Big Elite Streamers Giving Up On Streaming Elite?

[Juniper]

Am I apologising? That isn't a very nice accusation to make!

Because you are insisting that by not saying something about future development while the work is ongoing, they have actually made a statement that they have no future plans, which stretches logis incredibly thin.

So, when I point out that your saying:

Is technically inexact (as it has not been said at all) I am "apologising for Frontier" - wow, just wow!

Apologies, I do not mean to come across as rude.

However, smirking & baity posts in response to mine are not exactly friendly either, are they?

You think E: D has a bright future.

I think it's been killed off internally, and there's nothing beyond the console release (which is purely an annual report obligation & nothing else).

That's fine. Time will tell who is correct.

 

[Rat Catcher]

If I'm perfectly honest even if they made a statement of sorts regarding future plans .. after what they pulled with EDO I probably wouldn't believe them either way. So not sure if more promises make any difference at this stage - only facts will.

But, you surely agree that, currently, they have not definitively stated that there are no further plans, as was claimed?

Frontier will probably pull the plug if Odyssey doesn't pay for itself... They will certainly make a statement of thieir intent if that is to be the case.

 

[Rat Catcher]

I've been a software developer for 25+ years

Is that all with Frontier?

You think E: D has a bright future.

You know absolutely nothing of my thought process, stick to fact, please.

 

[StanleyDunkan]

Horizons launch was nothing like this. It was merely buggy - and it was a season so that guaranteed they would carry on working on it & improving it. There seemed to be a vision for where the game was going back then, which people (like me) could get onboard with & get excited by. Enough to keep playing and encouraging others to.

Odyssey is a tacked on low grade FPS from 2010 with zero originality or risk attached. There's no vision. There's no sense of where it will lead to next. This was it. You'll have had your "new era" then.

So you like Horizon, right? So you can still play that, plus now you can also take missions on foot. It added diversity to your usual gameplay.

Restore power in a settlement mission - that's original right? I haven't played other games where i could do that.
Also covert mission, where you have to sneak around.
Risk depends on your gear and skill to kite NPC's.

Staff are there, it just depends on how you look at them.

 

[Juniper]

But, you surely agree that, currently, they have not definitively stated that there are no further plans, as was claimed?

Frontier will probably pull the plug if Odyssey doesn't pay for itself... They will certainly make a statement of thieir intent if that is to be the case.

To be clear (thought I was) that they will not immediately "pull the plug" on Odyssey. The servers will continue to run for some time I'm sure.

But they don't need to make an announcement or statement to just... quietly stop development. After all, they did that for the 2 years leading up to the Odyssey release, while the issue tracker was ignored.

FDev have other games, and people will be re-assigned within the company. That's my prediction, because they've made no commitment to any future development despite a) promising they would do so at the end of June and b) they've had ample opportunity to do so since then.

 

[CMDR Von Abrahart]

To be clear (thought I was) that they will not immediately "pull the plug" on Odyssey. The servers will continue to run for some time I'm sure.

But they don't need to make an announcement or statement to just... quietly stop development. After all, they did that for the 2 years leading up to the Odyssey release, while the issue tracker was ignored.

FDev have other games, and people will be re-assigned within the company. That's my prediction, because they've made no commitment to any future development despite a) promising they would do so at the end of June and b) they've had ample opportunity to do so since then.

So much speculation

 

[Deleted member 182079]

But, you surely agree that, currently, they have not definitively stated that there are no further plans, as was claimed?

Frontier will probably pull the plug if Odyssey doesn't pay for itself... They will certainly make a statement of thieir intent if that is to be the case.

Yes, I agree they haven't stated anything so far - I do agree with Juniper though that the writing may be on the wall and it's the beginning of the end, in that if you had major future plans that you'd have to dedicate resources to already now surely, wouldn't you want to share this? As I said to me it doesn't matter right now as they lost my trust anyways, but I don't see any reason why they'd want to keep this quiet.

Or they really do not have any plans currently which isn't exactly encouraging either.

 

[Juniper]

Is that all with Frontier?

None of it is with Frontier, but you know what? They all operate in the same way. I've probably worked at about 10 different companies (more if you count contracting) and whilst they have different sizes, cultures, outlooks etc - in every case, it always come down to money (ROI) with project funding.

Frontier lost millions with Odyssey, and that will not have gone unnoticed at boardroom level. It was the only reason they panicked in fact, and provoked a couple of forum posts from Braben.

You know absolutely nothing of my thought process, stick to fact, please.

Fair enough. Neither do you of mine, incidentally.

 

[Rat Catcher]

To be clear (thought I was) that they will not immediately "pull the plug" on Odyssey. The servers will continue to run for some time I'm sure.

But they don't need to make an announcement or statement to just... quietly stop development. After all, they did that for the 2 years leading up to the Odyssey release, while the issue tracker was ignored.

FDev have other games, and people will be re-assigned within the company. That's my prediction, because they've made no commitment to any future development despite a) promising they would do so at the end of June and b) they've had ample opportunity to do so since then.

Of course they wouldn't pull the plug on Odyssey today... Did I suggest that?

I'll leave you with your prediction "people will be re-assigned within the company" - which is a little obvious, until a 'full team' is needed for any future project.

 

[Rat Catcher]

Neither do you of mine, incidentally.

But I didn't have the temerity to claim I know what you think, did I?
All I did was point out that you had made a technically inexact claim to a statement being made that obviously hadn't - which I don't believe included the "you think" assumption.

 

[Deleted member 182079]

Given its taken them what, 3 years of developing Odyssey surely if they want to churn out another semi meaty DLC within the next 3 they'd need to get their skates on?

If no big additions come to the game they may as well pull the plug as even new players today will start to move on by then. And even a gap of 3 years is too long really - unless they'd switch to smaller more incremental updates again.

 

[CMDR-ss47ply]

To be clear (thought I was) that they will not immediately "pull the plug" on Odyssey. The servers will continue to run for some time I'm sure.

But they don't need to make an announcement or statement to just... quietly stop development. After all, they did that for the 2 years leading up to the Odyssey release, while the issue tracker was ignored.

FDev have other games, and people will be re-assigned within the company. That's my prediction, because they've made no commitment to any future development despite a) promising they would do so at the end of June and b) they've had ample opportunity to do so since then.

or the other games do well and they have to expand and offer more job offers and... yep the future does look bright. My auto repair business started with a floor jack 4 jack stands and a table.. now its a 40,000 square foot Wearhouse with 15 mechanics that allowed me to retire at 57 yrs old and receive a nice income to boot while playing elite all day if I wish

 

[Juniper]

Of course they wouldn't pull the plug on Odyssey today... Did I suggest that?

Yes. You said:

Frontier will probably pull the plug if Odyssey doesn't pay for itself... They will certainly make a statement of thieir intent if that is to be the case.

Odyssey is very unlikely to ever pay for itself, when you take into account the $400m share price fall (1/3rd of the company's value), the number of refunds, the lost consumer confidence that they may never get back, and so on. Add to that the additional development costs of actually making it an attractive piece of software to buy / play. It's become a lot more expensive & more of a money drain than anything Frontier have ever produced.

These are the things that will be pertinent when deciding whether or not to continue with E: D in the future, or just cut their losses and move on to F1, Warhammer and more dinosaurs.

Like I said before, I suspect that decision was made since before the alpha dropped, but absolutely nothing that has happened since is likely to alter that to our benefit even if it wasn't.

And they still refuse to confirm any future development.

So tell me, Frontier don't deserve anyone's faith due to their behaviour, what conclusion would you draw from all this?

I'll leave you with your prediction "people will be re-assigned within the company" - which is a little obvious, until a 'full team' is needed for any future project.

Sure. It's just a prediction, and predictions can be wrong. Hopefully this one is.

 

[Juniper]

or the other games do well and they have to expand and offer more job offers and... yep the future does look bright. My auto repair business started with a floor jack 4 jack stands and a table.. now its a 40,000 square foot Wearhouse with 15 mechanics that allowed me to retire at 57 yrs old and receive a nice income to boot while playing elite all day if I wish

Good for you, enjoy.

It would be nice to think that other games would pick up E: D's slack, and that there is still passion and direction & vision within FDev's offices for E: D, but I'm not seeing any of it.

Btw, the company has tripled in size since E: D was launched. Manpower isn't the issue.

 

[Shinji Ikari]

I wasn't - but, as is common practise here on the forum, you jumped in with a comment without fully reading the context. Never mind, it happens a lot - nothing new, bound to happen again & again in the future

The videos Yamiks made were about ED:O so that's the relevant context here.

 

[Shinji Ikari]

Both SC and ED are brutally tedious to watch, and almost none of the streamers have any kind of actually interesting skills or knowledge. Why would I watch a dude wait for a train for six minutes or fly in a straight line for ten more?

Escape from Tarkov, FS2020 and so on have either tension, excitement or professionally skilled and knowledgeable streamers. Of course people watch that instead.

What sort of knowledge do you expect to get from a streamer?

 

[alexzk]

What sort of knowledge do you expect to get from a streamer?

Yeh ...deep problem. I saw only 1 guy, he was doing vids about home astronomy for a year. Then stopped, last video was - I said all I could tell you, that's all. Feel free to browse archive.
I still use it 5 years later though.

 

[Shinji Ikari]

Yeh ...deep problem. I saw only 1 guy, he was doing vids about home astronomy for a year. Then stopped, last video was - I said all I could tell you, that's all. Feel free to browse archive.
I still use it 5 years later though.

Game streams I mean.

 

[alexzk]

Game streams I mean.

I dunno ...I don't watch it often. And only about games I do play.

 

[StuartGT]

To be clear (thought I was) that they will not immediately "pull the plug" on Odyssey. The servers will continue to run for some time I'm sure.

But they don't need to make an announcement or statement to just... quietly stop development. After all, they did that for the 2 years leading up to the Odyssey release, while the issue tracker was ignored.

FDev have other games, and people will be re-assigned within the company. That's my prediction, because they've made no commitment to any future development despite a) promising they would do so at the end of June and b) they've had ample opportunity to do so since then.

During the two years between Beyond Chapter 4 and Odyssey, we had four medium-sized updates:

Development Plans

Elite Dangerous has a massive scope and Frontier Developments have ambitious development plans. Frontier takes an iterative approach to Elite Dangerous content, gradually building upon features to expand and improve the game. During an interview at Lavecon 2015, David Braben stated that he had a...

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Development didn't stop, for either the live game or the new expansion.