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Big Elite Streamers Giving Up On Streaming Elite?
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It might be because I'm biased and actually like Odyssey (despite a few annoying glitches and the performance issues)...
...but my impression was and still is that you don't need guides for Odyssey.
It's handed to you on a silver platter; if you just pick up a mission from the terminal you're good to go - you'll eventually get everything you need.
And that's mostly what Exigeous, D2EA, etc produced; tutorials. As in "how to get Polonium/Improvised Components/FSD Booster as quickly as possible".
There's no need for that with baseline Odyssey.
Maybe later on if exotic stuff starts to happen and you need to get Thargoid/Guardian Scope unlocked for your handheld weapons...
...but my impression was and still is that you don't need guides for Odyssey.
It's handed to you on a silver platter; if you just pick up a mission from the terminal you're good to go - you'll eventually get everything you need.
And that's mostly what Exigeous, D2EA, etc produced; tutorials. As in "how to get Polonium/Improvised Components/FSD Booster as quickly as possible".
There's no need for that with baseline Odyssey.
Maybe later on if exotic stuff starts to happen and you need to get Thargoid/Guardian Scope unlocked for your handheld weapons...
Wonder why they are called 'influencers'?
Doesn't look like the end of the road to me
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Well, this isn't just a few people with different ideas to "Frontier's vision" for the game. I don't know if Yamiks is in this category but I know the OP is (as am I) - there was a vision sold during the Kickstarter. That vision included (eventually) landing on planets (done), ship interiors (not done nor will ever be done), big game hunting (haha... as if), an offline mode, and a whole host of other things. That's what Frontier themselves spoke of. That's the vision they sold.
The really sad thing is, Frontier have systematically abandoned that vision. Now there's apparently no vision at all, so there's absolutely nothing to engage with or get excited by. That's what still !&£^'s me off.
That's cool... it's a game, which you bought. The only obligation it has to fulfill is to entertain you - nothing else.
1500+ hours in the game, but I stopped playing some time ago.
Wonder why they are called 'influencers'?
Doesn't look like the end of the road to me
Doesn't change the fact that QA is the most positive content creator for ED. Or was. When he and other content creators are expressing their dissatisfaction with the current state of the game, reducing the amount of content for ED on their channels, and promoting other space games more, well, something is wrong.
Even if you want to ignore or dismiss content creators/influencers, let's face it, the game isn't in a good place right now as far as player feedback is concerned, and that dissatisfaction is coming from a sizeable portion of players or in some cases, ex-players - like myself, sadly. That's clear to see on these forums, Reddit, and YouTube.
I've started playing ED since Xbox Early Access and I've never known the game hit this level of.....dissatisfaction with its own community. And that's sad. But at this point, totally understandable.
Pardon the 'short' quote...
I've read (and watched a few videos) about the startup of the game, and the vision of what it might be as it 'matured'. (careful wording!) Comparing that to what we do have, I agree with your sentiment 100% - what we have is a shadow of what it might have been.
I won't attempt to explain it away flippantly as I have no idea as to why ED hasn't developed along the ideas presented. No, it isn't the game it might have been, for whatever reasons Frontier decided. But it would be 'fair' to the kickstarters & early LEP purchasers (& the later LEP purchasers) if some explanation of the direction the game is going for the remainder of its projected lifespan was given.
I met my wife in 2004. At the time we were both athletes, me playing footy 5 nights a week, her doing yoga and dancing. We swore we'd never have kids, we'd travel the world. We made decent money, but swore we'd never be the sort to become mindless drones tied to a desk. It was absolutely wonderful.
That's the vision we sold each other.
17 years later we're both fatarses who spend 90% of our time on our backsides, have a kid that drives us up the wall, haven't traveled anywhere except visits back to Ireland to see my family every other year, and both obsess about work since we have a mortgage and bills to pay.
Best laid plans, and all that.
True, although in almost every case (maybe deep core mining as an exception), trying to please everyone by delivering minimum viable product as a standard, and then not going back later & adding to it, is what killed E: D for me. I have no issue with FD making the game they want to make - the trouble is, looking at the disconnected & disjointed state of E: D now, I'm not sure they ever knew what that was.
X4 is great. Enjoy getting into that. BUT... take a game like NMS... which will change everything with every patch if the new headline feature needs it. There's no question of keeping things the same "because that's how we've always done things 'round 'ere" - if they want to add something, and it doesn't fit with what's there, they change what's there to suit. E: D's expansions and patches have always been disconnected, separate things - and Odyssey was a bridge too far with that development model. Nothing in Odyssey reflects back into the ship gameplay, or vice versa.
Some people might call that "lazy development". Me, I take the view that it's a symptom of nobody who understands the game overseeing it all & making sure everything ties in with everything else. Which is (actually) the true test of immersion in computer games - internal consistency. E: D has little of it.
Since they seem to want to do a poor man's Star Citizen (with a release price tag), they could & should have done Odyssey as a Squadron-42 type thing. So yes, a separate game, but without abandoning E: D / Horizons. Instead, continue building on that... but treat it just like CQC/Arena is now, but on foot. Just my humble opinion though.
Content Creators & Influencers have to follow their viewers interest, or the viewers - fickle as they are - would likely go elsewhere to watch content they want, it is the way
I'm playing the DLC - that was almost 3 hours played in a session, 1 bugged mission (completed at a 2nd visit) but no 'in-game' issues - although performance is much worse than Horizons, it is still very playable, but I do have pretty modern hardware. There are a heap of livestreams done by me for a couple of friends, some of them do have the odd crash or binding issue (resolved once I realised what was going on) but, overall, each stream is pretty consistent for the state of the expansion at the time.
Yes, there is some 'outrage' here over Odyssey, and the steam reviews are doing it no favours. Of course any 'sensible' CC or Influencer is going to kick the game while it is down, their audience demands it. (it is all about money in the end, isn't it?)
Promoting SC to their viewers should be hilarious, any of the posters here whose PCs are being brought ot their knees by Odyssey are unlikely to find it satisfactory given the demands of that alpha.
Your observations of the discontent are reasonable, but they are to be expected given the state Odyssey was released in.
"Kicking the game whilst it is down" is unnecessary and unconstructive.Content Creators & Influencers have to follow their viewers interest, or the viewers - fickle as they are - would likely go elsewhere to watch content they want, it is the way
I'm playing the DLC - that was almost 3 hours played in a session, 1 bugged mission (completed at a 2nd visit) but no 'in-game' issues - although performance is much worse than Horizons, it is still very playable, but I do have pretty modern hardware. There are a heap of livestreams done by me for a couple of friends, some of them do have the odd crash or binding issue (resolved once I realised what was going on) but, overall, each stream is pretty consistent for the state of the expansion at the time.
Yes, there is some 'outrage' here over Odyssey, and the steam reviews are doing it no favours. Of course any 'sensible' CC or Influencer is going to kick the game while it is down, their audience demands it. (it is all about money in the end, isn't it?)
Promoting SC to their viewers should be hilarious, any of the posters here whose PCs are being brought ot their knees by Odyssey are unlikely to find it satisfactory given the demands of that alpha.
Your observations of the discontent are reasonable, but they are to be expected given the state Odyssey was released in.
As for YouTube and audiences. The relationship between content creators and their audiences goes in both directions. I don't need to "influence" people's opinions on Odyssey. I just give my own thoughts which some people seem to like to hear.
Some videos are like writing a forum post, just with a much larger audience.
Other videos are a more creative endeavour, like when I hired Hollywood composer Nolan Markey and the Budapest Orchestra to write and record a score for my new MSFS series.
It's not about "changing someone's opinion" it's about self expression. In the case of my recent Elite videos that means expressing an opinion. In the case of my MSFS video, it is a creative expression.
But I understand how some people can get jaded about that type of thing.
I'm going to be cheeky and do something I rarely do. Post one of my videos.
It's a creative video. Or might someone claim I'm trying to "influence" people? The video was very expensive to produce. Far too costly for the purpose of influencing.
I know you weren't aiming anything at me personally Rat Catcher, and I know you didn't mean anything negative. Your posts often catch my eye and are appreciated. I simply thought this one deserved a reply.
I have no bone to pick with you personally either - but the point that an ex-player chooses to post a negative video of content they cannot currently play (console player) just because someone else expressed an opinion and that opinion is considered to be a valued one. (it could have been any other CC / Influencer from the youtube / twitch etc. platforms)"Kicking the game whilst it is down" is unnecessary and unconstructive.
As for YouTube and audiences. The relationship between content creators and their audiences goes in both directions. I don't need to "influence" people's opinions on Odyssey. I just give my own thoughts which some prime seem to like to hear.
Some videos are like writing a forum post, just with a much larger audience.
Other videos are a more creative endeavour, like when I hired Hollywood composer Nolan Markey and the Budapest Orchestra to write and record a score for my new MSFS series.
It's not about "changing someone's opinion" it's about self expression. In the case of my recent Elite videos that means expressing an opinion. In the case of my MSFS video, it is a creative expression.
But I understand how some people can get jaded about that type of thing.
I'm going to be cheeky and do something I rarely do. Post one of my videos.
Source: https://youtu.be/bo_TzbWQlHE
It's a creative video. Or might someone claim I'm trying to "influence" people? The video was very expensive to produce. Far too costly for the purpose of influencing.
I know you weren't aiming anything at me personally Rat Catcher, and I know you didn't mean anything negative. Your posts often catch my eye and are appreciated. I simply thought this one deserved a reply.
I don't promote the stuff I stream for a couple of friends either, normally, as it is just game - no opinions, no 'me' as a personality, no editing - just raw play, warts & all.
My thanks for a very measured response too, I'll take a look at the MSFS video tomorrow, creative sounds good to me!
The 'tough' thing, as far as I can tell, with having a successful yt channel, is that followers will be influenced, for good or bad, by the opinion of the presenter. Your being dismayed with the release of Odyssey will influence your viewers (ala Sisko) if they are unable, or unwilling, to play the content themselves - quite a big responsibility to have!
"Kicking the game whilst it is down" is unnecessary and unconstructive.
As for YouTube and audiences. The relationship between content creators and their audiences goes in both directions. I don't need to "influence" people's opinions on Odyssey. I just give my own thoughts which some people seem to like to hear.
Some videos are like writing a forum post, just with a much larger audience.
Other videos are a more creative endeavour, like when I hired Hollywood composer Nolan Markey and the Budapest Orchestra to write and record a score for my new MSFS series.
It's not about "changing someone's opinion" it's about self expression. In the case of my recent Elite videos that means expressing an opinion. In the case of my MSFS video, it is a creative expression.
But I understand how some people can get jaded about that type of thing.
I'm going to be cheeky and do something I rarely do. Post one of my videos.
Source: https://youtu.be/bo_TzbWQlHE
It's a creative video. Or might someone claim I'm trying to "influence" people? The video was very expensive to produce. Far too costly for the purpose of influencing.
I know you weren't aiming anything at me personally Rat Catcher, and I know you didn't mean anything negative. Your posts often catch my eye and are appreciated. I simply thought this one deserved a reply.
You don't "need to" influence people's opinions on Odyssey, nor is it about "changing someone's opinion" but you do, all the same, based upon the nature of your content and your viewership. Something I don't think very many content creators understand, is the sheer power you wield within the community, and how much weight your opinions hold.
I will restrain myself from going further, but will conclude with a personal observation that your content, in particular, was hailed as being some of the most positive and rational of all the content creators.
I'm not entirely sure that holds now.
I'm going to be cheeky and do something I rarely do. Post one of my videos.
Source: https://youtu.be/bo_TzbWQlHE
It's a creative video. Or might someone claim I'm trying to "influence" people? The video was very expensive to produce. Far too costly for the purpose of influencing.
It's a beautiful video, Ant, and I'm not just saying that because I'm Scottish and get echoes of "Caledonia" and "Flower of Scotland" in my head whilst watching it - it's really genuinely well done.
Thanks for posting and reminding me of it.
If anyone wants to explore an ELW, you should pick up MSFS or a Gamepass ASAP in my opinion.
One thing some people on the forums fail to realise is that content creators, YouTubers especially, have access to a metric ton of stats.
These inform us of what people like and don't like. This isn't just based on what subscribers are doing. But also on what new viewers are doing with old videos.
There is reams an reams of data, on demographics, locations, times, engagement, overall interest, comments, opinions and so much more.
YouTube content creators are among the best positioned in the world to know exactly what people are thinking and feeling on the subject their channel covers.
So. Does the YouTuber pay attention to millions of people forming tens of millions of data sets? Or do they listen to a single person on a forum?
The best answer is "a bit of both". But please don't underestimate the level of social based data that content creators have access to.
Thank you!
Do you ever sit around the house screaming at each other 'WHY DID YOU LIE TO MEEEEEEEE?!?!!??'
Yeah, thought not
Your "metric ton of stats" is not necessarily representative of the entire community. Merely your community, and your community, nor the whole set of content creators' communities is representative of the entire community.
That's the thing with opinions. They're about things. If those things change, so do opinions. Dumpster fires aren't generally regarded well, and it's good to hear rational people say so.
Validates the sense of indignation at being sold something that turns out to be a flaming dumpster rather than the promised fun times.
Dumpster fires don't need to be commented by "rational" people, nor celebrities. True dumpster fires are plainly seen down the street.
Reality says different, sorry
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