I really can't believe Frontier didn't see this coming with the challenges. They're really ill thought out. It's like someone last minute said "You know what would be cool, community challenges" and then it was asked what they'd be and they said "Well ummm..... I didn't think my idea would make this far. You know what breed and release animals but don't make it easy set the number at like 100,000 haha" and then with that, community challenges were born with no actual thought behind them.
Can we stop calling it a community challenge?
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And Wolfen have set a minimum decency standard for it! Imagine how are the “good” (aka profitable) puppy mills...
This is what the game is promoting right now. Exactly this (and much, much worse than Wolfen’s; which at least makes an effort to not inbreed the animals and have them with more than the bare minimum).
Inbreeding isn't inherently bad. It just concentrates the genes, good and bad. Yes, over times intense inbreeding can cause a lot of issues. But some careful inbreeding followed by out breeding isn't harmful. In the real world breeding parent to offspring is often used to 'lock in' desired traits. Sibling to sibling is normally avoided. But some inbreeding doesn't cause infertility. I know they simplified things for game reasons.
I think people like skip over the fact that almost every pedigree/farm animal is the result of a considerable amount of inbreeding somewhere along the line.
Yes indeed, but i doubt the animals care, they have high welfare and no moronic people who are staring at them.
Its no concentration camp like i imagine the normal puppy farms.
The only challenge here is to be able to research all needs and be able to make the habitats perfect
as well as setting everything else up before you go down moneywise.
Source: https://imgur.com/IMHg7Vn
Bears are the happiest furballs you can imagine in my zoos.
Ofc that doesn't changes the fact that this is plain and stupid gamedsign that reminds me on games 20 years ago.
Well actually i have set the maximum welfare standard for the animals.
They are over-cared by double as much staff as you could afford normally, got an overkill on enrichment and level 3 food.
It looks like shyt for humans, but what do i care for humans.
Since i saw the behavior of the visitors, aka care only for mass consumption and vandalize everything if they don't get their crap (very realistic made),
they're disgust me almost as much as most real people do, so i quite enjoy them running away from my entrance.
Into the hopefully dead cold of the antarctis where this is built.
Source: https://i.imgur.com/gTCarBG.png
They're shall not pass... 200$ as ticket price is better than barbed wire.
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I haven’t been able to participate nor want to now. Everything on the market is overpriced by players and then what am I supposed to do? (As a non-puppy mill player) Release a couple of babies and get the lowest tier rewards? After spending so much to get a pair for the challenge?
Might as well not participate, keep building my zoo and wait for a community challenge for an animal I already have in my zoo.
Might as well not participate, keep building my zoo and wait for a community challenge for an animal I already have in my zoo.
It is really not worth your time, nor would it be mine, but i was curious how far one could go.
After my now roughly 200 hours ingame i still love the zoo building part, but overall what they are doing here with the franchise/"community" thing is nothing but cheap pr-pushing with horrendous numbers to
keep youtube busy in my eyes.
The beauty-builders like Geekism and Co are showing the best part of this game, what we see here is the worst.
Once again. Frontier sells animals for players with limited CC - We keep having this brought up every single event. If you want to save time or get an animal with decent stats, buy a bear from a player. If you can't afford or don't want to buy player sold animals, refresh and buy Frontier ones. The listings seem to be personal - I just tabbed back into the game and bought one of those bears a good 10 minutes after I had refreshed the window (no way it would still be available if other people could buy it). You also have to refresh a while before they pop up - don't expect to see them instantly.
Maybe Frontier needs to list more animals during an event. Maybe Frontier needs to list animals with better stats. Maybe they should make a separate animal market just for listing Frontier animals (my personal preference). But they do list them, and they even list the bears at about $4000 for a reasonable pair (rather than CC like the last events).
As has been said, the rewards are completely not worth your time or effort, but that's another argument entirely.
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More important, the rewards and the kind of (dull) effort you have to put into this doesn't fits.
Costumes are for beauty-players who are happy when their avatar looks funny... i guess.
The min-max players who actually enjoy this stupid grind usually doesn't give a crap about such things.
I just went that far because i wanted to see how broken the balance of some mechanics are... i guess i know now.
But at least there are so far 171 happy bears born here.. still standing 0.97
I guess a normal minded player has to spent a complete real life week ingame to fulfill 1.0
I will continue to 200 bears and then i finish this bullshyt.
Costumes are for beauty-players who are happy when their avatar looks funny... i guess.
The min-max players who actually enjoy this stupid grind usually doesn't give a crap about such things.
I just went that far because i wanted to see how broken the balance of some mechanics are... i guess i know now.
But at least there are so far 171 happy bears born here.. still standing 0.97
I guess a normal minded player has to spent a complete real life week ingame to fulfill 1.0
I will continue to 200 bears and then i finish this bullshyt.
I think this image speaks volumes. The amount of CC coupled with the "amount" of money and the overall zoo layout - should convince devs that something is wrong with how franchise challenges work.
Its just bollockz that it doesn't matters how far you are in the minus.
The managment part is a bad joke really.
In 20 years old tycoon games you went bankrupt if you didn't took care for your costs.
Here everyone is happy, you can pay your employees, you can even hire new ones.
I could have 50 keepers instead of 12.
Considering that franchise mode was advertised as the main feature... nah, i don't want to bother further with that.
That been said, i got most of the CC from closing my mainzoo i worked ca 100 hours on (the animal food cost bugs was just more than i took take), and then accidently deleted the savegames
of most of my smaller zoos... what made me lost everything but the CC the hundrets of animals i had was worth (no puppy mills, good working, lucrative zoos).
That was a bunch of CC, because i had cared ingame-decades for them and had therefore a high quality.
I think i made 150.000 CC with the few times i tried that milling-madness here out.
But then again i take care that the animal welfare is at max in those things, i think people who give a crap about the virtual furries must have
millions of CC now.
Oh and btw, the layout is actually not the worst in a normal zoo, too.
(if you play the so-called managment gameplay aka franchise it is)
You have happy animals and visitors here, its just plain ugly.
I was trying desperatly to find a way to stay alive despite the complete unpredictable animal food jumps.
The only answer was maximal efficiency (what is, btw, the mindset prisons are built, hence the optical similarity).
Here you see an early build of a almost-five-star-rating in everything zoo with happy lion, tortoise, girafe, komodo dragon, african bison, etc populations.
In a year with low animal food jump its making 50.000$ +
In a year with high animal food jump its making maybe 5.000$ or at least no losses.
Oh where we are at things that goes wrong this zoo has
4 mechanics
10 keepers
3 vets
4 caretakers
3 securitys
to keep it running...
and 24 vendors to feed the greedy zombie horde that is ironically called guests here.
(if you play the so-called managment gameplay aka franchise it is)
You have happy animals and visitors here, its just plain ugly.
I was trying desperatly to find a way to stay alive despite the complete unpredictable animal food jumps.
The only answer was maximal efficiency (what is, btw, the mindset prisons are built, hence the optical similarity).
Here you see an early build of a almost-five-star-rating in everything zoo with happy lion, tortoise, girafe, komodo dragon, african bison, etc populations.
In a year with low animal food jump its making 50.000$ +
In a year with high animal food jump its making maybe 5.000$ or at least no losses.
Oh where we are at things that goes wrong this zoo has
4 mechanics
10 keepers
3 vets
4 caretakers
3 securitys
to keep it running...
and 24 vendors to feed the greedy zombie horde that is ironically called guests here.
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not really. a huge majority of those endangered animals being bred and returned to the wild are inbred with 0% fertility and 0% immunity, due to puppy mills just inbreeding for quicker numbers born. Those are of no help to wild populations, if anything they're going to HURT wild populations because you're putting inferior genes into the gene pool
it's actually worse for it than good, becuase that 0 immunity will be spreading in the wild population
Good point. I'd support eliminating inbred animals from counting towards the goal.
Well besides that, people forget the cause of the endangerment.
The main problem is that their natural biosphere is destroyed by planet cancer (homo sapiens).
When you set more animals free than the nature thats left can feed, they will starve and die pityful.
Thats not different than the human suffering in africa, a biosphere that is made to feed small tribes, not a billion people.
