Cheating in Elite Dangerous

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I'm a member of HackerOne, and we protect more than just your bank account.
I know you are, and I think that HackerOne is a very good example of employing white hat hackers. Many companies do it, they even leave notes hidden with instructions how to contact the company.
Such white hat hackers could be employed by FD as well, as I already suggested it. I'm sure that many of us would gladly do it for a paintjob or ship kit.
 
And that's a consolation prize to all the other 8 who will never see their car again?
It would be more impressive if it'd be the other way around: 8 out of 9 cars are found again. Then I feel sorry for the 1 guy who loses his car this way.
Well it's not me that claims that both FD and Berlin police do their job. ;)
 
I know you are, and I think that HackerOne is a very good example of employing white hat hackers. Many companies do it, they even leave notes hidden with instructions how to contact the company.
Such white hat hackers could be employed by FD as well, as I already suggested it. I'm sure that many of us would gladly do it for a paintjob or ship kit.
Thanks. I can say I have made suggestions to Frontier on detecting scripts and bots.

o7...
 
Do you know what the likelihood of being murdered is?
Do you know how likely it is that a murderer will be apprehended?
Do you know what process is involved in prosecuting a murderer?
Do you know what happens to convicted murderers?
Do you feel relatively safe living in a society with the current murder rate?

All this information, and more, IS available to you so that you can assess how well the police and justice system deal with murderers and then form an opinion about whether or not you're happy about the risks associated with murder in your society.

You see the analogy, right?
I tried, but no, I’m not seeing the analogy here. I suspect you might be over-analyzing, since we have no access to statistics regarding how many people are cheating, or something along those lines, which is skating around the point I’m trying to make here - that point being regardless of what the rules are, be they the rules of the game or the rules of life, there are always those who not only believe they need not follow them, but act on this belief.

This isn’t because the rules have failed, or were in some manner vague or lacking, but because someone has opted to act in violation of them, for whatever justification they’ve told themselves - anything from “I’m too wealthy and important for this” to “Someone who shared a characteristic with an ancestor of yours oppressed someone who shared a characteristic with an ancestor of mine, so I’m entitled...”

These are People Problems.
 
"Don't cheat. Well, that kinda cheating I mean specifically." :p

Seriously though: don't mean this as a jab to you. It is just that while I personally find all cheating sad, the whole Righteous Crusade Against Cheaters by prominent PvP players is kinda comical when you see how selective they mean that.
I responded to this yesterday and my reply has been deleted.

Whats the point on taking part in this thread or any other if what you say gets erased.

Pointless.

i wonder what else vanished over night.
 
These are People Problems.
Yes, they are People Problems. But they are much worse if there is no visible punishment.

If you can just shoot people that annoy you, to ensure they never do so again, with very little to no risk of consequence, who wouldn't use that "solution" (morality aside)?

But since there are very visible and almost certain consequences, relatively speaking, very very few people take that approach.

Ditto with cheating. The incentive is obvious. The more moral people resist, the less moral ones embrace. For the latter, the only reason not to would be if there was not only a high chance of getting caught, but also of being punished. And the only way you'd know is if that was publicised.

That was, I believe, the point @Stealthie was making.
 
No it isn't.
Let's see...
When they'll steal your car in Berlin and it'll never be found, I'll tell you that the police is obviously doing something because every 9th is found again...
First you are comparing Frontiers efforts to fight cheats to the police searching for stolen cars. The police doesn't search for stolen cars, if they stumble upon it by accident they'll return it to the owner but they don't investigate. Frontier however actively added anti cheat tools to the game and searches for cheaters and bans them. That's what they've done in the past, which clearly was my point. So the situation isn't comparable at all.
Next you suggest that only 1 out of 9 cheaters get caught by FDEV over their lifetime or the lifetime of the game which is a number you just made up since no facts are available.

That's a flawed analogy, just like I said.
 
The problem is

Fdev has directly posted that they do catch and punish cheaters.
We have reports from outside sources that say cheats have been caught and punished.

So it is clear that something is being done, at what point is it enough to call off the pitchforks?
Can/should more be done, most likely.
Is more being done than we can see (or even be allowed to see) certainly.

If too much information is given that in and of itself gives the hackers/cheaters more ways to cheat.
 
Yes, they are People Problems. But they are much worse if there is no visible punishment.

If you can just shoot people that annoy you, to ensure they never do so again, with very little to no risk of consequence, who wouldn't use that "solution" (morality aside)?

But since there are very visible and almost certain consequences, relatively speaking, very very few people take that approach.

Ditto with cheating. The incentive is obvious. The more moral people resist, the less moral ones embrace. For the latter, the only reason not to would be if there was not only a high chance of getting caught, but also of being punished. And the only way you'd know is if that was publicised.

That was, I believe, the point @Stealthie was making.
What's the viability of going the vigilante route?

We have the names of people using these chests, yes? What groups do they run with? What assets in game might they value? How can we act against them and hold them accountable?

Why wait for FDEV if we don't have to?
 
What's the viability of going the vigilante route?

We have the names of people using these chests, yes? What groups do they run with? What assets in game might they value? How can we act against them and hold them accountable?

Why wait for FDEV if we don't have to?
They can just cheat. You can't. They win.
 
What about the cash for credits website. It's a kind of gold farming where your whole account is handed over to a third party who grinds for you millions of credits for a cash sum. That should also be fairly obvious. It automatically breaks the Eula to. Reported but Still going on. They even post feedback so you can partially see their email Address.

So suddenly every one can have a rated anacondas. But then what. You never earned them so didn't gain the skill and knowledge that goes with it. Its like drugs do you have to go back to the supplier for more? This obviously must have a impact on game balance.
 
That's absolute garbage. Period. Dot.

This community has enough talent and intelligence to hand them their butts no matter what they try.
You assume they care about assets. If I were cheating I'd just be flying around invincible having fun, not running the BGS.
 
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