Buying another computer to play this game

[Jankules]

Im running EDO on my Titan,and I have descent Fps....

Spec:
18,688 nodes (4 nodes per blade, 24 blades per cabinet), each containing a 16-core AMD Opteron 6274 CPU with 32 GB of DDR3 ECC memory and an Nvidia Tesla K20X GPU with 6 GB GDDR5 ECC memory. There are a total of 299,008 processor cores, and a total of 693.6 TiB of CPU and GPU RAM.

 

[Hooplah]

My only advice is don't cheap out on a cooler, preferably a good AIO cooler. I had a poor experience with a MSI cooler, replaced with a Corsair one and my idle temps went from ~55° and much higher (up to the throttling danger zone) to idling at 28° and never going above 45° during a torture test.

The only difference between the two was around $30, and the Corsair's pump actually connected to the power supply, instead of just the motherboard. Maybe it was just me failing to notice somewhere, but I looked on both boxes afterwards, and really didn't notice much difference between the two, like with power draw or similar. You'd think something that connects to the power supply would be advertised as "heavy duty cooling" or something, but no.

I've been running a Corsair H80 for eight years. Wonder if it is still working...

 

[Andro]

I've been running a Corsair H80 for eight years. Wonder if it is still working...

Highly recommend HWiNFO64 or similar to check your temps

 

[WR3ND]

I've been running a Corsair H80 for eight years. Wonder if it is still working...

Highly recommend HWiNFO64 or similar to check your temps

I use the software that came with my motherboard as it ties into the BIOS for some stuff, but yeah, I think even Core Temp and CPUZ type software can be useful at times.

Anyway, 8 years is a long time for an AIO, especially if it hasn't been maintenanced with fresh water, as the stuff in the stock water will permeate and evaporate out over time as well as start to break down and erode off some of the insides of the pump, tubing, and radiator.

After 6 years my H110 got clogged up with slightly yellow/green opaque sludge and little bits of dark brown, blue, and metallic looking sediment.

It's usually pretty easy to tell when they fail as temps will rise a lot as the liquid isn't circulating through. Assuming the pump is still running (as it was in my case) one of the tubes can be a lot warmer than the other.

For me when the AIO failed the CPU was idling around 60C, but running anything significant at all would cause it to spike up, and anything more demanding would cause the computer to crash, bearing in mind that I have a modest overclock so run the CPU a bit hotter than stock.

 

[rrobes]

If you build an F1 race car but you have to run it on 60 octane fuel and drive it in city streets, what's the point?

Wait till the game is brought to speed and then see what else can be done to make it better.

My rig is quite modest as are the peripherals (throttle, stick, headphones). Haven't even tried Odyssey, as I see that more advanced systems have issues with the game.

Will wait and see what shakes out.

 

[Drelthar]

AMD 6800 gfx card seems to work real nicely.

 

[Hooplah]

I use the software that came with my motherboard as it ties into the BIOS for some stuff, but yeah, I think even Core Temp and CPUZ type software can be useful at times.

Anyway, 8 years is a long time for an AIO, especially if it hasn't been maintenance with fresh water, as the stuff in the stock water will permeate and evaporate out over time as well as start to break down and erode off some of the insides of the pump, tubing, and radiator.

After 6 years my H110 got clogged up with slightly yellow/green opaque sludge and little bits of dark brown and metallic looking sediment.

It's usually pretty easy to tell when they fail as temps will rise a lot as the liquid isn't circulating through. Assuming the pump is still running (as it was in my case) one of the tubes can be a lot warmer than the other.

For me when the AIO failed I was idling around 60C, but running anything significant at all would cause it to spike up, and anything more demanding would cause the computer to crash, bearing in mind that I have a modest overclock so run the CPU a bit hotter than stock.

You might be right. My CorsairLINK software quit displaying the CPU temp and crashes whenever I click on anything. Per my body temp one H80i tube is a littler warmer, the other is a little cooler and the pump on the CPU has no temp I can tell. BIOS says the CPU is at 79C. Downloaded the free Open Hardware Monitor and with the PC idling at the desktop the six CPU cores report 90C. Not good.

I ordered a Corsair H80i v2 on Amazon which should install in minutes using the original brackets. Lucky after eight years Corsair has a drop-in replacement. Unlucky as it is in Europe to be shipped to the USA so will take awhile.

I don't have crashes just the CPU running 38-60 percent running ED. Then running ED and EDO uses only 6 Gb of RAM and it never changes! I haven't figured out why. Is the CPU not using RAM?

I'll plug in the new cooling system and see what happens. Maybe fix a PC issue. It doesn't fix other player issues with the latest greatest computers playing EDO. Thanks for the input.

Regards

 

[WR3ND]

That could explain it. I have my CPU cores all held at 4.2GHz whether idling or at load and with no throttling nor ramping up. Maybe yours is throttling itself so it doesn't fail but significantly lowers performance or something similar.

Not sure about the RAM as the CPU has to use RAM to process anything other than just what's in its cache, I suppose, but yeah, RAM is used via the CPU. Overheating shouldn't directly cause it to use more or less RAM though, unless maybe it crashes something.

Let us know how it goes! Cheers.

 

[simulacrae]

Well if aything… this thread has convinced me … time to replace the AIO

 

[Hooplah]

Well if aything… this thread has convinced me … time to replace the AIO

We'll see if cooling down the CPU helps. Maybe not. Running multiple Windows 7 pages WITHOUT starting ED or EDO my CPU is at 79C.

 

[Cohen the Worrior]

Well if aything… this thread has convinced me … time to replace the AIO

Are you getting another AIO? Which then? I was looking at Dell but in Belgium they come with a meh GPU.

 

[simulacrae]

Are you getting another AIO? Which then? I was looking at Dell but in Belgium they come with a meh GPU.

Apologies - i was referring to my old AIO cooler. I am also looking at putting together a new computer - but I will probably go the slow part by part approach … waiting for the magical day when GPU prices are reasonable again.

 

[Dragsham]

I've just landed a new job...less hours same pay. Which means more elite time. Yay!!
Temp defo has a marked effect on performance. But moreover its stability. And that's most important.
Only coop mode causes crashes now which isn't new

 

[WR3ND]

For reference for the OP, since he's using a 3930K too, my core temps are idling around 30-40C (as listed by RealTempGT) at 4.2GHz, 1.25 Vcore using my H110. Case ambient is about 22C.

I hadn't listed them before, just the external CPU temp. So yeah, 90C is definitely quite hot.

 

[GJ51]

Greetings,

My 2013 PC has issues playing ED. If I spend $5000.00 on the latest greatest gaming PC with an Intel I9 11900 CPU and the latest great series 3080 ti Nvidia card would my FPS get back to enjoying the game? Others who spent serious money are having problems after the latest updates. Some got serious spending a fortune dedicating a room to play the game. Meanwhile the Frontier Devs don't seem to have expensive 2021 computers to test and provide answers. Then maybe they do but have not come up with answers. I'm only guessing so never take my opinions as fact.

What would you do? Loving this game for 37 years or finally deciding enough is enough. Given Frontier with every update adds more problems across all versions launching the game. Maybe don't purchase that ultimate gaming computer until Frontier gives us an answer per some of the most expensive computers on the planet dealing with their current loss of FPS.

Here's my build which worked ok (50-100 fps) up to June 2021 then the FPS dropped to unplayable conditions. ED is at 2560x1440. Ultra, High or or lower doesn't matter. Recent editions in the last year were the graphics card, joystick and monitor. Not bad for an eight year old build playing ED up to this point. Now even the startup and options screens load very slow with an ISP providing 224 Mbps download and 25 Mbps upload. Still I don't discount my PC also has issues.

Intel i7-3930k Six-Core CPU (displays as 12 core)	Tt eSports Black Element 6500dpi gaming mouse
ASUS Rampage IV Extreme X79 motherboard	Razer Blackwidow Ultimate gaming keyboard
MSI GeForge GTX 1660 Ti 6Gb GPU	Saitek X-56 throttle and Gladiator NXT joystick
(2) OCZ Solid 3 490Gb SSDs (one for OS and another for games)	Logiteck G13 advanced gameboard
(5) Seagate Barracuda 3Tb-7200RPM Sata III drives	Sennheiser PC 363D 7.1 surround gaming headset
Corsair Vengeance 48Gb DDR3-1600Mhz RAM	Corsair SP2500 2.1 232 watt gaming speaker system
Corsair Hydro H80i liquid cooling	Samson G Track Pro desk microphone
Asus Predator X34 3440x1440 21:9 curved monitor	Windows 7 Pro

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Not a bad system -

I'd just start by getting a new video card and then see where that gets you.

 

[Mogen Teras]

I'll just reiterate what I've already said;

If you have other reasons besides EDO for upgrading your PC, by all means do it. But if EDO is your only reason for wanting to upgrade, do not do it. Many on this forum who have the hardware you are looking at have reported that even with the industry's top level consumer hardware, they get bad performance in EDO.

So it's not something you can get around by just brute forcing it.

 

[WR3ND]

Thought I might as well mention that on X79 motherboards there's an Nvidia patch to enable PCIe Gen. 3 as it isn't officially supported so Nvidia defaults to Gen. 2.

NVIDIA Support

nvidia.custhelp.com

Probably doesn't make much difference in performance, but I run the patch after every graphics driver updated anyway. Haven't had any issues with it that I'm aware of.

 

[Salonica]

Someone mentioned their AIO is eight (8) years old !! Wow.. Definitely time to get a new one.


Which one to get? One from one of thje main manufacturers and the biggest radiator you can fit in your case. The bigger the rad the more airflow over the coolant, the lower the temps. Bear in mind, if for example you move from a 240 to a 360, you need another fan. Also, fan performance is important. If the fan isn't pullling enough air in over the rad, it's useless.

Which.. Brings me neatly on to case temps. Which, is reliant on the airflow. Negative pressure and Positive pressure within the case has a direct influence on cooling as well. So ensure your intake fans and outtake fans are working and balanced. Too much intake and not enough outtake will cause problems as will the opposite.

Finally.. Check your air filters. The dustier your environs, the more these need to be cleaned.

 

[Hooplah]

Not a bad system -

I'd just start by getting a new video card and then see where that gets you.

I installed a MSI GTX 1660 Ti graphics card in Dec 2019 replacing much older dual MSI GTX 680s running in SLI mode. Note that Frontier never officially supported SLI mode with ED and I saw only one card being used. Other posts on the Forum suggested different opinions. Adobe products for professional audio/video used SLI back then which was how I was using it.

Meanwhile the 1660 runs X-Plane 11, X4 Foundations on Steam and ED great even in Ultra mode and I would recommend it for upgrading graphics cards on older PCs...until the prices went nuts. In 2019 it costs $279.99. Today that same card on Amazon costs $629.00 or more. What is the deal?

I considered upgrading my i7-3930k to an i7-9700k or maybe the i7-11700k but they don't like my LGA-1366 motherboard socket. Others are available. Even with a newer processor the older BIOS probably won't take advantage of it nor the slower RAM memory for any useful performance enhancements. So it's a CPU, Motherboard, RAM combo purchase which would be great to upgrade my system. But with the current ridiculous prices it is cheaper to purchase a dedicated gaming PC!

Still I have this Thermaltake Level 10 GT Full Tower ATX case with so many build options. Even their current Level 20 while looking prettier is lacking with the Level 10 having larger and more RGB lighted fans, 5 hot swap hard dives (build a server?) and lots of USB 2.0/3.0 ports.

Anyway posting ideas I've considered to help others who are thinking about upgrading. What to do...

 

[Hooplah]

Someone mentioned their AIO is eight (8) years old !! Wow.. Definitely time to get a new one.


Which one to get? One from one of thje main manufacturers and the biggest radiator you can fit in your case. The bigger the rad the more airflow over the coolant, the lower the temps. Bear in mind, if for example you move from a 240 to a 360, you need another fan. Also, fan performance is important. If the fan isn't pullling enough air in over the rad, it's useless.

Which.. Brings me neatly on to case temps. Which, is reliant on the airflow. Negative pressure and Positive pressure within the case has a direct influence on cooling as well. So ensure your intake fans and outtake fans are working and balanced. Too much intake and not enough outtake will cause problems as will the opposite.

Finally.. Check your air filters. The dustier your environs, the more these need to be cleaned.

Case temps are all very cool with the hard drives and everything else except for the CPU.

The Corsair H80i v2 has two large fans (now with RGB lighting) with what I would call the radiator in the middle. My v1 in 2013 has the same size fans with my PC running at 79C so I'll report on installing the v2. Personally I think that Corsair cooling systems are awesome. But maybe the v2 won't help dealing with my CPU processing 2021 games.

For my ED multi-crew I have three dogs who generate 'dog dandruff'. This collects on the blades of my high speed PC fans and filters. I have to clean it up every four months for good airflow. But the sudden drop of frame rates in June 2021 doesn't explain this. Something else with my PC is going on versus other players with the latest greatest computers playing ED or EDO having frame rate issues.

But I won't give up my multi-crew! As much as I love ED I love them more.

Regards