's EULA. Buyers of games and other actual products should always have the option to buy the product outright (boxed version of software or download). Essentially this says you part with your money and are not guaranteed anything at all. Rubbish. Games companies that take online games down should be required to open-source the code or provide a version that works offline.
But suppose this is off-topic for the thread about ARX.
I will be happy if $1 = 1 ARX, otherwise it is rubbish. Also, unless I can buy only the exact amount of ARX I want to spend, this scheme means FD gets an interest-free loan at my expense with no option to not participate (and the accounting . . .). Price in real-world terms becomes harder to track and understand. In that case, not a fan.
I'd agree with this, and remembering buying games on tape for the ZX Spectrum, since then I've watched games publishers push EULAs ever closer towards this concept they've established now - and which we as The Consumer® have let them establish - whereby they make a thing, we pay them for the thing, they get our money and they still own the thing.Most EULA text as written today should be illegal and unfortunately I feel the same about Frontier's EULA. Buyers of games and other actual products should always have the option to buy the product outright (boxed version of software or download). Essentially this says you part with your money and are not guaranteed anything at all. Rubbish. Games companies that take online games down should be required to open-source the code or provide a version that works offline.
I know this was sarcastic, but the next day, up to 3 days, actually, yes, I go back, show my receipt, and politely ask for the difference.You go to a shop to buy a pair of jeans. You pay $50. The next day they go on sale for $20. Do you charge back in and demand they give you $30 back?
Just out of curiosity, how long is it since you bought Elite on the terms you got?The next day, up to 3 days, actually, yes, I go back, show my receipt, and politely ask for the difference.
And I've never had a retailer say no.
My reply was specific to @Agony Aunt's example.Just out of curiosity, how long is it since you bought Elite on the terms you got?
While I agree with the basic tenants of your argument (I'm typing this using an open source browser in an open source operating system), the fact is that by playing the game, we agree to the EULA. People truly offended by EULAs don't use the offending software. Either that or they become a software pirate, but I'm not advocating this!Most EULA text as written today should be illegal and unfortunately I feel the same about Frontier's EULA.
Well, I'm following along as best I can. As I understand it your objection is that you've had to pay to get the game on particular terms - and now the new update means others will get the same benefits without paying in the way you had to. If I've got that wrong please do put me right. But you were asked if, having bought some jeans at a given price, you'd then go back and ask for a refund if someone else subsequently bought them at a lower price. You've replied that you would, and had, if you were within three days of the sale.My reply was specific to @Agony Aunt's example.
Also, I don't know what you mean by "bought Elite on the terms you got?"