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Patrick_68000 said:
To answer your question about the family of dentist, family responsible or not (in the other thread locked). Obviously not responsible. I say that the cats do not make the dogs. Frankly if I have a father, a mother, a brother, a sister, or another person around me is who is a hunter, I will have trouble considering it with love / friendship. So the family of this dentist is in agreement with him or disagree .... (I speak of adolescents and adults, not children who do not understand)

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A muffled response. Do you mean that, if my father were a murderer, there would still be some doubt about my complicity in the matter? Some - intangible - responsibility?

Genuinely frightening lack of thought in these posts about fur balls.
 

Patrick_68000

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A muffled response. Do you mean that, if my father were a murderer, there would still be some doubt about my complicity in the matter? Some - intangible - responsibility?

Genuinely frightening lack of thought in these posts about fur balls.
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Do not confuse complicity and complacency (in the case of the family of the hunter). in the case of a murderer, logically there is no complicity and no complacency. So no question in this case
 
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Patrick_68000 said:
Do not confuse complicity and complacency (in the case of the family of the hunter). in the case of a murderer, logically there is no complicity and no complacency. So no Question in this case
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Don't meddle with words. The hunter may have been complicit, and complacent. But his family were neither. Some dreadful logic going on here.

Would I be complacent if my father were a murderer - I'd have no choice in the matter if I had no knowledge.

Posters of this type - (not you, of course, as I am obliged to say!) - grow up!
 
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Patrick_68000

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Don't meddle with words. The hunter may have been complicit, and complacent. But his family were neither. Some dreadful logic going on here.

Would I be complacent if my father were a murderer - I'd have no choice in the matter if I had no knowledge.

Posters of this type - (not you, of course, as I am obliged to say!) - grow up!
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You deviate from the topic by talking murderer. I'm talking about a hunter. I simply said that if the family is complaisant to the fact that the father is a hunter, then the problems of his family leaves me indifferent at the highest point
 

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Patrick_68000 said:
You deviate from the topic by talking murderer. I'm talking about a hunter. I simply said that if the family is complaisant to the fact that the father is a hunter, then the problems of his family leaves me indifferent at the highest point
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The hunter is an ars*, I have no doubt about that. But, by what logical, or reasonable stretch, could the family possibly be implicated?

This is all I am saying. I am sure you understand.
 

Patrick_68000

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The hunter is an ars*, I have no doubt about that. But, by what logical, or reasonable stretch, could the family possibly be implicated?

This is all I am saying. I am sure you understand.
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I never said that the family is responsible or implicated. I'm just saying that if his family is complaisant, of the father's mentality, then the consequences of this history on this family leaves me indifferent

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Patrick_68000 said:
I never said that the family is responsible or implicated. I'm just saying that if his family is complaisant, of the father's mentality, then the consequences of this history on this family leaves me indifferent

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But complacency is not an offence. I could equally argue that everyone here, worrying about this blo*dy cat, and its stupid killer, were complacent about the thousands of deaths around the world today for lack of basic medicines - which in many cases cost less than a few cents per day! That is complacency my friend. Am I guilty. Yes.
 

adoredtv

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A muffled response. Do you mean that, if my father were a murderer, there would still be some doubt about my complicity in the matter? Some - intangible - responsibility?

Genuinely frightening lack of thought in these posts about fur balls.
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No what he's saying is that if your father were a murderer and you supported him or "did nothing", he would find it difficult to care about whatever situation you found yourself in even though you personally haven't murdered anyone.

This is what this guys family is (presumably) doing regarding his animal killing habit. They might not be responsible but if they're not doing anything to try to change his habit - or if they support it in any way - I too would find it hard to feel any kind of sorrow for them.
 
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Patrick_68000

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But complacency is not an offence. I could equally argue that everyone here, worrying about this blo*dy cat, and its stupid killer, were complacent about the thousands of deaths around the world today for lack of basic medicines - which in many cases cost less than a few cents per day! That is complacency my friend. Am I guilty. Yes.
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I never said that the complacency is an offense. I'm just saying that if his family is complaisant, of the father's mentality, then the consequences of this history on this family leaves me indifferent.
This concerns the intimacy of a family. No generalities about thousands of people.

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No what he's saying is that if your father were a murderer and you supported him or "did nothing", he would find it difficult to care about whatever situation you found yourself in even though you personally haven't murdered anyone.

This is what this guys family is (presumably) doing regarding his animal killing habit. They might not be responsible but if they're not doing anything to try to change his habit - or if they support it in any way - I too would find it hard to feel any kind of sorrow for them.
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+1 for your understanding (perfect). And thank you ! It is reassuring

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adoredtv said:
No what he's saying is that if your father were a murderer and you supported him or "did nothing", he would find it difficult to care about whatever situation you found yourself in even though you personally haven't murdered anyone.

This is what this guys family is (presumably) doing regarding his animal killing habit. They might not be responsible but if they're not doing anything to try to change his habit - or if they support it in any way - I too would find it hard to feel any kind of sorrow for them.
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Oh, but read that back. It is completely empty of any logic. It's like saying the children of an alcoholic father should cure him.

This is a silly course of argument - and the reason - it is baseless.

If it is animal loving and human hatred you're after, there are groups you could join. But there is no sense here that I can discern.
 

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Thank god we have laws, and that we democratically elect politicians to think for us. If it were left to you guys, you would have families hanging from trees for the sake of a cat.

I'd like to see this man punished. But get real.
 
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Oh, but read that back. It is completely empty of any logic. It's like saying the children of an alcoholic father should cure him.
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No but they should try to talk to him about it and at the very least not buy him a bottle of whisky on father's day. Do we know how his family deals with it? No we don't, however that was never the point. The point was *if* they were doing nothing/supporting his animal killing then he couldn't care less what happened to them either.

If it is animal loving and human hatred you're after, there are groups you could join. But there is no sense here that I can discern.
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There's plenty of sense in it. It's called respect for life and caring enough about a vulnerable species that killing one for its head would never enter the mind of somebody who wasn't warped in the head. I feel nothing for these people, nothing but contempt. They mean less to me than the dog walking down my street because they are actively destroying life for some kind of status symbol that only matters to other fools like them.
 
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>>I feel nothing for these people, nothing but contempt.

Then I am wasting my time discussing this matter with you - my apologies - I was working on an assumption of mutual rationality. Out.

(human-haters now blocked - fire away with your human-hating illogic - I have my noise (b*llocks) -suppressing phones on now :) )

 
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I've been fishing and hunting since I was 12. Well hunting since 12, fishing for as long as I can remember. I do it because I love the outdoors and I really enjoy the taste of wild game. I bow hunt and also hunt with shotguns, rifles, and muzzleloaders.

Now I understand some people find hunting unethical for whatever reason. When people want to debate me on the topic I always ask if they eat meat. If no I can appreciate their view even though I don't agree. When they answer yes I just laugh and tell them to see how live stock is processed in a slaughter house. Responsible hunters put venison in the freezer in a much more humane manner than that steak or package of chicken got to your local grocery store.

That said this dentist gives real hunters a bad name. I never have and never will understand trophy hunters. It makes me sick. To me there is no reason to kill an animal unless you intend to eat it. These people who pay obscene amounts of money to get a head for their wall, or even canned hunts...just don't get it.

I read a NY Times article on this Walter Palmer and how he took an elk with a 75 yard bow shot. I don't know if there are any other bow hunters reading this forum, but they'd probably agree with me that that is just an unethical shot. Realistic max range when hunting with a compound bow is 40 maybe 50 yards. My comfortable max range with a bow is about 40 in perfect conditions. Someone may be able to shoot a tight patern at 75+ yards at the range but that doesn't mean they should take the same shot in the wild. Not when they have a responsibility to ensure accurate arrow placement and a clean shot on the animal. To much can happen between the time your arrow leaves the string and gets to the target, including the animal jumping the string. That article told me all I need to know about this guy and his hunting ethics.

While don't agree with Palmer's idea of 'hunting' the media and activists are taking this a bit out of hand. To the point where the safety of he and his family are probably in danger. That's just insane. If he knew what his hired guides were doing (baiting the animal out of the park) then he should have to answer the legal ramifications of that. Instead we've now got celebrities tweeting his home address. Again, that is just insanity.
 
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