Let's say there is a war in a system. The only way to influence it is by going to combat zones. So what happens if you never go to one. The BGS sorts it out regardless.
Basic question about ED is it MMO or Co-op single player.
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Let's say there is a war in a system. The only way to influence it is by going to combat zones. So what happens if you never go to one. The BGS sorts it out regardless.
Good point.
I would say, in the strictest sense Elite is not an MMO (Massive Multiplayer Online), but is rather just an MO (Multiplayer Online).
Sure the BGS is there and all players in every mode connect to it, but that kind of “connectivity” is not what the Massive in MMO means. Elite’s peer to peer nature and limit to 32 players per instance simply prevents the game from ever being massively multiplayer, the network architecture just won’t allow it. Plus there are no in game tools to communicate and coordinate multiplayer encounters. Features like chat channels are not a thing in Elite (unless you are in the same instance), nor are wing missions or any real multiplayer content of any sort. Multicrew is there but it’s hard to get in a ship nowadays and nigh impossible to coordinate it with friends without the use of external tools. CQC exists but again there is no in game way to coordinate or plan sessions. Fighting the Thargoids all but requires teaming up but without using external tools to coordinate doing so is very difficult.
Elite is at it’s core a solo player experience with some multiplayer mechanics thrown into it. You can play multiplayer but the core game is NOT designed with multiplayer in mind. This might be a side effect of the fact the game was originally designed to have an offline mode, which of course never saw release, but I feel that it’s roots still mirror that design intent.
Sure the BGS is there and all players in every mode connect to it, but that kind of “connectivity” is not what the Massive in MMO means. Elite’s peer to peer nature and limit to 32 players per instance simply prevents the game from ever being massively multiplayer, the network architecture just won’t allow it. Plus there are no in game tools to communicate and coordinate multiplayer encounters. Features like chat channels are not a thing in Elite (unless you are in the same instance), nor are wing missions or any real multiplayer content of any sort. Multicrew is there but it’s hard to get in a ship nowadays and nigh impossible to coordinate it with friends without the use of external tools. CQC exists but again there is no in game way to coordinate or plan sessions. Fighting the Thargoids all but requires teaming up but without using external tools to coordinate doing so is very difficult.
Elite is at it’s core a solo player experience with some multiplayer mechanics thrown into it. You can play multiplayer but the core game is NOT designed with multiplayer in mind. This might be a side effect of the fact the game was originally designed to have an offline mode, which of course never saw release, but I feel that it’s roots still mirror that design intent.
I saw earlier in this thread that people implied that ED is more of an MMO than games like Planetside 2. Personnally i dont give a crap about how many people EDs netcode can handle on paper.
I have spent months and months in CGs, i tried and i really mean i tried to make multicrew work.
Once we had a small BGS war between players that lasted 4 days. Max players in system was 50 at the same time. We had exactly the same problems like the CGs systems. I couldnt believe in my eyes. Everything was there. Crashes to desktop, instance drops, SC drop stucks, wing members not seeing by some of the others, people in wing fights were ghosts for some other people, dropping with nav lock sometimes dropped you in empty instance, rubber banding.
Again, i dont really care how many players EDs architecture can hold in theory, because i have seen for well over a year that it simply DOES NOT work in multiplayer mechanics.
Planetside is trully a magnificent MMO and comparing a mess like ED to it, shows the white-knightism of some people or their ignorance about gaming.
I have spent months and months in CGs, i tried and i really mean i tried to make multicrew work.
Once we had a small BGS war between players that lasted 4 days. Max players in system was 50 at the same time. We had exactly the same problems like the CGs systems. I couldnt believe in my eyes. Everything was there. Crashes to desktop, instance drops, SC drop stucks, wing members not seeing by some of the others, people in wing fights were ghosts for some other people, dropping with nav lock sometimes dropped you in empty instance, rubber banding.
Again, i dont really care how many players EDs architecture can hold in theory, because i have seen for well over a year that it simply DOES NOT work in multiplayer mechanics.
Planetside is trully a magnificent MMO and comparing a mess like ED to it, shows the white-knightism of some people or their ignorance about gaming.
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No, even in PvE WoW you can (and regularly do) have more than 32 players together at any time. All you need do is walk around any of the major cities to see that, heck the auction houses typically have hundreds just hanging out together. Plus it’s very easy to coordinate and communicate with huge amounts of players directly in game with WoW, not so at all in Elite.
WoW is definitely a MMO, and I still contend that Elite is just an MO. They are on very, VERY different levels of multiplayer features and gameplay. Elite is as much of an MMO as Minecraft is, and Minecraft aint’ no MMO.
This is all very well, but it pales in comparison to feeding that shark.
That is epic.
You can just drop the mic after that.
One looking like it's being force fed baby milkSorry what shark? I didnt get it
One looking like it's being force fed baby milk
Oh now i got it. Its the one of a kind avatar that i made. Wont find that gif on the internet
. And its ofc from that AWSOME movie.It is epic
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Your question (really query) about the gaming aspects of Elite is well-taken. I am not sure what the answer is myself. A caution, however, that *if* Frontier continues to build out Elite, any answer we give now may change in the future. This will be especially true if Frontier does want to make Elite into a full-fledged MMO.
Still, it is worth pointing out that your query is only about the gaming *aspects* of Elite. E
is not a game per se. It is a virtual world in space, a cosmos, with simulation and gaming aspects. The gaming aspects involve us in the sim, and pay for it of course. This impacts whether we think of it as a game at all, much less coop or MMO.
It sure is different from the standard
AEDC exists to play the BGS, Max. We're pretty good at it.
If nobody comes to the system, there will be no movement. Conflicts have a 28 day max, so eventually they will just stop. They may end any time before that as a draw, as well, after the minimum 3+1 day length.
Here's a sample of a system that barely moves at all, of two factions that enter, come out, and re-enter civil war, with barely any movement (where there is, someone did something). (Note, in this sample, when these factions don't change, neither do the others)
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In general, is a single commander capable of killing a couple of hundred NPCs a day enough to have a noticable effect?
most certainly, but it will depend on the population size of the system. Couple of thousands, this should give a reasonable movement. In one of billions, a couple of tenths.
Bob Lighthouse
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Thanks, that's about what I expected but more of an influence perhaps.
It's something I'm interested in but haven't really delved into much.
I'm collecting various PP weapons right now but am really curious about this part of the game.
I disagree.
It's (yet another) whinge thread that trolls people into reading it by (seeming) to ask a meaningful question just so a bunch of whining nonsense can be OP'd.
Well, the rule book for MMOs was written by UO, EQ and a couple of others , and then massively popularized and added on to by WoW. So I suppose that any game that does not follow that rule book is not an MMO (maybe with the exception of EvE, but even there I see some of the WoW factor.)
Seems that I’ve been seeing a lot of “small group” content, “raid” content threads lately. So far the only thing I haven’t seen is “holy-trinity” threads and “raider needs phat lewet” threads.
Can’t rep Suvi Anwar (enough) cause for some reason my phone does not allow me too.
P.S.: Can’t help but notice that these kind of threads pop up a few weeks after X’mas. After the ED X’mas present has been opened and tried on for a while.
Seems that I’ve been seeing a lot of “small group” content, “raid” content threads lately. So far the only thing I haven’t seen is “holy-trinity” threads and “raider needs phat lewet” threads.
Can’t rep Suvi Anwar (enough) cause for some reason my phone does not allow me too.
P.S.: Can’t help but notice that these kind of threads pop up a few weeks after X’mas. After the ED X’mas present has been opened and tried on for a while.
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