The projectiles or rockets make sound on impact. This is not covered by mods. Mods cover only the source of projectile AKA your position. If NPCs hear the impact/explosion they will start looking around. Then the basic detection rules apply. I think this was obvious in the video I've linked few posts earlier.
Cant wait for Combat 2.0
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yep, thats what i was assuming after watching it.
and lets be honest, a rocket has a really really big impact
im glad that it isnt covered by that mod. silent rockets and explosions are warframe territory xD
would be interesting to see how groups react to kills though. do they become alert all at once, or just the one who got shot?
Agreed except for Audio masking, where neither the rocket firing nor the impact make any sound whatsoever. As soon as you remove that from the equation, you're free to go ahead and make audio masking do whatver you like, including making the impact not register to our suits. Because it's all simulated (and, I repeat, the idea that a mod on our weapons can somehow prevent some weird universal communication between weapons and suits that actually makes "sound simulation" a reality is so vastly removed from reality that I don't think it matters).
So, I agree that choosing an L6 immediately means you're not looking for a stealth option and there's really no benefit to even considering Noise Suppressor as a viable option for this choice of loadout but... the potential for drawing a hard gameplay line for how we utilise the concept of simulated sound is something that could have been better explored.
Not least the idea that, in CZs, we can see every single player at all times with the red dots. That's a bad impementation that could be done better, too and should have been based entirely on sound or simulated sound. As it stands, these two mods are 100% PVE mods. Not a major issue. Still an issue. The red dot/triangle thing is an oversight (unless human opponents don't show? But then that's just misleading)
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Perhaps someone in 3307 made a breakthrough and found a way to increase the effect of negative sound over distance.
This is common technology even in 2021 but it is largely affected by range of sound propagation.
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Preface: I have NOT used the two SMGs so far. So far, my "battle combo" is the Aphelion & the Intimidator.
But shouldn't their handling be better, resulting in faster switch-times between both weapons? Isn't this (including the larger magazine size) also an important weapon characteristic and the mere focus on DPS a too limited point of view?
(EDO is my first(!) FPS I've ever played. So please bare with my limited knowledge. Hence it's a genuine question!)
But shouldn't their handling be better, resulting in faster switch-times between both weapons? Isn't this (including the larger magazine size) also an important weapon characteristic and the mere focus on DPS a too limited point of view?
(EDO is my first(!) FPS I've ever played. So please bare with my limited knowledge. Hence it's a genuine question!)
Space magic - does it require to choose or swap out the mod when you enter/exit the building?
If you want full supression, you need both mods, or two weapons with one each inserted. This is actually pretty decent as it is though. Most players probably want the Noise Suppressor because most of what people need to do quietly happens inside. Audio Masking will be useful for scav killing silently (hence why I want it so much). But, there have been lots of times I wished I had Audio masking and didn't, usually when anarchy guards start to scan me and I just want to kill them. Shooting them without audio masking invariably results in attention. This will be a non issue when I get that mod (one day when smear campaigns are fixed).
What I'm saying is that most people will do just fine with one but the complete "stealth" package requires both. And I think it's flippin' superb that way. Two whole mod slots taken up by a player choice to play a certain way and not a single Rapid fire/overcharged mod in sight.
I find the "audio masking" stretching my disbelief a bit much, but the inside suppression makes sense if there's pressure.
yeah thats also an important characteristic.
personally i wish the Dominator would be entirely different.
Instead of two primary Slots, i would have wished for more Heavy Weapons that are Domi-Exclusive, just like the Tools are Suit Exclusive.
Rocket Launcher, Chaingun, Rail Rifle...in addition to one medium SMG.
Well written and thought out OP, though I do feel it focuses a little too much on the weapon balance side of things. My biggest issues ATM are frankly the mechanics and implementation that they've chosen. It frankly feels like it was made by people who have never done an FPS before. Which... Makes sense, as they havnt to my knowledge. Still, it feels lifeless and barebones at best, and what it has "tried" hasnt worked out to it's favor.
This right here is my biggest single problem, and it would almost be excusable if the weapon swap wasnt so terribly slow. In most FPS, if you're swapping weapons, it's because you're preparing to handle an engagement your currently equipped weapon isnt suited for... But that's not what Odyssey does as it's something you have to do constantly, and it feels too slow and clunky. It breaks up the flow and often times can feel outright blatantly disruptive.
The worst part is that if you dont manage to take them out in time (say, having to take cover), theres a good chance their shields will come back up, and now you have to swap again, and then once more, all for a single target.
The result of which is overly encouraging players to just bringing plasma weapons so you dont have to deal with that. Which as you mentioned have their own problems, namely their insane travel time. While I actually like the plasma weapons the most (they just feel the best mostly due to not having to swap), every time I pull the trigger I'm more oft than not literally just hoping that they walk into it. Which they usually do, but thank god that the AI isnt smart enough to intentionally juke.
While this isnt directly related to the ground combat, it is something that is... Irksome, to put it oh so mildly. I've survived extended firefights with multiple other vessels bearing a multitude of anti-ship grade weapons, but a couple dudes with handguns taking potshots at me is enough to ward me off? Lul wut? It just doesnt make any sense and is absolutely ridiculous and if it continues to stand will probably kill any potential of combined arms style gameplay. This was actually something I was very much hoping to see on the roadmap as something to be changed. If they're concerned about players bringing their ships into ground combat, create appropriate countermeasures. Planetside 2 has lots of good ideas in this department, from AA turret mounts to umbrella shields for starters.
I'm personally still waiting for Combat 1.0. I disagree that it needs a rework, because they havnt even really "worked" with the system as it is. It feels more like a framework to hold larger, more in depth systems. Buuut then again, I'm not holding my breath, seeing as ED as a whole is a massive skeleton framework that I wish they'd start putting actual meat on.
This right here is my biggest single problem, and it would almost be excusable if the weapon swap wasnt so terribly slow. In most FPS, if you're swapping weapons, it's because you're preparing to handle an engagement your currently equipped weapon isnt suited for... But that's not what Odyssey does as it's something you have to do constantly, and it feels too slow and clunky. It breaks up the flow and often times can feel outright blatantly disruptive.
The worst part is that if you dont manage to take them out in time (say, having to take cover), theres a good chance their shields will come back up, and now you have to swap again, and then once more, all for a single target.
The result of which is overly encouraging players to just bringing plasma weapons so you dont have to deal with that. Which as you mentioned have their own problems, namely their insane travel time. While I actually like the plasma weapons the most (they just feel the best mostly due to not having to swap), every time I pull the trigger I'm more oft than not literally just hoping that they walk into it. Which they usually do, but thank god that the AI isnt smart enough to intentionally juke.
While this isnt directly related to the ground combat, it is something that is... Irksome, to put it oh so mildly. I've survived extended firefights with multiple other vessels bearing a multitude of anti-ship grade weapons, but a couple dudes with handguns taking potshots at me is enough to ward me off? Lul wut? It just doesnt make any sense and is absolutely ridiculous and if it continues to stand will probably kill any potential of combined arms style gameplay. This was actually something I was very much hoping to see on the roadmap as something to be changed. If they're concerned about players bringing their ships into ground combat, create appropriate countermeasures. Planetside 2 has lots of good ideas in this department, from AA turret mounts to umbrella shields for starters.
I'm personally still waiting for Combat 1.0. I disagree that it needs a rework, because they havnt even really "worked" with the system as it is. It feels more like a framework to hold larger, more in depth systems. Buuut then again, I'm not holding my breath, seeing as ED as a whole is a massive skeleton framework that I wish they'd start putting actual meat on.
True, true. Enemy AI and Movement would be other Parts that come to my Mind.
I made this Topic about Weapons because they are such a huge Part. You need them for 2/3 of Odyssey Content. Only Artemis doesnt need them (yet)
What? Of course they do. Stability & Hip Fire increase accuracy enough to lower TTK. Faster Handling, Faster reload, Stowed reload, etc. all have an impact on combat. Damage per shot is only one important stat. The OP has missed out clip size - and this is where the SMG outclasses the AR.
Edit: OP is also missing RoF - which is much better for the SMGs.
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Not if you have been hit in head. I strongly suspect that there is more then only headshots damage bonus… probably same as in Cod. Head/upper chest/ stomach/limbs
Executioner headshot damage is x3. But even grade one will kill grade 1 unshielded dominator by hitting the chest or any other not head part.
And my question about OP is still unanswered.
Who can do 10 shots in 1 sec with Karma P-15. That base DPS 14 is a joke. I told you those stats are borked.
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I think it is depends on what kind of the DPS is mentioned.
DPS as …. Damage per second
or
DPS as …. Damage per shot.
That is I think a real question here
With how much impact weapon switching has on TTK, and how the enemy is happy to bumrush you anyway, I've a feeling SMGs are actually the way to go. Their DPS isn't much lower than rifles but their weapon switch time is considerably better.
You have damage per shot of Karma P-15. It is 1.4. The value bellow for rate of fire says 10 shots / second. That is impossible! That's why I am telling you that those stats are pure B S there is no way that pistol to do 14 damage per second.
Laser pistols is same 6.7 shots / second.
I dunno, might have to try plugging in something with autofire and see what that can do with a pistol.