Carnivorous Space Elves AKA The Guardians

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What we Know:

"the Guardians' anatomy and physiology, you might be surprised to learn they weren't that different to us. Their morphology was bipedal, although they were generally taller and more slender than the average human. Their skin tone was red, encompassing the whole spectrum of red hues. There were various reasons for these changes in pigmentation, including genetic disposition and the fact that they darkened as they aged."

"Their faces were proportionally smaller than ours and they had round eyes, darkened from their evolution under a very strong sunlight. The colouration and structure of the eye indicates that not only they have keener vision than us, but they could also see a wider spectrum."

"The nose appears to have been vestigial - I believe it was once more pronounced, but that some environmental change made it less useful - so their sense of smell would have been less developed than the human average. Their ears were very tightly formed against the skull, and the interesting array of internal acoustic chambers suggest they perceived sounds differently to us."

"Most remarkable are their limbs. Their forelimbs had a serrated edge and were no doubt used as killing implements during the pack-hunting period. They had two more more joints in their arms than we do, facilitating complex articulation and the use of sophisticated sign language. The skeleton was flexible yet resilient and their muscles were long, thin and ropey. They had two hands, each with four digits."

and "not only were their arm ridges excellent for killing prey, they also used for cutting meat into little pieces to fit in their small mouths."

So, tall, thin, dark, round eyes, various shades of red, ears right up against their heads, with serrated-edged forearms and small mouths - I'm seeing this to be something akin to a preying mantis:

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I'm picturing something more along the lines of Mass Effect's Salarians.

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We don't have any mention of hair, so they may or may not have had any hair. We do know they preferred warmer climates, and were less tolerant of cooler ones, which suggest a lack of hair.

I don't find "space elves" to be a very apt description at all.
 
Only Holo-Me's would be allowed in!

Maybe we are already experiencing Elite Dangerous inside Raxxla? Could explain why we are all Holo-Me's ;) lol

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What we Know:

"the Guardians' anatomy and physiology, you might be surprised to learn they weren't that different to us. Their morphology was bipedal, although they were generally taller and more slender than the average human. Their skin tone was red, encompassing the whole spectrum of red hues. There were various reasons for these changes in pigmentation, including genetic disposition and the fact that they darkened as they aged."

"Their faces were proportionally smaller than ours and they had round eyes, darkened from their evolution under a very strong sunlight. The colouration and structure of the eye indicates that not only they have keener vision than us, but they could also see a wider spectrum."

"The nose appears to have been vestigial - I believe it was once more pronounced, but that some environmental change made it less useful - so their sense of smell would have been less developed than the human average. Their ears were very tightly formed against the skull, and the interesting array of internal acoustic chambers suggest they perceived sounds differently to us."

"Most remarkable are their limbs. Their forelimbs had a serrated edge and were no doubt used as killing implements during the pack-hunting period. They had two more more joints in their arms than we do, facilitating complex articulation and the use of sophisticated sign language. The skeleton was flexible yet resilient and their muscles were long, thin and ropey. They had two hands, each with four digits."

and "not only were their arm ridges excellent for killing prey, they also used for cutting meat into little pieces to fit in their small mouths."

So, tall, thin, dark, round eyes, various shades of red, ears right up against their heads, with serrated-edged forearms and small mouths - I'm seeing this to be something akin to a preying mantis:

https://image.shutterstock.com/z/stock-photo-front-leg-arms-of-praying-mantis-207613891.jpg

I'm picturing something more along the lines of Mass Effect's Salarians.

http://www.gameranx.com/img/14-Sep/mordinme2h1.jpg

We don't have any mention of hair, so they may or may not have had any hair. We do know they preferred warmer climates, and were less tolerant of cooler ones, which suggest a lack of hair.

I don't find "space elves" to be a very apt description at all.

No one truly knows ;) they may have had hair, they may not have - all we really got to go on are the entries you quoted (and the rest) - it is important to also add that they do share much of our DNA and RNA, so having hair isn't impossible.

Their limbs may have looked insectoid-like, but they were humanoid and were, more than likely, mammals with little body fat.
 
Maybe we are already experiencing Elite Dangerous inside Raxxla? Could explain why we are all Holo-Me's ;) lol

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No one truly knows ;) they may have had hair, they may not have - all we really got to go on are the entries you quoted (and the rest) - it is important to also add that they do share much of our DNA and RNA, so having hair isn't impossible.

Their limbs may have looked insectoid-like, but they were humanoid and were, more than likely, mammals with little body fat.

Humanoid, agreed, but that's a pretty broad stroke that covers most bipedal forms. As for shared DNA and RNA... Humans and bananas have around 60% of the same genes, and 25% of human genes are also present in rice. There is, after all, only one DNA, and that's deoxyribonucleic acid, which contains four nitrogen-based nucleobases, cytosine (C), guanine (G), adenine (A), and thymine (T), and these always pair A with T and C with G.

Relative Proportions (%) of Bases in DNA
Organism
A
T
G
C
Human​
30.9​
29.4​
19.9​
19.8​
Chicken​
28.8​
29.2​
20.5​
21.5​
Grasshopper​
29.3​
29.3​
20.5​
20.7​
Sea Urchin​
32.8​
32.1​
17.7​
17.3​
Wheat​
27.3​
27.1​
22.7​
22.8​
Yeast​
31.3​
32.9​
18.7​
17.1​
E. coli​
24.7​
23.6​
26.0​
25.7​

As you can see, we have a lot of things in common with a lot of things nothing at all like us.

Now someone did ask me once, if I'm just a Freighter pilot, why do I know so many odd things about so many odd things. The answer is far simpler than it seems - ever make a delivery to Hutton Orbital? I've been more than 50 times. As a freighter pilot, I have a lot of time to put my feet up and read.
 
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Humanoid, agreed, but that's a pretty broad stroke that covers most bipedal forms. As for shared DNA and RNA... Humans and bananas have around 60% of the same genes, and 25% of human genes are also present in rice. There is, after all, only one DNA, and that's deoxyribonucleic acid, which contains four nitrogen-based nucleobases, cytosine (C), guanine (G), adenine (A), and thymine (T), and these always pair A with T and C with G.

Relative Proportions (%) of Bases in DNA
Organism
A
T
G
C
Human​
30.9​
29.4​
19.9​
19.8​
Chicken​
28.8​
29.2​
20.5​
21.5​
Grasshopper​
29.3​
29.3​
20.5​
20.7​
Sea Urchin​
32.8​
32.1​
17.7​
17.3​
Wheat​
27.3​
27.1​
22.7​
22.8​
Yeast​
31.3​
32.9​
18.7​
17.1​
E. coli​
24.7​
23.6​
26.0​
25.7​

As you can see, we have a lot of things in common with a lot of things nothing at all like us.

Now someone did ask me once, if I'm just a Freighter pilot, why do I know so many odd things about so many odd things. The answer is far simpler than it seems - ever make a delivery to Hutton Orbital? I've been more than 50 times. As a freighter pilot, I have a lot of time to put my feet up and read.

Very true. I think I read that only %1 separates us from a banana or a mouse :D edit: think it was mouse :p

While not disputing this about DNA, I'm sure Ram Tah would know enough to make a statement as bold as that they (Guardians) share enough of our DNA and RNA to be less than 1% - and while 1% doesn't sound like much (purely just a guestimate, edit), it represents everything we are and what the Guardians are, otherwise we wouldn't be related at all (as Ram Tah puts it, both humans and guardians may have a common ancestor).

However, it is a very broad-brush indeed :) I'm actually hoping we'll see some kind of artwork on how they look that is official, that would be awesome (and I would even have to retire my pictures :( booo).
 
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Thanks commander, much obliged :)

I envision a kind of matrix, a virtual world designed for the user to have control over. Depending on who is in control it could be a paradise, or it could be a nightmare. The guardians created and used it as a laboratory and a library. For both work and entertainment. "A gateway to other Universes", yet the universes are all virtual - "A place that isn't a place".

Given more thought, I suppose Raxxla itself would probably have to be a physical planet. On it is the device that grants us access to these virtual planes. The gateway has to be somewhere in the physical realm right? So saying Raxxla is a virtual world probably isn't the right way to put it after all...?

Regardless, I do believe there is a connection here. On the planet is an access point to the guardians virtual worlds. It is my belief that learning more about the guardians and the monolith network should help shed light on where to find Raxxla. Perhaps Raxxla even was the Guardians homeworld? It is speculated to be a rogue planet, which also could explain the climate change event on the guardians homeworld - "the dimming of the sun" could be because the planet was travelling away from the sun?

I love this thread :D and I believe I have some more thinking to do o7

I'm glad you've found the thread :D it's very pleasant discussing theories about the Guardians in a thread about the Guardians with like-minded, passionate commanders such as yourself :D (unlike how the first 7 or 10 pages panned out when I started it lol).

I reckon you're right about your theory that it could be linked to the Monolith Network - I mean, it's a bit like our world-wide-web - it's like "Windows" operating systems - windows into new dimensions. Every time you open a browser or computer game, you're opening another bunch of code, another bunch of alternate realities on one screen (or having several open at once) - another window into another universe, or at least, what you perceive as one.

Raxxla must be some sort of super-computer, connected by a vast network to become the super-computer - and perhaps one of the big 3 super powers has had the key to it all along??

I'll get a write up done soon, promise, I've just been having too much fun with the new hero addition in Heroes of the Storm :D (Amazon!).
 
Very true. I think I read that only %1 separates us from a banana or a mouse :D edit: think it was mouse :p

While not disputing this about DNA, I'm sure Ram Tah would know enough to make a statement as bold as that they (Guardians) share enough of our DNA and RNA to be less than 1% - and while 1% doesn't sound like much (purely just a guestimate, edit), it represents everything we are and what the Guardians are, otherwise we wouldn't be related at all (as Ram Tah puts it, both humans and guardians may have a common ancestor).

However, it is a very broad-brush indeed :) I'm actually hoping we'll see some kind of artwork on how they look that is official, that would be awesome (and I would even have to retire my pictures :( booo).

Ram Tah also claimed he could upgrade the ammo capacity of my heat sink launcher - which he did, by 1, and gave it twice the mass, and a longer reload time than just having a second heat sink launcher, so I take Ram Tah saying with a pinch of sodium chloride.
 
Thread Update!

Formadine Rift Mystery - Megaship Zaraura Discovered

Massive discovery relating to the Formadine Rift mystery has been solved. The Children of Raxxla successfully discovered what happened to the Megaship Zaraura during the Dynasty Expedition.

See the video, below, for some astounding discoveries!

The mystery could indeed involve "aliens" or, more specifically, Guardians or "Thargoids" (one and the same in my opinion). Only time will tell...

[video=youtube;vtNq-tG4EgA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtNq-tG4EgA[/video]​
 
UPDATE:

As I am sure everyone knows, Thargoid bases have been uncovered...

Lave Radio have done some experimentation inside the Galaxy Chamber, and discovered something very frightening when in the presence of Gaurdian Artefacts...

See for yourself...JUMP TO 5.50s!

[video=youtube_share;kFOq1jxVYkc]https://youtu.be/kFOq1jxVYkc?t=5m50s[/video]

I now firmly believe that the Thargoids are related to the Gaurdians; if they weren't, they would not have acted this way (they certainly don't act this aggressive towards us as pilots) - (my personal opinion).

Now, this raises some questions:


1) Are the Ancient Relics related to the Exiles or the Religious Sect; or is it just Monolithic Technology of the Gaurdians in general?

2) If they are related to one of those factions, then could the Thargoids be Exile in origin, or that of the Religious Sect?

3) If neither of the above, then perhaps the Thargoids may have killed both the Exiles and Religious Sect?

The Thargoid chamber reacted, in what seemed to be, both anger and fear - we need to:

1) Record the sounds it releases in the chamber when exposed to an Ancient Relic - put it through a spectral graph, see if there's anything to it.

2) Try other Gaurdian Artefacts - do we get the same result or something different or nothing?

The pilots of Lave Radio were getting cooked by some form of heat weapon by the central chamber - could this be the same type of heat weapon that melted or destroyed some Obelisks at the the various Gaurdian Monolithic Network sites?

Important to note: I think these are, without a doubt, the AI creations of the Gaurdians. The whole Gaurdians Arc in the 2.3 update is basically an "origin" story - after all, why put in the Gaurdian's content if it had no relevance to the future of the game?
 
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UPDATE:

As I am sure everyone knows, Thargoid bases have been uncovered...

Lave Radio have done some experimentation inside the Galaxy Chamber, and discovered something very frightening when in the presence of Gaurdian Artefacts...

See for yourself...JUMP TO 5.50s!

https://youtu.be/kFOq1jxVYkc?t=5m50s

I now firmly believe that the Thargoids are related to the Gaurdians; if they weren't, they would not have acted this way (they certainly don't act this aggressive towards us as pilots) - (my personal opinion).

Now, this raises some questions:


1) Are the Ancient Relics related to the Exiles or the Religious Sect; or is it just Monolithic Technology of the Gaurdians in general?

2) If they are related to one of those factions, then could the Thargoids be Exile in origin, or that of the Religious Sect?

3) If neither of the above, then perhaps the Thargoids may have killed both the Exiles and Religious Sect?

The Thargoid chamber reacted, in what seemed to be, both anger and fear - we need to:

1) Record the sounds it releases in the chamber when exposed to an Ancient Relic - put it through a spectral graph, see if there's anything to it.

2) Try other Gaurdian Artefacts - do we get the same result or something different or nothing?

The pilots of Lave Radio were getting cooked by some form of heat weapon by the central chamber - could this be the same type of heat weapon that melted or destroyed some Obelisks at the the various Gaurdian Monolithic Network sites?

Important to note: I think these are, without a doubt, the AI creations of the Gaurdians. The whole Gaurdians Arc in the 2.3 update is basically an "origin" story - after all, why put in the Gaurdian's content if it had no relevance to the future of the game?

Whatever it is doing looks like a hostile action. Bet that is what killed the guardians off.
 
If I remember correctly.....

I am not surprised hearing that there was a strong reaction to the Guardian artifacts. I know that during the Guardian ruins CG there were numerous videos I watched on the information that Ram Tah was able to glean or was it Palin. Regardless, it was said in at least one video that the Guardians, during their reign created biological weapons that were described in such a way that I instantly made the correlation that the weapons were in fact what became the Thargoids. They were the weapon they lost control of...which is why the Gaurdians even came into play in this iteration of Elite, and why they will be the key in the new weapons that will be effective against them. Look at what the ancient tech already does...now when Palin or Tah get their data (provided by us) they will develop the new weapons sets to defend or attack the Thargoids.
 
I am not surprised hearing that there was a strong reaction to the Guardian artifacts. I know that during the Guardian ruins CG there were numerous videos I watched on the information that Ram Tah was able to glean or was it Palin. Regardless, it was said in at least one video that the Guardians, during their reign created biological weapons that were described in such a way that I instantly made the correlation that the weapons were in fact what became the Thargoids. They were the weapon they lost control of...which is why the Gaurdians even came into play in this iteration of Elite, and why they will be the key in the new weapons that will be effective against them. Look at what the ancient tech already does...now when Palin or Tah get their data (provided by us) they will develop the new weapons sets to defend or attack the Thargoids.

Couldn't agree more :) +1
 
+1 Rep OP for excellent post putting all (or almost all) of the information together).

However, it was very long, so I only had time to skim it for now.

Somethings you might want to add: I think several of the "Lost" generation ships found recently ran afoul of leftover Guardian weapons and/or attacks by the monolith network. One ship was brought down by an extremely virulent pathogen, which seems unlikely to have naturally evolved and then was floating around in space for a LONG time. Another ship's crew all killed each other violently after they received an unknown signal from a world they passed. And another ship's crew all died off because, suddenly, they all lost the ability to produce female offspring.
 
In fact, I had Deja Vu when I saw the new modules that were just shown at Lavecon, especially the "ordinance launcher" that has a distinct pattern that resemble the Guardian obelisks...
 
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