Carnivorous Space Elves AKA The Guardians

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CMDR Dreamstate

CMDR Dreamstate
BluWolve said:
Ancient astronauts could definitely make sense. They could have created humans for a source of meat, or for a hunt. I believe this to be more likely than the guardians being benevolent beings who want to spread the love. From what I gather they were a fearsome species, who looked down on other less advanced species. I doubt they expected humans to turn out the way we did. I wonder if our evolution to what we are in 3303 would have made the guardians respect us, or be ashamed?

Another thing that I just remembered that may be worth looking back in to - the mysterious entities mentioned only as "the creators". I will have to do some research to refresh my memory and connect any dots now with all this new info. However one thing that sticks out in my mind was when Jasmina Halsey disappeared, she said that she saw some kind of paradise that she believed we needed to find.

I never gave it much thought before, but after reading about the Guardians use of AI to create virtual spaces, could this not be what she saw? Perhaps she was rescued by a guardian AI hybrid, who showed her these amazing things using technology so advanced to her it seemed like an spiritual vision.

I'm going to try and chase up some of these older articles concerning Halsey, Jaques and Palin. See if anything stands out as possibly connected to the guardians.
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Some excellent points :)

I think you're right, they would have looked down on their creations, for sure. If any of this has any merit, then I think it would be wise to assume that they could have taken some modified chimps/apes (Homo Erectus) back to their bubble in order to breed them and fight them in hunts - they are carnivorous, and they did take delight in the hunt and presenting the hunted prey to their friends or family at gatherings.

Sort of like a mash-up of Predator :D only more human-looking than a Predator, but if more so naturally deadly (having evolved sharpened forearms - Predators had lots of high-tech, but nothing else except brute strength).

I defo think that she (Halsey) was shown something like a "paradise" in some form, be it a hallucination in close proximity to them or, more likely, if she has some sort of cybernetic implants (this is 3303 and humans do use them) that is a part of/connected to her brain, then they could well have "interfaced" with her implants via wireless - thus making these visions transferable!

It would certainly explain her sudden obsession...
 

BluWolve

BluWolve
CMDR Dreamstate said:
Some excellent points :)

I think you're right, they would have looked down on their creations, for sure. If any of this has any merit, then I think it would be wise to assume that they could have taken some modified chimps/apes (Homo Erectus) back to their bubble in order to breed them and fight them in hunts - they are carnivorous, and they did take delight in the hunt and presenting the hunted prey to their friends or family at gatherings.

Sort of like a mash-up of Predator :D only more human-looking than a Predator, but if more so naturally deadly (having evolved sharpened forearms - Predators had lots of high-tech, but nothing else except brute strength).

I defo think that she (Halsey) was shown something like a "paradise" in some form, be it a hallucination in close proximity to them or, more likely, if she has some sort of cybernetic implants (this is 3303 and humans do use them) that is a part of/connected to her brain, then they could well have "interfaced" with her implants via wireless - thus making these visions transferable!

It would certainly explain her sudden obsession...
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Damn, thinking along those lines... If Halsey did so happen to have some sort of connection with some form of the guardians via AI, it could have possibly infected her like a virus, or she could of willingly accepted a merging of consciousness. They could already be among us, in positions of power working towards their own agendas. What was all the publicity stuff about "They are already here" I remember?

Whether it would be a good thing or a bad thing is the debate that caused the guardians to destroy themselves. Will humans be faced with this same issue in the near future?

If any of this is true, it could also explain my suspicions that the Unknown ship are all man-made - based on alien tech. What better way to access the alien tech than to have their information accessible in your head...

Need to think on this more, deep stuff.
 
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BluWolve

BluWolve
CMDR Dreamstate said:
New section added: President Halsey - Close Encounter of the Third Kind?
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Nice work, I wonder how much Halsey actually knows? She could be a puppet but she seems in awe and wonder about the whole situation which makes me think she is more than willing to work with these beings. This was posted in the canon thread and makes me again think to the Guardians AI, but gives a completely different reaction ;

Sajime Chent-Shi said:
Greetings CMDRs. In the course of unrelated investigations, I recently stumbled upon a new set of listening posts, and was able to triangulate the location of a new site of interest. Now that I have been able to confirm it is not connected to confidential research, I am pleased to share the details with the greater community. Hopefully this leads to new connections and discoveries by the fine minds here.

Listening posts were found in orbit of: Temnet A 1, Col 285 Sector OR-F b26-2 A 1, Col 285 Sector YC-F b26-9 A
Triangulated location is: HR 6890 A 1, 23.173738 lat, 97.412331 lon

The site itself is a small installation identified as Transmitter VJS-81, consisting of one comms tower and a few other pieces of technical equipment. Miscellaneous parts and materials are scattered around. One central data point is scannable, yielding an Abandoned Settlement Location Data Package with approximate value of 168,000 credits. Three comms log uplinks are found to contain brief messages originating from an unknown location, describing the experiences of one "Sleeper" who appears to be suffering uncontrollable out-of-body experiences. Very little is known about the authenticity or source of these messages.

Images here: http://imgur.com/a/a2lB7
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Although whoever had this experience reacted much differently to Halsey or Jaques, it still could be the same thing that happened to them all.

This "choice" on the 29th that is being put up around the forums - now this could be considered a bit of a stretch :) - what if the choice is between;

1. Working with / giving ourselves over to these AI for the knowledge and betterment of the human race.

or

2. Refusing AI assistance and retaining free will - fighting the AI and those that accept them.

A similar and disturbing tale to the guardians history, lets hope history doesn't repeat itself and these thoughts are just crazy speculation by a tired old spacer haha :)
 

EdzUp

EdzUp
They might look like this:

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If they do im leggin it :)
 

SeeZaa

SeeZaa
Ziljan said:
sorry man but did you see the pictures you drew?

I mean common man. You basically drew a sex fantasy alien with huge tatas, and now you're trying to back it up with logical "reasons". I think it's time to drop the intellectual and scientific pretense.

You want the guardians to be slutty humans with pointy bits here and there? That's what it boils down to. It's not wrong to want these kinds of things. But it is wrong to expect them.

If Frontier takes the semi-pornographic anime route, I think most people will be disappointed. It's just not realistic for aliens to be physically attractive. Only a small % of the human race is universally sexually attractive to other humans. No other species on Earth is sexually attractive to humans. Why in the name of science would a species that has 0% DNA in common be magically sexually attractive to humans???

Just No.
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while i'm definitely more inclined to visualise them as something that resembles an Undine, rather than a human, that's just because i think the Undine are the most interesting alien species, in a world of different foreheads, ears and antennae.

the reality though.. as you say.. could quite literally be anything, which is, to me, probably the greatest part about the entire situation!

wider spread of speculation = far lesser certainty = greater potential for a shock and/or awe


*the op was an interesting read over breakfast though. pursuing the standard bipedal alien representation is never a bad branch to consider, the hairless red skinned depiction suited the dialogue.. then we had the buxom space elf depiction.. that was.. i moved onto comments at that point.
 

CMDR Dreamstate

CMDR Dreamstate
BluWolve said:
Nice work, I wonder how much Halsey actually knows? She could be a puppet but she seems in awe and wonder about the whole situation which makes me think she is more than willing to work with these beings. This was posted in the canon thread and makes me again think to the Guardians AI, but gives a completely different reaction ;


Although whoever had this experience reacted much differently to Halsey or Jaques, it still could be the same thing that happened to them all.

This "choice" on the 29th that is being put up around the forums - now this could be considered a bit of a stretch :) - what if the choice is between;

1. Working with / giving ourselves over to these AI for the knowledge and betterment of the human race.

or

2. Refusing AI assistance and retaining free will - fighting the AI and those that accept them.

A similar and disturbing tale to the guardians history, lets hope history doesn't repeat itself and these thoughts are just crazy speculation by a tired old spacer haha :)
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Now that is crazy thoughts! I like it! :D

Maybe humanity does need to make a choice? That transmitter was freaky as hell, I may have to go out and see it at some point soon.

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To the other recent posters, the Guardians are confirmed to be bipedal and they look similar to us :) see the lore data entries for more info.
 

BluWolve

BluWolve
CMDR Dreamstate said:
With all this talk about cybernetics and telepresence, it looks like it may be coming to us humans sooner than we think ;)

(BBC Source)

http://i.imgur.com/qa0xaks.jpg
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I have been watching Elon Musk and his endeavours with great enthusiasm over the years. His business pursuits are quite fascinating, Neuralink just being one of the latest. Look into some of his other stuff too, like SpaceX - really cool stuff.

I've been trying to find out if anyone has tried to map out the known guardians ruins location on the Galmap, and see if the shape will match up with any of the ruins layouts. I have been considering it as a possibility, then someone brought it up in the cannon thread which prompted me to say something.

My reason for these thoughts are due to this -

•12 – This is truly fascinating data, as an engineer, Ram Tah has to admit he is highly curious about the Guardians technology. It seems that the guardians had a particular fascination with geometric shapes, which they used to illustrate connections between themselves and the world around them. This predilection manifested itself in their technology as well – specifically their monolith network. With this data and the help of the galactic community we’ve partially mapped the monolith network, which formed the backbone of their communications technology, and discovered that they too are arranged in geometric patterns. Whilst this does not give us full access to the network, I believe it is the first step to unlocking the entire system and maybe more

I thought reading this that a map existed somewhere on the internet but haven't been able to find it myself. Regardless, I think an overlay map would possibly help determine where to find new ruins, and potentially even the guardians homeworld.
 
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CMDR Dreamstate

CMDR Dreamstate
BluWolve said:
I have been watching Elon Musk and his endeavours with great enthusiasm over the years. His business pursuits are quite fascinating, Neuralink just being one of the latest. Look into some of his other stuff too, like SpaceX - really cool stuff.

I've been trying to find out if anyone has tried to map out the known guardians ruins location on the Galmap, and see if the shape will match up with any of the ruins layouts. I have been considering it as a possibility, then someone brought it up in the cannon thread which prompted me to say something.

My reason for these thoughts are due to this -

•12 – This is truly fascinating data, as an engineer, Ram Tah has to admit he is highly curious about the Guardians technology. It seems that the guardians had a particular fascination with geometric shapes, which they used to illustrate connections between themselves and the world around them. This predilection manifested itself in their technology as well – specifically their monolith network. With this data and the help of the galactic community we’ve partially mapped the monolith network, which formed the backbone of their communications technology, and discovered that they too are arranged in geometric patterns. Whilst this does not give us full access to the network, I believe it is the first step to unlocking the entire system and maybe more

I thought reading this that a map existed somewhere on the internet but haven't been able to find it myself. Regardless, I think an overlay map would possibly help determine where to find new ruins, and potentially even the guardians homeworld.
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Yep, I got caught up on that data entry too when I went out looking for the ruins :)

There is a Galactic Mapping initiative going on at the moment, and it'll probably be your cup of tea ;) head here to this thread to learn more: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...alactic-Mapping-Project-needs-your-assistance

The creators of the galactic map want all the locations of all the ruins so they can map them! Jump into that thread and give them a hand (warning: may require lots of jumping around and may require many weeks of looking for new ruins) :)

I'll add the galactic mapping project to the main OP.
 

BluWolve

BluWolve
I posted this in "The Quest to find Raxxla" thread a little while ago -
I'm wondering if it could be possible that Raxxla is connected to the Guardians? The guardians were very advanced and were capable of creating "gateways to other worlds". The worlds were virtual, which is a twist that hasn't been considered as far as I know. What if Raxxla isn't actually a physical place, but a virtual realm where the archives of the Guardians advanced knowledge could be found?
And have been thinking on it some more -
"A place that isn't a place, a door that is also the key".

Personally, I'm still firmly holding on to my belief that Raxxla is actually a virtual database of sorts, of the guardians creation. One of their virtual workstations where they could log in and work with other guardians no matter where they were in the galaxy, all thanks to the monolith network and neural implants. Humans found a way to access this virtual world and the knowledge contained, but then they lost it. I also believe there are those in positions of power that have regained access to Raxxla and are using it to make incredible leaps forward in technology. I dont know how we could find it ourselves, except for learning more about the guardians and their ruins, maybe finding their home world.

Just speculation based on what I have learned in my studies of the many mysteries in the galaxy. I could be completely wrong but it is my best guess at the moment
Now I'm not sure how much anyone here knows about the mystery of Raxxla, and I wont go into it too much detail here as I dont want to derail the thread. I suggest checking the thread linked above if interested in learning some info. If the Guardians are indeed connected with the mystery of Raxxla it would make a lot of sense, also would possibly weave all the mysteries in the galaxy together. Barnacles, Thargoids, Guardians, Raxxla, UA, UP, US (unknown ship), The rift - everything.

Haha may be too far a stretch for some, even I have to admit I'm starting to sound like Ricardo Bentonio :)
 

CMDR Dreamstate

CMDR Dreamstate
BluWolve said:
I posted this in "The Quest to find Raxxla" thread a little while ago -
I'm wondering if it could be possible that Raxxla is connected to the Guardians? The guardians were very advanced and were capable of creating "gateways to other worlds". The worlds were virtual, which is a twist that hasn't been considered as far as I know. What if Raxxla isn't actually a physical place, but a virtual realm where the archives of the Guardians advanced knowledge could be found?
And have been thinking on it some more -
"A place that isn't a place, a door that is also the key".

Personally, I'm still firmly holding on to my belief that Raxxla is actually a virtual database of sorts, of the guardians creation. One of their virtual workstations where they could log in and work with other guardians no matter where they were in the galaxy, all thanks to the monolith network and neural implants. Humans found a way to access this virtual world and the knowledge contained, but then they lost it. I also believe there are those in positions of power that have regained access to Raxxla and are using it to make incredible leaps forward in technology. I dont know how we could find it ourselves, except for learning more about the guardians and their ruins, maybe finding their home world.

Just speculation based on what I have learned in my studies of the many mysteries in the galaxy. I could be completely wrong but it is my best guess at the moment
Now I'm not sure how much anyone here knows about the mystery of Raxxla, and I wont go into it too much detail here as I dont want to derail the thread. I suggest checking the thread linked above if interested in learning some info. If the Guardians are indeed connected with the mystery of Raxxla it would make a lot of sense, also would possibly weave all the mysteries in the galaxy together. Barnacles, Thargoids, Guardians, Raxxla, UA, UP, US (unknown ship), The rift - everything.

Haha may be too far a stretch for some, even I have to admit I'm starting to sound like Ricardo Bentonio :)
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Very nice work!

I'll add what you've put here and add a bit of info from wiki about this too!

Raxxla could well be a virtual paradise? A matrix of Guardian origin?
 

BluWolve

BluWolve
CMDR Dreamstate said:
Very nice work!

I'll add what you've put here and add a bit of info from wiki about this too!

Raxxla could well be a virtual paradise? A matrix of Guardian origin?
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Thanks commander, much obliged :)

I envision a kind of matrix, a virtual world designed for the user to have control over. Depending on who is in control it could be a paradise, or it could be a nightmare. The guardians created and used it as a laboratory and a library. For both work and entertainment. "A gateway to other Universes", yet the universes are all virtual - "A place that isn't a place".

Given more thought, I suppose Raxxla itself would probably have to be a physical planet. On it is the device that grants us access to these virtual planes. The gateway has to be somewhere in the physical realm right? So saying Raxxla is a virtual world probably isn't the right way to put it after all...?

Regardless, I do believe there is a connection here. On the planet is an access point to the guardians virtual worlds. It is my belief that learning more about the guardians and the monolith network should help shed light on where to find Raxxla. Perhaps Raxxla even was the Guardians homeworld? It is speculated to be a rogue planet, which also could explain the climate change event on the guardians homeworld - "the dimming of the sun" could be because the planet was travelling away from the sun?

I love this thread :D and I believe I have some more thinking to do o7
 
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