Combat logging no longer an exploit? * trigger warning *

[[VR] Mad Mike]

So during a discussion on another thread it was questions by (i assume) a newer forum member as to weather combat logging was against the rules or simply frowned apon. They were directed to the EULA and terms of service agreement.

However i had a quick skim and could not actualy find a reference that i could conclude covered combat logging.

Then i knew there was a post by sandro many moons ago that directly clarified that it was considered an exploit and was cheating and not alowed. So i tryed to find it and for the life of me i could not.

Eventualy using various anciant art forms of divination i managed to find a threat that referenced the fabled sandro thread..

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/105778-%C2%93Combat-Logging%C2%94-Update

It was titled ''combat logging:update''
As you will see its been removed.

Then i tryed to find a single official reference to combat logging and the rules around it, and i just cant find a thing..

Have frontier stealth redacted the stance on combat logging?

Given how many new players and forumites we now have.. alot of the sage wisdom and advice known by the veterans has been lost in to the ages it seems and perhaps also by the devs as alot of the old posts seem to have been removed or archived and dont show up on searches.

How are the new pups suposed to know all this legacy info.. or indeed perhaps us old timers are now out of date?

I know clarity and well, any comunication from fev has been in steep decline over the past 2 years.. and it wasnt exactly strong to begin with lol, but perhaps we could get a word on the state of all this.

Alot of what is banded about as common knowledge has become less common of late, and the sources of such knowledge seem to be becoming, more and more obscured.

God i miss the old days or engaging beta dissgussions and live chat streams.

Can't comment on current EULA but the official line is logging via menu and count down timer is ok. Dirty logging by power cord/ethernet cord pulling or anything similar is an exploit.
Quite a lot of stuff "known" by the regulars.has been lost. A whole bunch of stuff was either simply not copied over or locked away to the unwashed masses in the great forum migration.
I don't think it was ever the case to have game licence revoked for doing it, however IF a player got an official warning but still chose to ignore it they could get banned from open play for a limited time.
Christ FD let money exploiters who exploited at the time HUGE amounts of cash get away with it and keep the money!!! they made instance swapping to reset barnacles required gameplay in a CG and all they did was confiscate the 5:1 cheaters stuff from them (after up to 12 months of them ruining the game for many including altering the ending of a book). FD is imo the, let's put this politely, the most tolerant developer when it comes to "forgiving" cheaters and exploiters in any MMO I can think of

 

[Navigare Necesse Est]

I play how and with whom I want.

 

[PeLucheuh]

There is no issue with doing anything the way you want to, it's when doing what you want to do interferes with someone else doing what they want to do is the issue.

It is not an issue though, but exactly how the game works in Open. Looks like the issue is a lack of knowledge or understanding of the game.

We can all equally play the way we want according to what the game's rules and mechanics allow. What matters is not how one wants the game to be played but how rules and mechanics define how the game can be played (many different ways that are not mutually exclusive).

If a player want the game to be restricted to what he wants, it can choose a restrictive mode a.k.a solo/PG.

 

[Skip Rockbounder]

It is not an issue though, but exactly how the game works in Open. Looks like the issue is a lack of knowledge or understanding of the game.

We can all equally play the way we want according to what the game's rules and mechanics allow. What matters is not how one wants the game to be played but how rules and mechanics dedine how the game can be played (many diffrent ways that are not mutually exclusive).

If a player want the game to be restricted to what he wants, it can choose a restrictive mode a.k.a solo/PG.

Yeah, but only to a point, if you wanna play 'Murderhobo' and have targets as real commanders then you must choose Open or a large PG (it's unlikely you'd be welcome there though) so that strict 'discipline' of 'psycho combat' must be catered for in open, then you affect other people's choices in the game, as has already been established you can murder ten harmless victims on the trot and ruin ten peoples game or ten people have gained experience and an eventful gaming session, or parts of... that depends on their outlook, so really your chosen playstyle might not be cross modal and the choices you make do affect other people, and it can't be monitored under the current ELUA
Can I think of another way of doing stuff... nope, though my (an outsider) lad put forward a solution that could benefit the playerbase as a whole and reduce the 'ganking/bullying/griefing' but it's not totally resource free and wouldn't be as low maintenance as FDev's doing nothing solution.

 

[Ezren]

Let's review dude. I never said who the receiver of the doxing was.
Morgan ignorantly replied "gankers good, loggers bad" when in fact it was the loggers that were also the gankers in this situation as well. Tell me again how I'm wrong other than apparently I did mention the doxers were gankers as well, which Morgan conveniently missed somehow.

Keep moving those goalposts, maybe you can salvage something. Tell another little anecdote that has no point. Maybe some more big bold font to distract from the sound of you stumbling to save face.

Next time don't try to rub some imaginary victory in somebody's face when you misread your own post so badly. You're embarrassing yourself and just taking your embarrassment on tour at this point.

 

[Ezren]

Can't comment on current EULA but the official line is logging via menu and count down timer is ok. Dirty logging by power cord/ethernet cord pulling or anything similar is an exploit.

One is a function of and within the game. The other is using external forces to modify your game state.

The only people really confused by the whole concept just don't want to accept this.

 

[Cheese Helmet]

I play how and with whom I want.

Combat logging isn't playing. It's avoidance of gameplay mechanics.

 

[Navigare Necesse Est]

Combat logging isn't playing. It's avoidance of gameplay mechanics.

I dont mind.

 

[Cheese Helmet]

I dont mind.

Well at least you own your dirt bag mindest.

 

[Skip Rockbounder]

Well at least you own your dirt bag mindest.

You shouldn't let it upset you so much, after all what does it matter?

 

[Navigare Necesse Est]

You shouldn't let it upset you so much, after all what does it matter?

Some ppl go ballistic if one particular pixel is blue and not red. It is of no concern to most people.

 

[Riverside]

Some ppl go ballistic if one particular pixel is blue and not red. It is of no concern to most people.

Most things are of no concern to most people

Just don't cheat, and if someone does (and are caught doing so) it's reasonable to assume there should be some consequence to that. In a competitive environment (like the BGS or PvP) that's important. So it is of concern to those people.

In general I take the view that if a player has to cheat to compete they probably aren't much of a threat (without cheating). However there are occasions where it is abused, those are more of a concern. Regardless of what the actual cheat or exploit is, it matters to competitors, who all have varying views on what is & isn't okay. FDev's view is the one that's important.

 

[Skip Rockbounder]

Most things are of no concern to most people

Just don't cheat, and if someone does (and are caught doing so) it's reasonable to assume there should be some consequence to that. In a competitive environment (like the BGS or PvP) that's important. So it is of concern to those people.

In general I take the view that if a player has to cheat to compete they probably aren't much of a threat (without cheating). However there are occasions where it is abused, those are more of a concern. Regardless of what the actual cheat or exploit is, it matters to competitors, who all have varying views on what is & isn't okay. FDev's view is the one that's important.

The thing is that between the two points of Black and White there is Grey and it's many many shades.

 

[Riverside]

The thing is that between the two points of Black and White there is Grey and it's many many shades.

Yes I covered that.

Regardless of what the actual cheat or exploit is, it matters to competitors, who all have varying views on what is & isn't okay. FDev's view is the one that's important.

 

[Navigare Necesse Est]

Most things are of no concern to most people

Just don't cheat, and if someone does (and are caught doing so) it's reasonable to assume there should be some consequence to that. In a competitive environment (like the BGS or PvP) that's important. So it is of concern to those people.

In general I take the view that if a player has to cheat to compete they probably aren't much of a threat (without cheating). However there are occasions where it is abused, those are more of a concern. Regardless of what the actual cheat or exploit is, it matters to competitors, who all have varying views on what is & isn't okay. FDev's view is the one that's important.

I don't concern myself with how others want to play their game either.

 

[TiberiusDuval]

One last thing. Back in my ganking days, it wasn't the guy Clogging in the defenseless Asp because he was getting ganked that really bothered me, it was the guys that did it in legit PvP combat that were and are the real problem and really should be punished/banned for doing it. I'm not saying that the guy in the defenseless asp should be allowed to do it but he's also not the one causing the biggest problems or the one that's actively and knowingly cheating the system.

I have never clogged though I must admit, last time full wing of "emergent content providers" pummeled my then semi-engineered Cutter to pieces I really wanted to push power button on my router. Did not do so, as I considered it nasty cheating.

 

[Sir Ganksalot]

Keep moving those goalposts, maybe you can salvage something. Tell another little anecdote that has no point. Maybe some more big bold font to distract from the sound of you stumbling to save face.

Next time don't try to rub some imaginary victory in somebody's face when you misread your own post so badly. You're embarrassing yourself and just taking your embarrassment on tour at this point.

Ok bud
Keep making mountains out of mole hills.
Morgan completely misread my post and I called him out on it.
I forgot that I did mention the logger/doxer is a ganker. Still doesn't change the fact that he misread my post.

 

[Ezren]

Ok bud
Keep making mountains out of mole hills.
Morgan completely misread my post and I called him out on it.
I forgot that I did mention the logger/doxer is a ganker. Still doesn't change the fact that he misread my post.

You misread your own post. Your big "gotcha" was you claiming that you didn't do the thing that you forgot you did.

 

[Sir Ganksalot]

You misread your own post. Your big "gotcha" was you claiming that you didn't do the thing that you forgot you did.

 

[Theodrid]

Say it again, don't condone combat logging but it's either pretend space pixels of no consequence or it isn't. Some of you cannot have your cake and eat it, they can't be pretend space pixels of no consequence when a murderhobo blows up an explorer, miner or trader and then be vitally important pixels when some of you don't get your 'plodeys.

And frankly folks that have cheated still preaching how others shouldn't is priceless, the reek of hypocrisy is almost overwhelming.