You would propose I create a private group were people aren't allowed to use cheats???
Combat Loggers... how many are there!!!! What kind of punishment do they receive and when?
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You would propose I create a private group were people aren't allowed to use cheats???
Yep why not?
You could then control who played in your Private Group just like they do in Mobius
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FD could do something about it, if you don't log out in a controlled menu driven fashion then like when you loose a ship, and you end up at your last docked station you could log back in at the last controlled log out point. (or a scaling system of back a controlled point for very frequent occurrences)
Make the controlled logout at least 60 seconds, ie handshaking still occurring between clients in the same instances.
If it was a network traffic issue then said person hasn't lost a ship or his cargo etc or been banned (yet)
Switching between solo open and groups should have a time cap on it as well, maybe 24 hours between switching or even 7 days?
People are not screaming at the top of their heads on here about every time that they are in combat or high traffic situations that the game is falling over and bombing out are they? if it were that we'd be hearing it, (too late to start now) amazingly they can log back in with no problems.
These people would be on FD's case screaming for their money back - they don't appear to be do they.
I am not saying that they SHOULD do this - but it is something that COULD be considered.
Like the games tagline they are blazing a trail their own way ;-)
Make the controlled logout at least 60 seconds, ie handshaking still occurring between clients in the same instances.
If it was a network traffic issue then said person hasn't lost a ship or his cargo etc or been banned (yet)
Switching between solo open and groups should have a time cap on it as well, maybe 24 hours between switching or even 7 days?
People are not screaming at the top of their heads on here about every time that they are in combat or high traffic situations that the game is falling over and bombing out are they? if it were that we'd be hearing it, (too late to start now) amazingly they can log back in with no problems.
These people would be on FD's case screaming for their money back - they don't appear to be do they.
I am not saying that they SHOULD do this - but it is something that COULD be considered.
Like the games tagline they are blazing a trail their own way ;-)
Yeah, it's pretty much just you dude. Wind you're neck in. I don't agree with the opposing view point either but to equate it to sexual assault is disgusting. You give one too much credit and greatly diminish the severity of the other by drawing these comparisons.
You owe an apology to the users in this thread for drawing a comparison between their behaviour and that of a sexual predator.
Then you need to apologise to every victim for trivialising what has happened to them by equating it to a minor issue in an online computer game.
People like you need a slap. A really hefty slap.
Rubbish! Go destroy a clean CMDR in policed space (better yet, pick an unarmed T9 fully loaded with high value cargo) and compare the consequences you receive vs the cost to the trader. Or better still, you fly the T9 and wait for some ganking scum to blow you away. Yes, the consequences need to be contextual (eg anything goes in anarchic space so little or no consequences there, combat zones) but to suggest the punishment for destroying even clean ships (in particular fellow members of the Pilot's Federation) in what is supposed to be policed space, and therefore relatively secure and subject to appropriate laws, is too much at present is simply laughable in my opinion.
You can't add a delay from switching between modes without annoying a lot of people.
You can't make a ship destruction based on network disconnection. The possibilities of real griefing are immense.
"Look - Player Z has logged in! Guildies, quick! Swamp his connection and we'll blow up his Conda for lulz!"
Just no thanks.
You can't make a ship destruction based on network disconnection. The possibilities of real griefing are immense.
"Look - Player Z has logged in! Guildies, quick! Swamp his connection and we'll blow up his Conda for lulz!"
Just no thanks.
I'm not equating video game assault to sexual assault, that's disproportionate and incomparable.
The issue is the the mental justification people use to convince themselves that its somehow OK to tell others off that they should not come out into the open.
I do apologize if that wasn't clear.
Again, I have no issue with PKers nor people trying to escape PKs
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apart from:
the ship wont be controlled for 15 seconds and is still taking damage when you shoot it "if you use the correct method. and really in 15 seconds flying in a straight line, being shot at you are probably going to be dead unless you did it straight away"
compared to:
taking no damage at all then disappear..
So, your doubt is kind of funny as Its quite Easy to tell the difference really.
Banning customers, brilliant idea. PVP is a minority group and the reason others don't like them is largely because of their own behaviour. Wake up, take responsibility for your own actions.
That is true enough. but still if combat logging dont stop it is what will be forced upon us.
its what happened to every other MMORPG with a real "loss on death" pvp system i ever played.
Sometimes its just you lose 1/2 your health.
But again it only happens when in combat. so would have to initiate combat 1st. and would be easy enough to prove that every time "a member of group a started combat, or was involved in combat. the opponent lost connection"
There would be plenty of people recording their encounters online to show they didnt not do anything untoward, that their internet was still on but they were ping flooded.
So those people would probably end up arrested rather than banned. not very common for them to be arrested, but if you could prove it thats a fine or 5-10 years. for ping flooding.
i always find it strange that people wouyld risk that kind of punishment over a game though.. But hey ho the law was only added in 1986, so many people may not know about it.
STILL. its a lot of work to prove but provable if you want to take the time to prove it.
not his idea. was FD's idea.. they are probably doing it too. but for all you know all the repete Combat logggers are floating about in a server full of other combat loggers.
Complaining instancing does not work because they cant see their friends but all their friends can see each other.
Or they say
I can see freiend 1 and friend 1 can seem me but we cant see friend 2 and he cannot see us.
And every one say probably router.
But could easily be either they are shaddow banned or he is.
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Why not? I'm sure it would be very popular.
Group exists, its called open.
I have seen an interview with Braben where he was asked about griefing - he said that tgey could detect griefing behaviour and shunt griefers into their own instance where the could happily grief each other.
yeah his definition of griefing isnt the same as yours though is it.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------Om actually, in those 12 specifically 1vs1, some had worse, some had better.... But hey, here you are a bit mistaken.....better ships? define? My clipper vs a python, which you consider better? Or my DBE vs Python, again any comments on this? But no. Don't do, the topic was for another matter, it's not personal or about fairness or whatever
I flying around in a side winder and was inducted and destroyed by a clipper +'gang'... wow! that's a challenge for combat,and the counter argument is ..your griefing on newies..
besides. are you playing as a pirate or as a mass murderer? ( just kills for progress in rank ??).
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SO WHY ARE PLAYERS LOGGING WHEN THERE IS PvE GROUPS?--------------------------------------------------------
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A pirate will threaten ( and fire I agree) ,, but not destroy... a pirate will use cargo limpets, give a warning etc...but not always destroy.. the reason loging can happen has to be a question of past experience from your victims.. Pirates are pirates not murderers. induct, threaten,scan , and when they run ..fire to slow down -- launch you cargo door limpets,and watch the cargo drop ,, collect and let the 'victim' run.. The way a LOT of pirates play . causes 'logging' .. you get greedy and want more than half my cargo, you attack even if I in a sidewinder, as soon as inducted I,m blasted and destroyed---this causes a double negative because I have the cost of a new ship plus the cost of cargo lose-- If I drop you still shoot to kill and keep shooting till i'm destroyed--despite dropping cargo!--- as a trader -on my own- you wing up and have mega big ships.. and still blast a sidey or a hauler with a rate of harmless-- where is the reason for it- I'll never get into a cobra or a asp this way.so ,So ,am I playing a game I brought or am I here just to please you ?...... worth a penny for your thoughts..
Because grieving is, as written above, different point of view for each of us. and pirate destroying ships is infact a 'way of grieving' traders.
Pirates would learn to watch the last half (42.00 onwards)of this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiwzwBNhnrM
Edit" I generalise pirates, you may not take and kill. but experience , even "playing in game" has taught me that " playing in character'has no advantage to me, just total lose... if pirates don't take note of the above you tube link,, it will be a shame to note, but,soon, the only people to pirate will be newies and other pirates.
thank god for pvE groups.
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Go ahead then, be a jerk to people. It's not against the rules. See how many people want to "PVP" with you again.
I'm banging a drum about this but its become so accepted now that even Frontier Development Affiliated Twitch streamers are doing this live on their streams. Affiliated gamers who are meant to be upholding values of the game, promoting it and show casing it to potential purchasers, and its deemed acceptable. I'm actually quite angry to have watched it happen knowing that despite all the hyperbole from the devs (and it is hyperbole if they remain inactive on this) nothing gets done.
/RANT!
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Comments like this and this type of attitude are damaging to the longevity of Elite, as a community we should be rejecting cheaters not giving in to it and accepting it. Cheaters in game should be shunned and banned like they are in other games, not excused. Try openly cheating in a game of BF whilst streaming and see how long you last before you are banned from the server.
It is only a game but its not on, it wrecks the spirit of the game when people cheat and its doubly poor when the people doing it are actually affiliated to the game makers.
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