Awkward question that really needs an answer

Windscreen Smudge

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Robert Maynard said:
How can they be a subscription? There's no requirement to buy cosmetics from the store and access to the game is not stopped if we don't buy cosmetics....
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Why do you feel the need to apply arbitrary descriptors?

Do yourself a favor and go google some articles on the controversy that's been surrounding microtransactions on high profile games over the last year. What you think a subscription is, and what the gaming industry thinks a subscription is, are two entirely different things and their definition is very broad and open to interpretation.

None of it is directly relevant, but it will give you some insight on just how different a financial expert's description of voluntary is compared to yours.

Why should they limit their sources of income to silly boundaries set by a dictionary description? Webster didn't write the guide to financial success. They can't even afford to print physical copies anymore.

Access is stopped if you stop buying cosmetics, just not immediately. When ED becomes unprofitable the servers will shut down. No ambiguity about that. It's an online game and online games cost money. FDev is not obligated to go in the red for you.

The median age on this forum is really starting to bite it's own tail in it's ignorance on just how the gaming industry works.
 

Riverside

Riverside
Yaffle said:
Ahh, that makes a little more sense, I didn't fully grasp that. Thanks. As linked in that other thread nothing has changed about the LEP at any point, ever. other than in the minds of some forum commentators.
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What has changed is that yet more time has passed.
 

Windscreen Smudge

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GreyAreaUK said:
What, you mean when I spend roughly equal to a couple of packets of crisps once every three months? If you seriously think that’s equal to a subscription then I have a bridge to sell to you.
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They don't care if you spend a quid a year or a day. That's more money than they had the opportunity to earn for a single player game and the guy who is dropping 10 a week is subsidizing your gameplay so it's okay. That's how volume sales work.
 

Sylveria

Sylveria
Shadowdancer said:
I did not know that I had to renew my paintjobs periodically :O
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Robert Maynard

Volunteer Moderator
Robert Maynard
Windscreen Smudge said:
Why do you feel the need to apply arbitrary descriptors?
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For clarity.

Windscreen Smudge said:
Do yourself a favor and go google some articles on the controversy that's been surrounding microtransactions on high profile games over the last year. What you think a subscription is, and what the gaming industry thinks a subscription is, are two entirely different things and their definition is very broad and open to interpretation.

None of it is directly relevant, but it will give you some insight on just how different a financial expert's description of voluntary is compared to yours.

Why should they limit their sources of income to silly boundaries set by a dictionary description? Webster didn't write the guide to financial success. They can't even afford to print physical copies anymore.

Access is stopped if you stop buying cosmetics, just not immediately. When ED becomes unprofitable the servers will shut down. No ambiguity about that. It's an online game and online games cost money. FDev is not obligated to go in the red for you.

The median age on this forum is really starting to bite it's own tail in it's ignorance on just how the gaming industry works.
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We don't have paid loot boxes in this game - neither do we pay for a skin on the store only to receive a random one.

The furore in the press regarding monetisation of other games is not unknown to me - however it's not applicable to this game, in my opinion.

So you agree that buying cosmetics in the store is not a subscription (using the classic definition) then?
 

MottiKhan

MottiKhan
Robert Maynard said:
For clarity.



We don't have paid loot boxes in this game - neither do we pay for a skin on the store only to receive a random one.

The furore in the press regarding monetisation of other games is not unknown to me - however it's not applicable to this game, in my opinion.

So you agree that buying cosmetics in the store is not a subscription (using the classic definition) then?
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Well, you're right.

How dare you be right on the forums!!!
 

Windscreen Smudge

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Robert Maynard said:
For clarity.



We don't have paid loot boxes in this game - neither do we pay for a skin on the store only to receive a random one.

The furore in the press regarding monetisation of other games is not unknown to me - however it's not applicable to this game, in my opinion.

So you agree that buying cosmetics in the store is not a subscription (using the classic definition) then?
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"Arbitrary" is the exact opposite of clarity. You won't get clarity on this issue until you do some self-educating.

Loot boxes are irrelevant. Read what I wrote. How developers approach financially incentivizing a game is no longer bound by the primitive descriptions that were set in 1995. In case you haven't noticed, things change quickly around here.
 

the100thmonkey

the100thmonkey
lilikin said:
No they said that the future DLC would be in seasons about every year and that they would be about £40 each and that lifetime would get you everything for the next ten years. (on the assumption obviously the project was still running)
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They've also said that they are moving on from the seasons model.

Make of that what you will.
 

jasonbarron

jasonbarron
lilikin said:
When Horizon's was announced they said it would cost £40 and future seasons would be the same about every year or so and the current path was about ten years of seasons if things went well etc etc so 10 x 40 = £400 > £130ish even if the game lasts 5 years well then that's a saving and if it goes bust well that's life.

It's been two years since and all I've seen is 1 season of paid content which is a little late but ok that's life, but now the next season is free?

Either a) I just got punked b) Frontier are doing ok with flair and want to provide free content in which case can I get a refund of sorts as you've decided change the model so much. c) big stuff is around the corner that will start to make my life long membership thing worthwhile......

I accepted the season structure had changed and small DLC is fine if the same lifetime deal holds true but feels a little stale tbh

How/if are FD going to make it right?
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I'm a little confused by the OP. There is only one demographic that has any right to complain or show concern, and that is the lifetime pass owners. Everybody else just pays as they go, and if Fdev doesn't come up with more paid-for content, or doesn't do it in a timely manner, then that's just too bad.
 

Robert Maynard

Volunteer Moderator
Robert Maynard
Windscreen Smudge said:
"Arbitrary" is the exact opposite of clarity. You won't get clarity on this issue until you do some self-educating.

Loot boxes are irrelevant. Read what I wrote. How developers approach financially incentivizing a game is no longer bound by the primitive descriptions that were set in 1995. In case you haven't noticed, things change quickly around here.
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So what, in your opinion, is this particular developer doing?
 

Riverside

Riverside
the100thmonkey said:
They've also said that they are moving on from the seasons model.

Make of that what you will.
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They have also changed the LEP wording from 'all future seasons' to 'all future expansions'. That LEP owners will receive the stuff that gets produced in future is not in question.

What's not known (and I would like to know) is what it will be, and when. These answers do not need to be precise.
 

Rubbernuke

Rubbernuke
So if I understand this right: if a game becomes unprofitable then it shuts down, and we keep it alive by making it profitable as we buy the game and extras for it.

Thats not a subscription, thats just how business works.

If Heinz beans stopped being popular it would not be made any more, therefore do I subscribe to Heinz by buying them and keep them solvent?
 

Bob Lighthouse

Banned
Bob Lighthouse
Dsign said:
Next "season" is free, yes. There is however some paid content that we don't know much about coming later on this year.
So yeah. Exciting year :)
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Interesting, I missed this bit.

Above and Beyond? Seeing as the Beyond content is supposed to be free?
Seems a bit bait and switch-y.
 

the100thmonkey

the100thmonkey
Windscreen Smudge said:
Why do you feel the need to apply arbitrary descriptors?

Do yourself a favor and go google some articles on the controversy that's been surrounding microtransactions on high profile games over the last year. What you think a subscription is, and what the gaming industry thinks a subscription is, are two entirely different things and their definition is very broad and open to interpretation.

None of it is directly relevant, but it will give you some insight on just how different a financial expert's description of voluntary is compared to yours.

Why should they limit their sources of income to silly boundaries set by a dictionary description? Webster didn't write the guide to financial success. They can't even afford to print physical copies anymore.

Access is stopped if you stop buying cosmetics, just not immediately. When ED becomes unprofitable the servers will shut down. No ambiguity about that. It's an online game and online games cost money. FDev is not obligated to go in the red for you.

The median age on this forum is really starting to bite it's own tail in it's ignorance on just how the gaming industry works.
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Mate, you generally talk sense, but in this instance I think you've backed yourself into a corner and feel the need to do some oratorical gymnastics to squeeze through that air duct.

That's a polite way to say you're talking utter nonsense here.
 
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