Err, you might want to watch the interviews with DB from the beginning and what his vision is/was.
Challenger = Chieftain = Crusader, Krait = Python... What's the point?
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Err, you might want to watch the interviews with DB from the beginning and what his vision is/was.
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I have two Pythons and would way rather fly my Krait, ymmv.
I'm going to buy a second Krait for mat collection.
you totaly got me its more and more cheep things they do, you forgot the type 10
Like the Aspe for multipurpose and the krait for multipurpose?
Seriously, they are both mid-sized multipurpose ships, but just have different focuses.
They're both medium multipurposes with high jump range capability that have found footholds within the exploration crowd.
Sure, the Krait can also be a far better combatant/miner, but that's a role expansion as a higher tier multipupose rather than being completely different.
Considering the Krait has SLF support, less cargo space and more agility than the Python (multipurpose ship) then it shows what its focus is. The AspX is special more than nothing for its jump range, hence, it's the second most popular exploration ship based on expeditions statistics.
I'd very much preffer an AspX for mat collection, it'll get me anywhere I want on time.
Comparing the Krait to the Python to say it has no overlap with the Asp is all sorts of broken logic. Both the Asp and the Krait have less cargo so that has all of nothing to do with comparing them. Pretty sure their both more agile too. The Krait also has great jump range and offers more room than the Asp, making it a direct upgrade for those wanting more diverse mods but not wanting to spend for an Anaconda.
Why you would think this isn't a thing is beyond me. Plenty of people in the Krait owners thread have posted as much. Apparently you're hung up on the idea that anything with a fighter is a combat ship? I suggest trying to use it elsewhere and get a good idea of how flexible the ship is rather than viewing it as only a fighter carrier.
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I'm comparing the Krait to the Python to show why the Krait is more of a combat focused ship. The AspXs only combat advantage over the Python is manuverability and speed, from there it goes down, same goes for the Krait, the AspX is just not comparable to it.
You are correct, the Krait has several advantageous traits, like jumprange, agility both in and out of SC and internal space relative to cost, like an AspX. Literally like a big AspX. Funny how that works out.
It doesn't have crap peak jump like most combat ships.
It doesn't have innately high defenses.
It is pretty agile but not the top of the game by a stretch.
Pre-engineering it actually outranks any combat ship in max range.
Has more fitting flexibility due to a lack of specialized slots like a multirole like the AspX.
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I know, hence, the AspX is another kind of ship. Why? Because it is well below par the Krait.
Nope, same kind, different tier. Which is why they're both seeing uses in the exploration space. They overlap, with one offering more in trade or a bit of the raw jump potential.
No, they are a different kind of ship. The Krait has a jump range similar to the Python, nothing too special.
Between engineering and GFSDBs it's 5th in the game. Nothing special my foot.
Python is around 13th.
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I don't believe it has a better jump range than the Icourier, Hauler, Anaconda, AspX, DBX.
Well, 5th explicitly states there are 4 better, and the Icourier and Hauler are not among them in max jump fits. They can't fit class 5 FSD booster allowing ships like the Krait to close the gap.
Edit: Even without engineering and the GFSDB Coriolis lists the Krait as 0.5ly lower than the ICourier clocking in at a respectable 8th place.
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Let's get it straight. Krait Mk II does NOT equal a Python. Yes, the weapons hard points are the same. So are the utility slots. Other than that, they are NOT the same ship. The Krait Mk II can fly rings around the Python. But it doesn't have the cargo capacity of the Python. It can also carry an SLF where a Python can't.
These two ships are similar. But they are NOT equal to one another. The Krait MkII is what the Python should have been. I love my Krait and wouldn't sell it for worlds. Can't say the same about my old Python. It's already been sold.
These two ships are similar. But they are NOT equal to one another. The Krait MkII is what the Python should have been. I love my Krait and wouldn't sell it for worlds. Can't say the same about my old Python. It's already been sold.
So three differences? So much so for a different ship.
I'd like to know the source of this.
Is that not being just a bit too pedantic and argumentative?
If you look at individual ships across the board you could narrow the differences down quite a bit but that does not make any given ship irrelevant regardless of how similar it may be to any other ship.
The Krait may be similar to the Python in at least some areas but it does not make the Python irrelevant nor is it a clone of the Python to the point that the Krait is a waste of space. There are sufficient differences to justify the existence of both designs.
Where the Chieftain and Challenger are concerned, personally I currently prefer the Challenger over the Chieftain on multi-role capability grounds. The Challenger is effectively on par with the Asp Explorer in terms of role usage with jump range being traded off against weapon power. The Chieftain on the other hand is more of a combat centric vessel. Not sure how the Crusader is going to fit in the mix but if I were to draw comparisons with the Federal ships...
Challenger probably approximates relatively speaking to a Federal Drop Ship (FDS) in the Alliance ship range
Chieftain probably approximates relatively speaking to a Federal Assault Ship (FAS) in the Alliance ship range
Crusader is probably going to be to the Chieftain/Challenger what the Federal Gun Ship is to the FAS/FDS.
Is that not being just a bit too pedantic and argumentative?
If you look at individual ships across the board you could narrow the differences down quite a bit but that does not make any given ship irrelevant regardless of how similar it may be to any other ship.
The Krait may be similar to the Python in at least some areas but it does not make the Python irrelevant nor is it a clone of the Python to the point that the Krait is a waste of space. There are sufficient differences to justify the existence of both designs.
Where the Chieftain and Challenger are concerned, personally I currently prefer the Challenger over the Chieftain on multi-role capability grounds. The Challenger is effectively on par with the Asp Explorer in terms of role usage with jump range being traded off against weapon power. The Chieftain on the other hand is more of a combat centric vessel. Not sure how the Crusader is going to fit in the mix but if I were to draw comparisons with the Federal ships...
Challenger probably approximates relatively speaking to a Federal Drop Ship (FDS) in the Alliance ship range
Chieftain probably approximates relatively speaking to a Federal Assault Ship (FAS) in the Alliance ship range
Crusader is probably going to be to the Chieftain/Challenger what the Federal Gun Ship is to the FAS/FDS.
I don't think it's a clone but looking at the specs, it really is very similar to the Python and it seems to boil down to the characteristics you mentioned which I find insufficient to justify the existance of the Krait.