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Some have used IP addresses to track people down to get an instance with them, others have managed to use thargoid tech and the latest one was to insert a ship in game which doesn't 'currently' exist!
Instancing doesn't work like that, it is controlled by the server. And all you need do is block who you'd rather not instance with.

The other two assertions surely warrant some video proof (yes, I'm a cynic)? :)
 
But I remember that in old times, I just saw hologram, concurred "nah some ice ball", then started to question my decision, and eventually flew whole trip to planet to just prove myself that my initial classification was correct :D Nowadays with FSS no more that problem.
 
But I remember that in old times, I just saw hologram, concurred "nah some ice ball", then started to question my decision, and eventually flew whole trip to planet to just prove myself that my initial classification was correct :D Nowadays with FSS no more that problem.
You didn't get the memo back then? :p:
 
If that happens, you need new eyeglasses.
ELW & AW share the hologram, otherwise there's no way to confuse ELW's one to anything else.
The ELW and rocky ice holograms are similar enough that I confused them pretty regularly - keeping in mind that the latter are far far more common, so even a low false positive rate results in a significant number of mistakes.

But yes, my eyeglasses prescription is also pretty strong, why do you ask? :p
 
A DBX or DBS currently instagibbbing ships in Jameson Memorial while the station casually fires at it.
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Edit: Went out in SC to check it out. Instant interdiction and since the guy is unable to shot a silent running adder with max engineered enhanced performance thrusters ... Thargoid EMP was released (Overload Wave).
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P.S. I am sure someone will record on video that :poop:
 
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Well that would separate sunday tourists from true grit explorers. I can just imagine the amount of teeth gnashing when you try to identify planet type from its hologram and hit 50th time in row instead of ELW just some iceball :D

That's not a true grit explorer. That's easy mode. True grit exploring is with a Basic Discovery Scanner, and all other bodies found via paralax scanning. If changes are going to be made to make things "harder" and "impressive" and "gatekeep out all others except those of us with significant brain problems", then I will accept nothing but the removal of the ADS. No Intermediate Discovery Scanner either.

If scanning all of the planets in the system doesn't involve several days of eye strain and migraine headaches, then it just aint exploring.

I mean, really. If we're pre-FSS but we still all get an ADS, then even worrying about the hologram is a non-issue. Just open up the system map, zoom in on possible ELW and listen to it. It will TELL YOU. You, know. If your eyes are bad like mine. :)
 
Oh yes, there was a whole science to it!

If you had good eyes you could also figure it out from the holograms, although I was always mistaking rocky ice for ELWs.
That is very interesting, i didn't know it. Crazy stuff, thanks for sharing. Being a post-engineering explorer i find inspiring how old explorers pioneered their way through the galaxy.

I know this could be in fact the explanation for the case i mentioned, yet even after knowing that i must say i feel the circunstances involved to be very odd. Why would someone travel 6kly to jump into system after system without tagging anything just the WW? Such systems had many other untouched and valuable bodies. Why spend so many time into a system to travel a long ls distance and not check out other bodies or the parent star at least?

I've been into half-scanned systems that were visited previously by 1-2 old explorers (i know them by name) and it was a totally different pattern.

I'm not saying it is not the case, but i find highly probable that some cheater could peek into a system, read its data and tag it, without ever visiting it.
 
Why would someone travel 6kly to jump into system after system without tagging anything just the WW? Such systems had many other untouched and valuable bodies. Why spend so many time into a system to travel a long ls distance and not check out other bodies or the parent star at least?
Remember, you had to fly out to each planet to scan it. It was common enough to find systems where someone had tagged just the most valuable body and moved on.
 
Remember, you had to fly out to each planet to scan it. It was common enough to find systems where someone had tagged just the most valuable body and moved on.
I even do that nowadays, travel long enough and idea of scanning all bodies in system, bah. Jump in, honk, refuel, fast look on spectrum scope, if it is just thrash, mayby tag one icy body, jump out. If there are some more valuable targets tag them, jump and go.
 
I'm not saying it is not the case, but i find highly probable that some cheater could peek into a system, read its data and tag it, without ever visiting it.

You can't tag it without visiting it because tagging is/was connected to the DSS, which only worked when you got close. The same today with this so called "instant scan" claim going around, it's just a variation of the ADS which shows you what's there, that information is available in the PC memory once the procedural key is run for the system and probably wouldn't be that hard to get at, but you can't tag anything with your name because there's a gatekeeping process in front of tagging called the FSS, the FSS is what gives you the money and the tag, the FSS is the program that reports to the FDEV servers, just as the old DSS did. Without running one of those the data doesn't get sent to the server, it's not just a matter of adjusting what's in the computer memory because that doesn't send any data to the servers that store the data.
 
Why spend so many time into a system to travel a long ls distance and not check out other bodies or the parent star at least?

Because the star and other low value bodies are worth an extra few thousand and the ELW is worth millions? The time it takes you to fly out to all the planets to DSS them for a large system just for a couple of thousand extra you could have potentially jumped through 20 or 30 more systems and maybe tagged a could of more valuable bodies. It was and always is time versus effort for some players. To check out the parent star you had to stop and maybe turn and point at it and sit there for a while, in that time if the system isn't of any value you could be in the next system.

Just as a point, Orvidius has gone through the data and there are around 20 million systems in Spansh/EDSM that have coordinate data but no main star data recorded, which means that someone jumped in, looked at the system map and jumped out without scanning anything which you could do with the old ADS system, but the coordinates still got recorded and sent with no other data.
 
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