Board flipping=exploit, how stupid, read on...

[Aaron T]

The fan boys are equating exploiting thew boards with the exploitation of women, and the exploitation of children, maybe the word exploiting is the wrong word here.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

Let's be consistent here. The game isn't designed for you to go to some website and find out exactly where to go for a material trader, or a certain module, or what commodity prices are in a station you don't have trade data for, or where to find this or that on which planet in a system you've never even visited.

3rd party tools are used to remove the insane amount of almost impossible grind it would take to make any money doing trading or other things if you didn't have tools to make it more efficient. Board flipping is just a tool available to us until someone takes it away.

Except FD deliberately built hooks into the game for the tool specifically to work. Some crossed the line and FD said as much (an autopilot and a planet coordinate navigator iirc) however inara and their ilk are officially supported by FD

 

[Stealthie]

You areen't trusted by your own people to carry a pocket knife are you?



Then that clearly explains your anger and need to twist folks words into your own narrative, because you have zero control of your own life, you have to live in lock step, so you feel a small modicum of control by trolling forums.

I feel your pain, but move on troll.

Maybe I was wrong.

I'm starting to think you do get to check in and out of reality at will. [where is it]

 

[Schmack]

I couldn't say one way or the other with certainty, but I seem to recall hearing a Frontier dev call it an exploit in their opinion, or something to that effect. I suspect that they might very well intentionally turn a blind eye to it, but I also don't think they want people playing their game that way either, if it can be helped, which for the time being at least, can't be, apparently.

I seem to recall memory scraping tools were banned, though only an indirect shot at the 3rd party marketing tool. It seemed the push back then was for the game to have the ability to filter in a way that renders the 3rd party tools obsolete - basically FD wants the steering wheel with these things, perhaps to have added content instead of 2nd best content. It could also be a financial decision based on possible future DLC though that would surprise me.

 

[Aaron T]

You operate within a set of rules we call "reality" though.

You don't get to log in and out of it (presumably) until you get a set of circumstances that allows you to complete a task effectively.

"Aaron, the client has insisted that we move up the deadline by a week!"
"Ah, relax, I'll just reality-flip until we get a client who's okay with the deadline sliding by a month"

I have never missed a deadline in my life.

You are something, you equate someone finding a way to shave 20 seconds off of a repetitive action thus saving 3 hours of needless crap over the course of a day, so more can get done and productivity is increased tremendously, with someone slacking and not doing their job.

You are just a fanboy in lockstep.

 

[Schmack]

Except FD deliberately built hooks into the game for the tool specifically to work. Some crossed the line and FD said as much (an autopilot and a planet coordinate navigator iirc) however inara and their ilk are officially supported by FD

They also built into the game the ability to mode switch.

I'm waiting for some semblance of differentiation.

 

[Aaron T]

I seem to recall memory scraping tools were banned, though only an indirect shot at the 3rd party marketing tool. It seemed the push back then was for the game to have the ability to filter in a way that renders the 3rd party tools obsolete - basically FD wants the steering wheel with these things, perhaps to have added content instead of 2nd best content. It could also be a financial decision based on possible future DLC though that would surprise me.

I just realized you use Inara, I love Inara, EDDB, and Coriolis, and the others.

 

[Aaron T]

I see the whole issue, there are a few players who do not believe in engineering, flipping for better jobs, using outside sources, etc, they view it all as a crutch.

They love ED in it's basic form, and anyone seeking an engineering advantage, an easier way of finding anything other than through the galmap alone, etc, are not hardcore elitists like them and they are going to lambaste and troll anyone not meeting their definition of what an ED player should be.

 

[Schmack]

The fan boys are equating exploiting thew boards with the exploitation of women, and the exploitation of children, maybe the word exploiting is the wrong word here.

There are many exploits commonly used in ED. When there's a severe trade imbalance after an update, running those lopsided missions is taking advantage of an unintended aspect, which is exploiting the game. I love those events tbh. I'm not a "spirit of gameplay" guy though, and I don't play in Open so I don't worry about it. Just enjoy your game. Don't worry about things that don't violate EULA and have fun. When you put out invitations for opinions you're likely to get a bunch you don't agree with, some more tactful than others.

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

When you say not intended by the developers, it's so obvious and so long known by now and they haven't started any attempt to do something against it, sorry but that's not a very convincing statement. Unless you want to suggest the devs are a little lala...

The devs have outright said the same thing, so are you suggesting the devs are lying, or something?

 

[verminstar]

I couldn't say one way or the other with certainty, but I seem to recall hearing a Frontier dev call it an exploit in their opinion, or something to that effect. I suspect that they might very well intentionally turn a blind eye to it, but I also don't think they want people playing their game that way either, if it can be helped, which for the time being at least, can't be, apparently.

The game was sold on the premise of playing it yer own way...not play the way the devs want us to play. To suggest the devs want us playing the game their way is a contradiction in terms.

It’s in the game...same as stacking missions...if it’s an exploit then it’s an exploit...exploits get fixed but not this one...ergo it’s merely an available tool nothing more.

If others wanna label it a cheat then it’s a cheat...doin 40 in a 30 zone is also cheating the traffic and I wouldn’t think twice about doin just that and much worse every single day...ye think I feel bad about it afterwards?

If one wishes to be pedantic about it then one can simply argue that I’m very much attracted to the current crime and punishment gameplay...how many criminals do ye know who play by the rules?

That too would be a contradiction in terms would it not?

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

I didn't say that, but if that's what the developers actually have stated it's the only conclusion I could come to. Please help me find a better one! I'm an approved fanboy you know, the least thing I want is insulting the devs...

Really?
What evidence do you have that they are lying?
You are suggesting it isn't true, it's a mutually exclusive situation.

There are many reasons why they might not even try to "fix" it.
It might not even be possible, while retaining the integrity of the modes.

The game was sold on the premise of playing it yer own way...not play the way the devs want us to play. To suggest the devs want us playing the game their way is a contradiction in terms.

It’s in the game...same as stacking missions...if it’s an exploit then it’s an exploit...exploits get fixed but not this one...ergo it’s merely an available tool nothing more.

If others wanna label it a cheat then it’s a cheat...doin 40 in a 30 zone is also cheating the traffic and I wouldn’t think twice about doin just that and much worse every single day...ye think I feel bad about it afterwards?

If one wishes to be pedantic about it then one can simply argue that I’m very much attracted to the current crime and punishment gameplay...how many criminals do ye know who play by the rules?

That too would be a contradiction in terms would it not?

What makes you think all exploits get fixed?
An unfixed exploit is still an exploit.

 

[WR3ND]

The game was sold on the premise of playing it yer own way...not play the way the devs want us to play. To suggest the devs want us playing the game their way is a contradiction in terms.

It’s in the game...same as stacking missions...if it’s an exploit then it’s an exploit...exploits get fixed but not this one...ergo it’s merely an available tool nothing more.

If others wanna label it a cheat then it’s a cheat...doin 40 in a 30 zone is also cheating the traffic and I wouldn’t think twice about doin just that and much worse every single day...ye think I feel bad about it afterwards?

If one wishes to be pedantic about it then one can simply argue that I’m very much attracted to the current crime and punishment gameplay...how many criminals do ye know who play by the rules?

That too would be a contradiction in terms would it not?

I would assume that they meant to play the game your way within the confines of what they consider to be legitimate gameplay. Either way, though, I'm not assuming it's a clear black and white issue here, nor even orange, purple, and green. Well, maybe purple.

What were we talking about again? Sorry, pulled an all-nighter working on fixing a computer for someone.

Oh yeah, what I mean is, I'm not completely convinced that Frontier's official stance on the issue (assuming they even have one) is that it isn't legitimate gameplay, as perhaps somewhat evident by the dev I mentioned calling it an exploit in their opinion, implying that it wasn't necessarily officially, making it an actionable offense, etc.

Well, either way, I would prefer that Frontier would incentivize intended gameplay, assuming of course that board flipping by mode switching to get missions that otherwise aren't available isn't intended gameplay. I'd find that a bit more compelling and engaging when looking for certain mission types myself. To each their own though.

Cheers.

 

[verminstar]

What makes you think all exploits get fixed?
An unfixed exploit is still an exploit.

Difference of definitions...I see it as a useful resource that makes life easier. Tis hard not to get the idea they actively support it by one very simple change they made with 3.0...they removed the timers on certain missions. Under the old system, stacking these missions may have led to a few of them being failed due to not meeting the deadline so stacking them was discouraged one could argue.

By removing the time deadline, its now childishly easy to fill the board and complete them all so long as ye do it inside 24 hours. If anything this could be seen as encouraging mission stacking and when stacking, one always flips the boards a few times to get the best options. And in terms of time spent doing it, I can flip the board twice before anyone trying a different station is even outta mass lock of the station they leaving.

The solution is quite simple...either remove it and fix the boards so theres no need to do it in the first place, or leave it where it is and deal with it like an adult instead of a 3 year stamping their feet at the injustice of it. I guess theres a lotta adults working fer FD while the 3 year olds run riot on the forums cos to me, it looks like they have moved on while certain forumites either cant move on or simply refuse to ^

 

[verminstar]

I would assume that they meant to play the game your way within the confines of what they consider to be legitimate gameplay. Either way, though, I'm not assuming it's a clear black and white issue here, nor even orange, purple, and green. Well, maybe purple.

What were we talking about again? Sorry, pulled an all-nighter working on fixing a computer for someone.

Oh yeah, what I mean is, I'm not completely convinced that Frontier's official stance on the issue (assuming they even have one) is that it isn't legitimate gameplay, as perhaps somewhat evident by the dev I mentioned calling it an exploit in their opinion, implying that it wasn't necessarily officially, making it an actionable offense, etc.

Well, either way, I would prefer that Frontier would incentivize intended gameplay, assuming of course that board flipping by mode switching to get missions that otherwise aren't available isn't intended gameplay. I'd find that a bit more compelling and engaging when looking for certain mission types myself. To each their own though.

Cheers.

In a perfect world, this was one the things I had hoped they would have fixed this year along with clogging...this being the year we were supposed to be getting some quality in those quality of life updates. Of course Id like to see it fixed but in the meantime, if it is an exploit or a cheat, then Id like to hear that from the horses mouth as it were not some 3 year old havin a tantrum cos they dont like some of the choices frontier leave un nerfed.

I keep hearing about how some dev called it an exploit...ye know Ive never actually seen that statement? Not an off the cuff remark, an actual statement of the fact as off the cuff remarks have been made before only to have them backtrack several months down the line.

Whatever...far as Im concerned they left it in the game either through not having a choice or because its a quick fix to something they cant make a better fix for...either way it serves a useful and time saving purpose. Or are such things not in the spirit of the game? Being useful and saving time I mean?

 

[Dbrn47]

I keep hearing about how some dev called it an exploit...ye know Ive never actually seen that statement? Not an off the cuff remark, an actual statement of the fact as off the cuff remarks have been made before only to have them backtrack several months down the line.

Dominic Corner said he considers it an exploit, but it isn't up to him to do anything about it. The only other thing I've seen said was they'd prefer if we didn't but wouldn't do anything about it.

 

[Dbrn47]

I believe it when I see it. And when I see it it's certainly a very sad statement about the status quo of the game.

I can try to dig it up in a bit, shouldn't be too hard with the search function, he doesn't post a lot.

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

Nope, not at all. That's just your interpretation and cheesy attempt of a little forum pew pew.

What do you mean not at all?
It is mutually exclusive, and they have no reason to lie, in fact, one could argue it's almost impossible.
You are trying to poison the well.

But how about a link where "The devs have outright said the same thing"? I'm not aware about that statement and in light of how happily you screw other people's words I wouldn't wonder if the true meaning of that statement was something entirely else as well.

They have said so many times.
It's the premise of the OP, LOL!
Maybe you should take your non-argument there?

We don't even need a quote, we can infer the conclusion.
It is obvious that board flipping is not "intended gameplay."
It also gives an advantage, ergo it is an exploit.

End of story.

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

Actually it's a red herring, because by your own "definition" it's even an exploit; eg they nerf mission board stacking all the time:

http://bfy.tw/J2cA

 

[Bob Lighthouse]

Heck, a blatant cheater got a singe day ban.
Oh em gee.

You are using fallacious goalposts.