Heyyyyy, what about the prehensile tail porcupine?
Be honest with us Frontier
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I just personally want the afrocan Crested since it's also found in Europe. It'd honestly make more sense if it was called a Mediterranean Porcupine.
It would be fine for another time, but if it replaces the African Crested I'll be sad and disappointed.
I’d prefer a porcupine that climbs to begin with. You can’t make a Prehensile out of a Crested but you can make a Crested out of a Prehensile
you do realize we can code stuff to not climb right
Old World and New World porcupines are both common zoo animals so ideally we'd have one of each. Not holding my breath though.
It's the same case as the foxes and whales, though:
Red foxes (Vulpes) are not that closely related to other foxes, such as gray foxes, nor to zorros (which actually means fox in Spanish)
Killer whale suggests that it is a whale, yet the animal is a dolphin
But in most languages, the common name is misleading for many species, which is why zoologists usually just refer to the Latin name
It's even worse in Portuguese, where they are all called spike pig (literal translation of "porco espinho") witch give the idea they are related to pigs somehow.
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In Danish they are called cavehedgehogs and treehedgehogs. While English isn't perfect it is often better
Same in german, but there seems to be something going on with rodents being named pigs. Like guinea pigs we call sea piggys and capybaras waterpigs
So if we get a porcupine, it's probably going to be the animal that takes the most time designing. How many clone/near clone type animals would be sufficient to offset this? I'm thinking for many packs we get 2-3 of those type by this point, but the porcupine will probably extra troublesome. Maybe they'll end up having to put 4 clone/near clone types in the pack to offset this, if it's an animal pack, or 3 if it's a scenery pack. Which is generally fine with me as an animal pack, but as a scenery pack it will be more of an issue.
Still let's consider the animal pack. I'm assigning a "work level" of how much work I'm thinking it will probably be to put in for each animal in this example
Crested Porcupine (work level 5 - new rig which will be extra difficult to model due to quills)
Secretary Bird (work level 4 - new rig)
Hamadryas Baboon (work level 4 - new rig, unless they are able to use much of the Mandrill rig, in which case the work level would be 3)
Sand Cat (work level 3 - can likely use the lynx rig as the base, but with a lot of adjustments)
Collard Peccary (work level 2 - probably can use the existing piggy rig as the base, and make adjustments but not overburdened in doing so)
Saiga Antelope (work level 2 - can use the antelope base, not a lot of adjustments to be made except for the head)
Dromedary (work level 2 - can use the camel base with some adjustments, but not a lot of adjustments.)
We don't have one here but a level 1 would essentially be a reskin with very minor adjustments.
In this example, for the 7 animals that's a work level total of 21-22. Which evens out to an average of level 3 work involved. Which sounds about right for me as for a middle, balanced ground.
Other possibilities include a Jackal of some type (work level 2 off of the Dhole rig, if not a level 1 work level)
Black Rhino (again a level 2 work level)
Masai Giraffe (likely a level 1 work level)
I realize these "work levels" are being pulled from nowhere, but I'm trying to use something to show the effort involved and how it could be offset. I'm not just assigning these numbers at random, I promise. I'm really looking at the work involved for the entire pack. Maybe some of these would be more or less work than I think. But to keep in mind, if you're wanting to add more work intensive animals in, you have to take away something work intensive as well, to balance out.
Still let's consider the animal pack. I'm assigning a "work level" of how much work I'm thinking it will probably be to put in for each animal in this example
Crested Porcupine (work level 5 - new rig which will be extra difficult to model due to quills)
Secretary Bird (work level 4 - new rig)
Hamadryas Baboon (work level 4 - new rig, unless they are able to use much of the Mandrill rig, in which case the work level would be 3)
Sand Cat (work level 3 - can likely use the lynx rig as the base, but with a lot of adjustments)
Collard Peccary (work level 2 - probably can use the existing piggy rig as the base, and make adjustments but not overburdened in doing so)
Saiga Antelope (work level 2 - can use the antelope base, not a lot of adjustments to be made except for the head)
Dromedary (work level 2 - can use the camel base with some adjustments, but not a lot of adjustments.)
We don't have one here but a level 1 would essentially be a reskin with very minor adjustments.
In this example, for the 7 animals that's a work level total of 21-22. Which evens out to an average of level 3 work involved. Which sounds about right for me as for a middle, balanced ground.
Other possibilities include a Jackal of some type (work level 2 off of the Dhole rig, if not a level 1 work level)
Black Rhino (again a level 2 work level)
Masai Giraffe (likely a level 1 work level)
I realize these "work levels" are being pulled from nowhere, but I'm trying to use something to show the effort involved and how it could be offset. I'm not just assigning these numbers at random, I promise. I'm really looking at the work involved for the entire pack. Maybe some of these would be more or less work than I think. But to keep in mind, if you're wanting to add more work intensive animals in, you have to take away something work intensive as well, to balance out.
Ok, honest question, sir, but let's say the 7/8 of the animals are animals you love, but the 1/8 is an African leopard. How would you feel?
I will never buy any pack with the cheap-cheating-copy-paste-clone Leopard in it. I will boycot such pack. Even if it has Markhor, Gerenuk, Tasmanian Devil ect in it, I hate the African Leopard (wish, not even the animal of course) so much that I will never accept it taking a spot.
Don't like the American Black Bear as well, but I will buy the pack if it has other animals in it, I have a personal vendetta against the Leopard from Africa, as it is just another big cat, and we already have the Amur. Worst clone animal of all time.
Don't like the American Black Bear as well, but I will buy the pack if it has other animals in it, I have a personal vendetta against the Leopard from Africa, as it is just another big cat, and we already have the Amur. Worst clone animal of all time.
Quell is sad now
...ABB is my favorite bear (mostly due to their being native to where I live)
I also love the cinnamon color variant; WHO EVER HEARD OF A RED BEAR?!
EDIT: to clarify, I'm not saying that those who don't want the ABB are unfair; I totally get the reasons why.
But, if it does come, I'd be ecstatic. If it doesn't, so be it
I just love the Spectacled Bear too much, South America doesn't have any other bears, and those glasses are so freaking special, love that bear most of all bears, though the small strange Sun Bears are also cool, Sloth Bears while cool, well, they turn the Sun Bear into something less special, so it doesn't get a wish from me, though I wouldn't mind them.
I don't understand the Formosan Black Bear, is it the one we call Kraag (collared) Beer (bear) in the Netherlands?
I don't understand the Formosan Black Bear, is it the one we call Kraag (collared) Beer (bear) in the Netherlands?
''The spectacled bear (Tremarctos ornatus), also known as the South American bear, Andean bear, Andean short-faced bear or mountain bear and locally as jukumari (Aymara and Quechua[3]), ukumari (Quechua) or ukuku, is a species of bear native to the Andes Mountains in western South America. It is the only living species of bear native to South America, and the last remaining short-faced bear (subfamily Tremarctinae). Its closest relatives are the giant panda, the extinct Florida spectacled bear,[4] and the giant short-faced bears (Arctodus and Arctotherium), which became extinct at the end of the Pleistocene around 12,000 years ago.[5][6] The diet of the spectacled bear is mostly herbivorous, but does engage in occasional carnivory. The species is classified as Vulnerable by the IUCN because of habitat loss."
It is also the biggest predator mammal from South America.
Ok, didn't know that, now I want it even more, it is a special bear, not belonging to any other family! FRONTIER! ADD IT NOW, it is PERFECT for a mountain DLC.
It is also the biggest predator mammal from South America.
Ok, didn't know that, now I want it even more, it is a special bear, not belonging to any other family! FRONTIER! ADD IT NOW, it is PERFECT for a mountain DLC.
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May I ask what the purpose of this thread is again? A bit lost.