Cheating in Elite Dangerous

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So people only playing solo and not caring about the BGS should be able to fast travel to Colonia and Beagle point without any repercussions?
Can we have this implemented into the game please?
That's quite a leap you made there. Presumably The cheat programme will continue to work during the shadowban, not something I've tested.

What point are you trying to prove with your 'request'?
 
I too have re-implemented many many things. Considering the stability of the initial 3.4 release (frequently invoked a kernel bug that hard froze PS4s requiring power cycle and often corrupting the local database settings file, with similar critical errors on other platforms) and errors in subsequent patches (e.g. PvP mass lock removed) I doubt they'd be rolling out fundamental major changes to the networking code as smoothly as you have in your endeavours. Here's hoping they hire you.

Meanwhile let's agree to disagree on the degree of risk and difficulty here, and see if Frontier ever actually changes anything, since this is what matters.

I feel they don't take this serious and won't make major changes, since they've taken zero action on this and it's been a problem since day 1 (not this particular cheat tool, but clogging and various other things which all share the same root cause and solution).
Agreed, but I'm retired now and not looking for a job.

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What point are you trying to prove with your 'request'?
That people are cheating because the game gets boring and repetitive and some don't have the time to wait 90 minutes to go to Hutton orbital, or spend 3 evenings jumping just to get to Colonia.
Before you jump to conclusions, no, I don't cheat, but I have never been to Hutton either. I do however understand the frustration the game brings by its lack of variety and unnecessary game loops to keep people playing, and some people don't have the time to sink into the game to gather 50 G5 mats so they can have something nice too.

I don't agree with overpowering cheats like infinite shields or ammo or damage - that's just game breaking and if you are on the receiving end, frustrating.

My point is: Cut the senseless grind and waiting simulation. Make it reasonable.
like: Guardian Blueprints: Bring me 1 - I can copy it as needed. But make obtaining that ONE count. Not repeat the same task 10 times by logging off/in to reset the instance.
I've done the grind 24 g times, before they nerfed the recipes to unlock 3 modules. I would have given my left nut to cut that senseless grind.

I am not asking for instant gratification or a single Press A to Win-button/solution either - I am happy to work for it, but not mindlessly grind away. Getting Combat Elite was bad enough as it is.
 
What I want to understand is why aren't people outraged at Fdev for LYING to us for YEARS. The shadow ban system proves that they can create an offline mode. The cheat clearly shows that the HUD is moddable. Forget the cheaters. We should DEMAND an offline mode NOW with the ability to mod the game. I'm not giving Fdev another dime until they give us an offline mode or at least a mode that allows mods and cheats.
 
What I want to understand is why aren't people outraged
I can't speak for any one else, but I'm not inclined to be outraged at anything related to video games. I save my outrage for issues of actual importance; a source of entertainment that is minimal cost doesn't qualify. I've kickstarted games that never even launched (2 or 3 of the 79 or so that I have backed) and don't even get me started on the whole Star Citizen as nothing-but-a-money grab thing. I'm not outraged at any of that either. Disappointed, sure, but outraged....no.

Besides, it's obvious that any claim that a solo mode "couldn't be done" was a lie from the outset. It was obviously a shortened version of the conditional statement, "can't be done while still keeping the systems in the game which rely on online functionality." (such as BGS).

Also, the shadow ban isn't giving people a completely offline version any more than the current solo mode does. It just puts them in a state where they have no impact on anything, not even the BGS. They still need to login to Frontier etc. to launch the game. They just have a galaxy bgs server that is in a persistent state that never ticks.
 
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This thread is about cheating and hacks in the current game - let's not go down the offline mode rabbit hole. That discussion doesn't belong here as it will derail the topic.
 
It’s not hard at all. The sad truth is that FD simply do not care if you play the game or not, and if you play it, how. The only things they do care are sales.
But they make sales by people playing it. Cosmetics for one. People playing and talking about the game encourages more sales. People playing and streaming can bring in new players as well.

So i would say your post is self contradictory. If people didn't play, they wouldn't get more sales.
 
But they make sales by people playing it. Cosmetics for one. People playing and talking about the game encourages more sales. People playing and streaming can bring in new players as well.

So i would say your post is self contradictory. If people didn't play, they wouldn't get more sales.
They make pennies from paintjobs compared to income from copies sold and they have to pay for AWS if you play actively.

BTW, any news how your squadron member has made 1.4 billion PF combat bonds in 24 hours few months ago?
 
But they make sales by people playing it. Cosmetics for one. People playing and talking about the game encourages more sales. People playing and streaming can bring in new players as well.

So i would say your post is self contradictory. If people didn't play, they wouldn't get more sales.
There are 2 kinds of sales:
1. The game itself
2. Cosmetics

For those who just bought the game, played it for 5 minutes and stop playing, they fall into the Revenue category 1. Even players who play 2000 hours are not buy a single paint job are still part of category 1. There is no more money to be made of those players.
The real money makers are the category 2 players, repeatedly buying skins and other stuff.
 
The shadow ban system proves that they can create an offline mode. The cheat clearly shows that the HUD is moddable.
You may be right about the HUD to some degree; I've not seen images or video of the mod so I can't judge its performance, but at the end of the day any process or sequence of processes that results in pixels glowing on a screen can be altered to change those pixels. Whether the method used has the potential to result in unacceptable performance issues, as some players have speculated, is where the problem may lie. And that's for Frontier to decide, whether we as players agree with it or not, because it's their code. The existence of the mod is definitely a new lever with which to attempt to move FD's position, but it's far from being the ultimate gotcha.

As for the shadow ban, that is as far removed from offline mode as it's possible to get. It's literally online. As I understand it all FD have done is to remove an individual player's effect on the dynamic variables. Other players will still affect the banned player's galaxy, just not the other way around.
 
There are 2 kinds of sales:
1. The game itself
2. Cosmetics

For those who just bought the game, played it for 5 minutes and stop playing, they fall into the Revenue category 1. Even players who play 2000 hours are not buy a single paint job are still part of category 1. There is no more money to be made of those players.
The real money makers are the category 2 players, repeatedly buying skins and other stuff.
Here we go again... In FY 2018 FD's total revenue from ED was £22M and only £4M were from game extras.
The biggest source of revenue are game copies.
 
Here we go again... In FY 2018 FD's total revenue from ED was £22M and only £4M were from game extras.
The biggest source of revenue are game copies.
And yet it might be just me, but even despite the pound loosing value lately and £4M being less than £22M, I would at any time be ready to accept the £4M. Anybody who's willing to give them to me, please?
 
And yet it might be just me, but even despite the pound loosing value lately and £4M being less than £22M, I would at any time be ready to accept the £4M. Anybody who's willing to give them to me, please?
If I'd want to be sarcastic, I'd say that those £4M obviously stink to FD, judging by the way they treat their webstore and by their offer there. ;)
Personally I'd like to spend more on cosmetics, but everything is so meh.

I just brought the facts to put things into perspective, because Tikanderoga assumed that game extras are important for FD's business. It's a logical conclusion, when you don't know the actual numbers. :)
 
I agree with your final assessment, however it doesn't matter how much easier it is now than in the past. If there was a new weapon or ship mod that made your ship 20% stronger, faster, cooler than it is now, even if you're fully engineered and have every other buff you can muster within EULA rules, many many players would fly to the other side of the galaxy to get it, because they want more. The asymptotic curve toward invincible bolt of lighting gets closer and closer as time passes. The cheat just closes that gap. They don't cheat to make it easier to win. They cheat to make it effortless, to not worry about losing at all, to crush their enemies, to see their enemies driven before them and hear the lamentation of their women.
Thank you for your response. I think by allowing this type of stuff to go on unchecked or light handed, will result in players exiting the game. This is not closing the gap, this is cheating period. They are hacking into the game engine and tweaking to there liking with a downloaded 3rd party program. Most of the people doing this do not have the code skill level to do this sort of thing, so they just down load a app. Their pretty spineless people in my opinion. Probably look for the easy way out of everything in life too.

But you know what I'm not going to fight about it, I been playing for I think 4 years...I think, I seen allot of the game anyway. Its not up to me, its up to frontier. Its there choice how they want to deal with them. There's other games to play. So if they want the end of Elite Dangerous to be the time were there game is infested with hack players, that's on them. Back playing GTA I can tell you, they ruin everyone fun. That's the point, its a form of trolling too.

Theres opal and ice ring deep core mining to make credits hand over fist, like 100 mil a hour. Passengers missions credits. There's tech brokers, guardian tech and of course engineering. Exploring is probably 2 3rds faster since Dec 18 update. There even safe haven system for new players now. They make it better and easier, steam lined the UI. What to people do...….down load hack aps....for Christ sakes...

I saw this issue mentioned on a discord, I really didn't think that much of it at 1st. Until I decided to go AX hunting...….NOT one system under attack....hmmm wonder why that is? Just speculating, but could it be there using it for AX, justifying it in there own mind there some how saving the galaxy? If that's the case, there still ruining other peoples games. I would rather see it ended by fact humanity was just not capable of defeating the thargoids and at the end of the story be that we lost. Then selfish self centered hackers determining it. Yes that right I would rather see the Thargiods win.
 
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Here we go again... In FY 2018 FD's total revenue from ED was £22M and only £4M were from game extras.
The biggest source of revenue are game copies.
So rough extrapolation would mean that they sold 1.1 million copies of ED at 20£ a pop. If only there were that many players in game at any given time. Or even 5% would mean 55000 players. Looking at the chart here:
We are bearly cracking the 10k players, meaning a 1% of players who purchased a copy in 2018 are actually playing the game. And that number doesn't take into account players who purchased the game prior to 2018, making the represented percentage even lower.
That's a bit of sad statement if you think about it.

they ruin everyone fun
Really? Not everyone thinks it's fun to repeat the same task over and over again. Some people just want to cut out the grind and tediousness of it and skip to the fun part.
 
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