As an owner of fluffy cats that like sleeping on or around warm places, I can relate.
Buying another computer to play this game
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Most important : take it red. Red run faster than blue.
If you're looking at upgrading these days it's a solid option accounting for performance for price, though I have had a slight few more issues with AMD than Intel and Nvidia in Windows.
As others have said before though (and when the OP's cooling issues on the CPU are sorted), I'd likely as well consider upgrading the GPU first, assuming I could find a good one at a fair price these days.
The i7-3930K is still pretty solid and can usually fairly easily and stably be overclocked up to 4.6GHz with sufficient cooling and stable power. I run mine 4.2GHz usually though since I leave it up nearly 24/7, often for weeks and sometimes months at a time, and host some Debian based VM servers on it.
why would you upgrade?
read all the posts from those cmdrs that have already done so, only a few are happy about it, but none have any better video worth mentioning from doing so.
Fdev will eventually figure it out and fix it, hopefully(for their sake) before they run out of players and money.
if you want a test, try every game you can read about that is hard on a pc.
See if any of them play equally poor as EDO on your pc.
Afterwards you should easily be able to decide.
or join the who gives a \-/ crowd and walk away from the worst update to a game ever. and spend your money on something with a purpose or might at least have some lasting joy to it.
wouldn't it be impressive to see a video made by frontier with actual live witness's watching them play EDO on their best PC??
To have some proof that it really works and that the entire playerbase just all have crappy computers...
proof that it is playable, what a unique idea.
read all the posts from those cmdrs that have already done so, only a few are happy about it, but none have any better video worth mentioning from doing so.
Fdev will eventually figure it out and fix it, hopefully(for their sake) before they run out of players and money.
if you want a test, try every game you can read about that is hard on a pc.
See if any of them play equally poor as EDO on your pc.
Afterwards you should easily be able to decide.
or join the who gives a \-/ crowd and walk away from the worst update to a game ever. and spend your money on something with a purpose or might at least have some lasting joy to it.
wouldn't it be impressive to see a video made by frontier with actual live witness's watching them play EDO on their best PC??
To have some proof that it really works and that the entire playerbase just all have crappy computers...
proof that it is playable, what a unique idea.
I hadn't seen it like that
It was a joke because red light goes faster than blue light in water. So a red PC watercooled run faster than a blue one
It will not work, even on a $5000 pc. EDO is full of spaghetti code. Trust me, I built a monster PC for animation loads and I still get sub 30 FPS in EDO.
Oh? It must refract more.I hadn't seen it like that
It was a joke because red light goes faster than blue light in water. So a red PC watercooled run faster than a blue one
OK, fair enough. I thought you meant teams "RGB," AMD, Nvidia, and Intel.
Cheers.
I’ve got a 2017 vintage PC 1080Ti etc and ED in 2D is epic and very good in VR. You don’t need the latest stuff to enjoy ED.
Well... sure, but my AMD 6800 gfx card and Ryzen 7 5800X cpu run it great in all situations (and by great, I mean never below 60FPS - which is all I need as I'm on a 60Hz monitor. I think it would likely do 90 FPS too if I wanted to do VR)
So, yes, some set ups are dying for some reason FD can't figure out, and some systems just seem to have gotten lucky.
So what you said is right, the code has some kind of horrible mess going on, but it can work in some weirdly nebulous set of circumstances
(all above info is based on update 7.0, not played since)
LOL. Yes, my tower is running blue lighting. Good guess.
Now that my corsair H80i v2 has RGB lighting I'll set them to red.
Meanwhile the throttle, joystick, keyboard, mouse and game pad are all running green.
It's a Frontier: First Encounters thing...The Thargoids liked green back then.
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Let's hope that they find a solution.
The PC runs normally for hours then starts slowing down especially when dealing with the Internet. Stream a video and it can be choppy with serious lagging. Downloading an HD video the CPU goes to 100 percert. Running the HD video locally it is fine with the CPU pretty much idling at 2 percert.
Starting up the PC (cool temp) and launching ED still gets less that 25 FPS most of the time. X-Plane 11 which also connects to the Internet won't complete to the startup screen. Other programs run locally don't have issues until the CPU starts maxing out.
Restoro gave me a hit saying that Microsoft Edge is updating. I don't use this browser on Windows 7 so maybe should try to remove it.
More like the minimum suggested PC requirements would be better. But we can only dream.
I just purchased a Canon ring flash to go with my Canon DSLR and 100mm 2.8 macro lens to take pictures up close up at 1:1 ratio. It is the perfect setup if you want to be a Police homicide photographer with eTTL flash metering.. I can now take pictures of leaves, insets (don't care) and see the world up close from my Chihuahua's viewpoint. I'm having fun with this for now. Note the dog hairs on the first test pic.
Regards
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The red versus blue was a joke.
My i7_3930k stock at 3.2 Ghz I overclocked to 3.8 Ghz with the DRAM at 1300 Ghz. It has run nicely even with ED for years. I love ASUS Republic of Gamers hardware when it comes to dialing in a PC. I used to run it 24/7 until these issues started. Note that I have an Internet kill switch so that it is not physically connected to the network when I'm not around. I've known hackers who can find your IP address then delete your Windows folder for fun!
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aside from the edo real problem
your pc should not struggle just downloading HD anything.
I dl all my tv shows, I average 500gb a month, my main router used to get very hot and shutdown or reboot often
I have 3 routers and 2 5 port switches on all the time..i have a lot of devices.
if the router is getting bad blocks and failures, the pc keeps requesting, at a certain point the pc starts to spend too much effort on getting the data. you can watch this in the log of the router.
there are very many net devices that crater the hotter they get and most do not have fans and they should.
there are net devices that crater due to bad firmware and require constant resets to function at 100%, my newest ZTE 279 smarthub does both
it is counter fail in the firmware, very many zte owners are reporting this issue. It gets so hot that the battery shuts down, then the whole device becomes a paperweight till you shut it off and cool it down . it shouldn't, but it requires the battery to function. even though it is plugged in and charged or charging. remove the battery and it will power on, then right off again.
Linksys released several devices 5 years ago that crater often exactly the same as this zte, at a certain point the counters hit max and do NOT wrap or reset and dl/ul ratio go to 0%. at this point just accessing the GUI takes extreme patience, but it is fastest to simply power off, wait and repower.
the Linksys issue was so bad, I bought 6 different ones and finally bought an ASUS router to get away from the problem. that year I spent over $5,000 on routers just to get ripped off on all but 2 devices
I also installed fans in all of them to avoid the death by heat and the longevity by slow death by heat that is inherent in all of todays routers that have no fans.
I would buy a new router that has temp sensor and fan, just like a pc, they are required. But router manufacturers would rather we just keep replacing them.
As long as it is only the temp that causes it to slow or shut down, you can fix it by adding fans. since I have been doing this, I no longer have any router issues.
I have dozens of dead routers, all of them died for the same reason.
I have 3 very good routers that I put fans in, now 5 years old and still at 100%, this is a first for me and I am very glad I discovered why they kept dying.
just a thought and worth monitoring to see if its part of the problem you are having.
P.S. I should add that if you are not using a router, you should, otherwise you are doing the damage to your NIC instead, even if you use a router it doesn't hurt to add a fan on a desktop to keep the NIC or nic's cool. my gigabyte MB's have this because I do not want them fried either.
for a laptop, you can get cooling boards to sit it on, or like me when I am at home my MSI has 1 pc fan on its table on each side and one at the back all sucking air out. they are super quiet and you can feel the heat they are removing. as all my devices, I expect they will live much longer than the average users devices.
your pc should not struggle just downloading HD anything.
I dl all my tv shows, I average 500gb a month, my main router used to get very hot and shutdown or reboot often
I have 3 routers and 2 5 port switches on all the time..i have a lot of devices.
if the router is getting bad blocks and failures, the pc keeps requesting, at a certain point the pc starts to spend too much effort on getting the data. you can watch this in the log of the router.
there are very many net devices that crater the hotter they get and most do not have fans and they should.
there are net devices that crater due to bad firmware and require constant resets to function at 100%, my newest ZTE 279 smarthub does both
it is counter fail in the firmware, very many zte owners are reporting this issue. It gets so hot that the battery shuts down, then the whole device becomes a paperweight till you shut it off and cool it down . it shouldn't, but it requires the battery to function. even though it is plugged in and charged or charging. remove the battery and it will power on, then right off again.
Linksys released several devices 5 years ago that crater often exactly the same as this zte, at a certain point the counters hit max and do NOT wrap or reset and dl/ul ratio go to 0%. at this point just accessing the GUI takes extreme patience, but it is fastest to simply power off, wait and repower.
the Linksys issue was so bad, I bought 6 different ones and finally bought an ASUS router to get away from the problem. that year I spent over $5,000 on routers just to get ripped off on all but 2 devices
I also installed fans in all of them to avoid the death by heat and the longevity by slow death by heat that is inherent in all of todays routers that have no fans.
I would buy a new router that has temp sensor and fan, just like a pc, they are required. But router manufacturers would rather we just keep replacing them.
As long as it is only the temp that causes it to slow or shut down, you can fix it by adding fans. since I have been doing this, I no longer have any router issues.
I have dozens of dead routers, all of them died for the same reason.
I have 3 very good routers that I put fans in, now 5 years old and still at 100%, this is a first for me and I am very glad I discovered why they kept dying.
just a thought and worth monitoring to see if its part of the problem you are having.
P.S. I should add that if you are not using a router, you should, otherwise you are doing the damage to your NIC instead, even if you use a router it doesn't hurt to add a fan on a desktop to keep the NIC or nic's cool. my gigabyte MB's have this because I do not want them fried either.
for a laptop, you can get cooling boards to sit it on, or like me when I am at home my MSI has 1 pc fan on its table on each side and one at the back all sucking air out. they are super quiet and you can feel the heat they are removing. as all my devices, I expect they will live much longer than the average users devices.
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I just launched ED. 25 FPS. Then I launched X-Plame v11.55. It took 12 minutes starting a new flight with my Cowan Hughes 500 with the CPU running at 100 percent. Normally about 4 minutes. After getting into the Hughes 500 cockpit my CPU is at 21 percent but the sound is stuttering.
I'm connected to the Specrtum modem via a smart switch in the basement. I don't use a router to connect my PCs to the internet or to each other locally.
Any ideas?
I'm connected to the Specrtum modem via a smart switch in the basement. I don't use a router to connect my PCs to the internet or to each other locally.
Any ideas?
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could be almost anything
did you reboot between the 2 game launches?
ed has always had bad memory leaks
and a fair test for x-plane should be a fresh reboot.
if you have done that, I would try internet speed test
I would do a search in the boot drive for all large files and delete any of the bootcrash files aka *.hdmp files
if you see anything else you don't want or need, remove them too, just be careful, if you are not familiar with some, use google
if you can remove hiberfile and temp file, do so. I usually just set my temp file to system managed, reboot and set a min and max size to the same number, reboot, this removes the old and makes a new clean faster one, the set size I make, makes it not move around on the drive and grow and shrink.
I do not use hibernate, MS has never made it work correctly and if you use it, you will get cascaded file damage that windows cannot detect or repair
3rd party tools are required to fix windows self inflicted damage that windows cannot detect.
I would use a hirens disk and do a disk check and a defrag, after doing the temp file, this is a must because windows will not do it.
I do all this after every crash or if my pc is being sluggish.
I usually take about 2 hours to do it all, sometimes longer..
it bites, but its the only way to keep a windows install healthy
or if you have the best dos version of Norton ghost and have made some backups of the boot drive, it is very quick to re-install the boot drive using ghost and a good ghost backup.
if you have never used ghost, now is not the time, it can get complex, same with many of the hirens tools
often requiring you to disable sata in the bios to run many of the programs, including ghost
that said, also worth regularly checking that all your bios settings are still where they were set.
contrary to popular belief, both bios and firmware CAN get damaged..hence Gigabyte gives you 2 bios chips on their motherboards because they know very well it happens.
the first 2 years of ED caused almost daily crashes, so a lot of downtime for me almost daily.
did you reboot between the 2 game launches?
ed has always had bad memory leaks
and a fair test for x-plane should be a fresh reboot.
if you have done that, I would try internet speed test
I would do a search in the boot drive for all large files and delete any of the bootcrash files aka *.hdmp files
if you see anything else you don't want or need, remove them too, just be careful, if you are not familiar with some, use google
if you can remove hiberfile and temp file, do so. I usually just set my temp file to system managed, reboot and set a min and max size to the same number, reboot, this removes the old and makes a new clean faster one, the set size I make, makes it not move around on the drive and grow and shrink.
I do not use hibernate, MS has never made it work correctly and if you use it, you will get cascaded file damage that windows cannot detect or repair
3rd party tools are required to fix windows self inflicted damage that windows cannot detect.
I would use a hirens disk and do a disk check and a defrag, after doing the temp file, this is a must because windows will not do it.
I do all this after every crash or if my pc is being sluggish.
I usually take about 2 hours to do it all, sometimes longer..
it bites, but its the only way to keep a windows install healthy
or if you have the best dos version of Norton ghost and have made some backups of the boot drive, it is very quick to re-install the boot drive using ghost and a good ghost backup.
if you have never used ghost, now is not the time, it can get complex, same with many of the hirens tools
often requiring you to disable sata in the bios to run many of the programs, including ghost
that said, also worth regularly checking that all your bios settings are still where they were set.
contrary to popular belief, both bios and firmware CAN get damaged..hence Gigabyte gives you 2 bios chips on their motherboards because they know very well it happens.
the first 2 years of ED caused almost daily crashes, so a lot of downtime for me almost daily.
Maybe I missed it. Do you have a hardware based firewall of some sort? I'd generally recommend a router even just for that. Asus make some nice ones or even an extra computer can be made to be a firewall if you really want to fine tune your network security. I have a pretty basic network at home but have set up several nice aspects to it that I won't delve into too much here and bore everyone with.
But yeah, I like the Asus X79 motherboards too. Mine has served me well.
I basically run stock then load my RAM's XMP and then set the CPU clock multiplier up linked for all the cores and Vcore as needed. There might have been one or two other voltage tweaks as well, but nothing major. Of course the cooler will need to be sorted. I want to say 3.8GHz is the stock speed the 3930K will ramp up to as needed, but I just have it set to a specific rate and disable the throttling down and power saving features.
Cheers.
But yeah, I like the Asus X79 motherboards too. Mine has served me well.
I basically run stock then load my RAM's XMP and then set the CPU clock multiplier up linked for all the cores and Vcore as needed. There might have been one or two other voltage tweaks as well, but nothing major. Of course the cooler will need to be sorted. I want to say 3.8GHz is the stock speed the 3930K will ramp up to as needed, but I just have it set to a specific rate and disable the throttling down and power saving features.
Cheers.
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I think I will need an AMC Gremlin, with the hockey stick labels, and the Levi's interior to mount that dream rig in...
It would be a purple one, of course.
It would be a purple one, of course.
Just like stocks, real estate and other commodities, now is not the time to buy computer parts for a rebuild.
Given the current scarcity and high cost of parts due to worldwide shortages and scalping, it may cost you two to three times what it should cost in a reasonable economy.
Try finding any graphics card for retail MSRP, or a HOTAS controller of any kind at MSRP.
Processors, Memory, Storage and MB's seem unaffected at the moment, but it's all worthless without a good graphics card and controller.
Given the current scarcity and high cost of parts due to worldwide shortages and scalping, it may cost you two to three times what it should cost in a reasonable economy.
Try finding any graphics card for retail MSRP, or a HOTAS controller of any kind at MSRP.
Processors, Memory, Storage and MB's seem unaffected at the moment, but it's all worthless without a good graphics card and controller.
In my country rtx3070 card cost same as gaming 17" laptop with a rtx 3060 16gb ram 3200 ryzen 9 in it
Plus someone along the chip supply line is hoarding those chips TSMC produces.