Combat Loggers... how many are there!!!! What kind of punishment do they receive and when?

[sewerratuk]

2. There is no way Frontier could know which players have a poor connection and which players do combat log. You can not ban someone for having a bad connection.

Yes they can. They just need to check to see if they regularly drop connection during all events or just during combat

 

[StuF]

So you want Frontier to list every kind of cheat in their TOS ?
No.

Combat Logging is Cheating
+ Cheating is against TOS
= Combat Logging is against TOS.

I tried to make it simple so you can finally understand.

Ooof - a bit of sarcasm sneaking in! Someone getting tired!
Think you missed a bit of your statement - Combat Logging is Cheating FACT

Again sorry to repeat myself, but where (other than on here) is it specifically noted that exiting the game through any means the person playing the game chooses is a CHEAT?

 

[Jackboot]

3. There is a perfect solution for this problem which I already offered many times in this thread: Create a private group and ban all combat loggers yourself.

This solution does nothing to address people using this cheat in solo against NPC's who are trying to scan them or to prevent ship destruction against hostile NPC's. Making yourself invincible and invisible at will is NOT just a PVP issue.

 

[Andrew Gaspurr]

Just to cool down some tempers:

 

[StuF]

1. Just because there is a forum post about something doesn't mean that it's against the EULA. You can't ban someone for not reading the forum.
2. There is no way Frontier could know which players have a poor connection and which players do combat log. You can not ban someone for having a bad connection.
3. There is a perfect solution for this problem which I already offered many times in this thread: Create a private group and ban all combat loggers yourself.
4. If you don't want to create a private group which would solve all your problems I'll assume that combat logging isn't a problem.
5. If you want to fight equal enemies who don't run when you attack them how about fighting the code instead of unarmed traders and sidewinders?

Exactly! Especially point 1 -
Rep to you!

 

[Midian27]

Do you feel like Michael Brookes outright stating that its cheating and Sandro asking commanders to report people who are doing it to be just "trolling"?

Doesn't matter what they say. They don't actually punish anyone for it so it doesn't seem to really matter to them. They were just paying lip service to the whiners.

 

[CMDR Mini]

Ooof - a bit of sarcasm sneaking in! Someone getting tired!
Think you missed a bit of your statement - Combat Logging is Cheating FACT

Again sorry to repeat myself, but where (other than on here) is it specifically noted that exiting the game through any means the person playing the game chooses is a CHEAT?

I think game developper are the one telling what is cheat and what is not in their game
And they have stated that Combat Logging is cheating.

And sarcasm isn't my mark of being tired, just a way to deal with slow people

 

[babelfisch]

Yes they can. They just need to check to see if they regularly drop connection during all events or just during combat

Nope. Due to P2P and increase in traffic in combat situations it's possible that someones connection drops regularly in combat.

 

[StuF]

I think game developper are the one telling what is cheat and what is not in their game
And they have stated that Combat Logging is cheating.

And sarcasm isn't my mark of being tired, just a way to deal with slow people

Sarcasm combined with insults - lol
Again - not written down anywhere other than here ref the devs (opinions) - not against the rules to combat log
Until they change their terms of service

 

[Jackboot]

Nope. Due to P2P and increase in traffic in combat situations it's possible that someones connection drops regularly in combat.

I would be ok with losing a few players who apparently want to play an online only multiplayer game with a very poor unreliable internet connection if it meant we were able to prevent people from using scripts to make themselves 100% invincible at all times. I would also wager that the amount of players who routinely lose connection legitimately when their hull gets low or when a scan starts during a shadow delivery mission are quite few in number.

 

[Jypson]

It's so funny that these same guys are always spouting off, 'it's just a game! who cares, take it like a man and pay the insurance, it's just a game!'. Then if someone 'combat-logs' on them they demand official investigations, reports and bans!

 

[AJW]

I would be ok with losing a few players who apparently want to play an online only multiplayer game with a very poor unreliable internet connection if it meant we were able to prevent people from using scripts to make themselves 100% invincible at all times. I would also wager that the amount of players who routinely lose connection legitimately when their hull gets low or when a scan starts during a shadow delivery mission are quite few in number.

And how exactly are you proposing to fund the refunds to all those who are 'lost' due to FD changing their terms of service?

 

[babelfisch]

I would be ok with losing a few players who apparently want to play an online only multiplayer game with a very poor unreliable internet connection if it meant we were able to prevent people from using scripts to make themselves 100% invincible at all times. I would also wager that the amount of players who routinely lose connection legitimately when their hull gets low or when a scan starts during a shadow delivery mission are quite few in number.

If you are ok with losing a few players, how about you create a private group against combat logging? Since nobody wants to do that I start to believe that this isn't about combat logging but about griefing unarmed traders.

 

[StuF]

And how exactly are you proposing to fund the refunds to all those who are 'lost' due to FD changing their terms of service?

I would love ED to change their TOS - would facilitate actual action against these players (bans and so on)
Its what would happen to them in a court of law should they take action against paying customers (CMDR's) through banning them without changing them (TOS) that interests me

 

[AJW]

If you are ok with losing a few players, how about you create a private group against combat logging? Since nobody wants to do that I start to believe that this isn't about combat logging but about griefing unarmed traders.

I certainly get that impression. Far too often we see arguments from supporters of a free-for-all-anything-goes Open that anything not expressly forbidden by the ToS is permitted - hardly compatible with assertions that people should be banned from playing because someone else thinks they might have intentionally disconnected (which as yet nobody has demonstrated is against any rule written by FD). If you don't like (alleged) 'combat logging', start your own group, and you can impose your own rules...

 

[CMDR Mini]

I would love ED to change their TOS - would facilitate actual action against these players (bans and so on)
Its what would happen to them in a court of law should they take action against paying customers (CMDR's) through banning them without changing them (TOS) that interests me

Simple again, shadow ban them.
They can still play the game, but only with other combat loggers and cheater.

 

[AJW]

I would love ED to change their TOS - would facilitate actual action against these players (bans and so on)
Its what would happen to them in a court of law should they take action against paying customers (CMDR's) through banning them without changing them (TOS) that interests me

I'm sure it would interest the lawyers involved too. I suspect however that FD have plans which don't include generating massive negative publicity in court cases they are unlikely to win. Breaching a contract because you think someone might be possibly doing something that isn't contractually excluded anyway and then going to court over it isn't generally considered good business practice.

 

[Kenaz]

Seriously? No.
Please don't associate any of my posts with crap like that. You really need a viewpoint readjustment

I shouldn't have singled you out. That wasn't very fair. I apologize.

If you understand that though, and have a shred of empathy, you should be able to understand why people might play in open.

Which was my point. I have no problem with banning combat loggers... I actually have no problem with combat loggers either. My problem with these threads is the repeated social issue that people keep telling other players to stop playing in open. There are many other reasons someone might want to play in open other than to be violated by another player's lead and plasma.

 

[StuF]

Simple again, shadow ban them.
They can still play the game, but only with other combat loggers and cheater.

So deny them content and interaction with other members of the game for breaking an unwritten rule?
Nope - still an unwarranted punishment for doing nothing against the (current) TOS

Cant legally enforce changing a paying customers rights within a gaming environment for stepping over or breaking a "perceived" rule

 

[AJW]

Simple again, shadow ban them.
They can still play the game, but only with other combat loggers and cheater.

See breach of contract.