Call to Arms for a Free Colonia

Rat Catcher

Rat Catcher
Isaiah Evanson said:
I can only speak for myself, but I've truly enjoyed the conflict thus far. It calls to mind the memories I have of doing Powerplay when it was still full of potential. The constant shifting of objectives, the diplomatic angle, the trash talk - it was always exciting.

My only wish would be that our enemies would express their enjoyment as well. I don't think I've seen a single person in their ranks say that they're having fun. I do hope they aren't taking this too seriously.
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A quick note from Ratkatcher:

Just as an aside, apart from the 1.5 billion credits made as spoils of war, about the only thing that comes to mind was the chuckles in chat as the wings I flew in were melting everything in sight, colliding with eachother and complaining about scratched paint (it may have been me doing that complaining...)

Knowing that we'd win the 4th day, I even flew out in the afternoon to visit a sector of interest, after all, there wouldn't be a 5th day to be bothered about.
 
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Rat Catcher

Rat Catcher
From Ratkatcher:

They have been working hard against the threat posed by a tiny group and their nameless helpers (apart from the names we know, and acknowledge).

Respect should be given that they follow their orders to the letter, ensure that the mandatory spreadsheet has all of the boxes ticked and that they take can even take time off from their regimented playtime to chat with our group.

It must feel like they are trying to herd cats currently - does their spreadsheet cover every piece of mischief possible in Colonia?

Yes, GG those of the AAA - We'll expect the next war in a couple of days as that must be on your spreadsheet "To-Do List" 🤷‍♂️
 
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CMDR Jal'Bur

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Seems to me their silence is deliberate. "Play to your strengths" sort of thing.
I think you guys are, again, making a fair few assumptions about them. You've got them beaten on the PR front, but on the BGS front they've been more successful. Three retreats and that expansion into Carcosa has got to be deliberate for whatever reason. You can't say what their plan or their goal is because they have not said anything about either of those things. Don't underestimate your opponents.
I would not assume too much, especially when your opponent stays silent. Why are they silent?
Don't assume they are not having fun either. It's easy for either side to say the other side are dithering idiots and it is probably far from the truth or one side would be winning easily. This conflict has provided the community with a community goal that's far better than the NPC CGs frontier can come up with. It takes two sides to have something like this. Why assume they are not enjoying it? If they did not, why are they still here after all these months?
Assumptions are the mother of all f-ups
 

Tharrn

Tharrn
CMDR Jal'Bur said:
Seems to me their silence is deliberate. "Play to your strengths" sort of thing.
I think you guys are, again, making a fair few assumptions about them. You've got them beaten on the PR front, but on the BGS front they've been more successful. Three retreats and that expansion into Carcosa has got to be deliberate for whatever reason. You can't say what their plan or their goal is because they have not said anything about either of those things. Don't underestimate your opponents.
I would not assume too much, especially when your opponent stays silent. Why are they silent?
Don't assume they are not having fun either. It's easy for either side to say the other side are dithering idiots and it is probably far from the truth or one side would be winning easily. This conflict has provided the community with a community goal that's far better than the NPC CGs frontier can come up with. It takes two sides to have something like this. Why assume they are not enjoying it? If they did not, why are they still here after all these months?
Assumptions are the mother of all f-ups
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Maybe you shouldn't make assumptions either. You don't happen to be part of AAAA (AAA Anonymous) by any chance)? ;)
 

Tharrn

Tharrn
CMDR Jal'Bur said:
Pray tell, what assumptions have I made in the above posts?
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"I think you guys are, again, making a fair few assumptions about them. You've got them beaten on the PR front, but on the BGS front they've been more successful. Three retreats and that expansion into Carcosa has got to be deliberate for whatever reason."

You make assumptions about the goals, which define "success".
 

CMDR Jal'Bur

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Well again, we don't know what their goals are because they have not said what their goals are.
As to your goals, to me it seems to be to preserve the shipyard in Carcosa and this idea of keeping Colonia free of the superpowers and bubble politics. Feel free to correct me on that.
I'm not assuming anything. I'm going on what you guys have said and I don't know what the other guys have said since they have not said anything.

I do think making the availability of superpower ships at the shipyard and keeping the superpowers out of Colonia a bit of a contradiction but whatever...potayto/potahto. I also struggle to see how all of this keeps Colonia free of bubble politics since LRCV has corresponding bubble factions as do the AAA factions. If anything this conflict is a continuation of bubble politics, but again, feel free to correct me on that.

The one thing I am sure of is this: both sides are having fun or they would have quit by now.
 

fishevi

fishevi
CMDR Jal'Bur said:
Well again, we don't know what their goals are because they have not said what their goals are.
As to your goals, to me it seems to be to preserve the shipyard in Carcosa and this idea of keeping Colonia free of the superpowers and bubble politics. Feel free to correct me on that.
I'm not assuming anything. I'm going on what you guys have said and I don't know what the other guys have said since they have not said anything.

I do think making the availability of superpower ships at the shipyard and keeping the superpowers out of Colonia a bit of a contradiction but whatever...potayto/potahto. I also struggle to see how all of this keeps Colonia free of bubble politics since LRCV has corresponding bubble factions as do the AAA factions. If anything this conflict is a continuation of bubble politics, but again, feel free to correct me on that.

The one thing I am sure of is this: both sides are having fun or they would have quit by now.
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For someone who is not assuming anything, you assume too much.

First, this thread is just last of many threads, which have been closed for "unknown reasons". Other side was not quiet in them, but was not able to justify their actions there either. So in this one they remain silent, better than be forced to lie, i guess.
Second, they have been vocal lately, but not here on forum, in this thread. There are in game chat sessions where they clearly articulate that this is personal and not roleplaying in game on opposite sides and that they dont care for any player/player group/faction/community and other in game assets they step on(mess up, destroy, conquer) while on their "righteous" campaign.
Then there's different discord channels, etc.
So if your source of information is this thread alone, I'm afraid you're poorly informed on this matter.

And if you're just trolling, that's ok, so are they most of the time 😉

Edit: I mean, do you even know who @Phisto Sobanii is?! 😂
 
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znôrt

znôrt
CMDR Jal'Bur said:
because they have not said what their goals are.
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they did, afaik, a while ago and it was something in the lines of 'cleaning colonia of scum'. that might have changed.

your advice about silence being deliberate is very wise. underestimating opponents is a shortcut to disaster. regarding the advances made in bgs, though ... well, while they're sound they're also a phyrric victory since the nameless are native to carcosa. even control of carcosa is something they will have to invest heavily into maintaining. this has worked out pretty badly more often than not for military powers irl, but at least there was a chance. there isn't any in the current bgs.

my personal impression (as an outsider with limited information) ... both their silence and the bgs move point to them just trying to save face, but this chapter will not be easy to bring to a closing and they know it, so maybe they're preparing their position for an eventual negotiation. you know, playing on fait accompli with a public grandilloquent goodwill pose. fits the situation and their ethos.

i would encourage the nameless to not negotiate anything with these jerks. 🤪
 

fishevi

fishevi
STAR O You NO said:
Who is actually winning this war? The nameless have won both conflicts but spear have been winning at bgs.

With the upcoming CG coming back I think both sides will lose the extra hands
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I think I can freely say that there in no win-win situation here.
Loren's Reapers support The Nameless and "defend" Robarding Rock in some Lore and RP terms, but as a group of people/players we don't feel we need to win anything. We just have a blast playing.
We are free to do whatever we want individually, defend or attack whoever, go to bubble or exploring, grind BGS or not, etc. Hence Anarchists 😁

Example: there is a cmdr, playing Elite for years. He was ready to retire/quit, he was bored. Then he heard about all this, saw that there's still some good player made content and nice respectful community to play with. So he didn't retire. He joined the fun. He joined Reapers.
 

CMDR Jal'Bur

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How do you know they have not got a plan for Carcosa? I said above that the expansion of SECD into the system has got to be deliberate for whatever reason. Obviously you can't retreat a native faction. Everyone knows that. Do you think they don't?

I think the BGS side of things has been very interesting. Sure, they lost two wars in Carcosa but BGS is a long game. The war state is just a state. It lasts a week at most. I think I have said before on one of these threads that it's the group that has staying power that wins in the end in a player opposed conflict. I really suspect there is something else to come here.

As to the allegation they are "cleaning Colonia of scum", that would certainly count as motive and a goal. Would love to see a screenshot of that. To be fair though, I've seen screenshots using similar language from Phisto and Isaiah on their drippyleaks thread, so at best all this says is both sides think the other side are the baddies (huge suprise there) and if true it seems AAA are role-playing too.

Looks to me like both sides are having fun.
 

znôrt

znôrt
staying power. you think a mini empire with assets all over the galaxy has more staying power than an irreductible group of space anarkogauls defending their own home, from which they cannot possibly be driven away.

cool story, bro. it seems to me that you are familiar with the goals after all, and not so neutral as you want to portray yourself. so regarding screenshots please kindly do your own research from now on. i'm just an opinionated spectator wishing you good luck. no. really, i don't :p

🍿
 

CMDR Jal'Bur

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Well...in their minds...not scum...duh.

Overall? I don't know. Spear role-play being cops. It does not suprise me in the slightest that cops think robbers are scum or that robbers think cops are scum. De-humanising your enemy is hardly suprising and I think you are all guilty of that. But AAA is clearly more than Spear. I think Spear latched onto this conflict more for their role-play purposes rather than being a driver behind it. Maybe they turned the temperature up but hey, it takes two to tango. This conflict is older than Spears involvement from everything that has been said on the forums.
 

CMDR Jal'Bur

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Chill znort. I don't have a beef with you. Say whatever you want about me. I'm not picking a fight with you. If you don't like what I say...maybe you should find a nice echo chamber. This is a forum.
 
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