COMBAT LOGGING solution -= EASY and WORKING =-

[SnowyNI]

They don't, you wont be prosecuted or taken to prison, fined, but they DO have a say in who can login to their servers and by not following their rules you will not be one of them.

Which then opens the "offline mode" can of worms. I don't think FD can win, not with the server (if you can call it that) type they use.

 

[CmdrChorusLindarr]

EULA section 3a, as clarified here:

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...ging”-Update?p=1642728&viewfull=1#post1642728



Which means you CAN shut the game down when you want, via the usual menu method.

There's currently a known bug in the game (something to do with the adjudication server) that makes your screen go black after a kill in a CZ with a number of massacre missions stacked.

The only option here is to use TM to exit the game, as the entire game is unresponsive.

This issue has been around for ages and has a number of support tickets flagged by multiple players.

I hope that when FDev starts "taking action" against players for using TM to exist the game, they are able to distinguish between a case of combat logging and one of these adjudication server errors that are in no way the fault of the player.

 

[Noctover]

Which then opens the "offline mode" can of worms. I don't think FD can win, not with the server (if you can call it that) type they use.

You still need to be connected to the servers to play offline , and the rules apply to both

 

[shadragon]

Ugh, not to ruin your plan, but ED isn't known for the most stable of servers. Lol
And we get quite a few CTDs, especially in combat.

Hate to rain on your parade, but I've had nothing but stability for two years of play and never had a CTD in combat. Sounds like your PC / router / ISP needs some attention.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

It's nothing to do with your machine, it's to do with the game itself.

That's my point. I didn't use any of the game features when killing a task. I used a Windows feature. Which is outside of the game.

 

[Noctover]

Cheats adjust parameters within the game. And I still need the game's code to make use of them.

I think it's a good question as well

So in my contract when I bought the game there should be an explicit mention.

I bet it's something along the lines of: FD is free to dream up any rule they like while you're using this product, and if you don't like it you can join the club.

Come on mate i think your just arguing for arguments sake. Play the game as you like, quit when you like, sat in a station? or in the middle of no where? or in no danger? Alt+F4 all you like. Combat log once or get cut off at the unfortunate time genuinely during the time of threat? Doubt FD are going to take action against a one off.

Its really simple...if you consistently terminate your game at a time of danger you are exploiting the rules for your own gain which is against the rules, people have been told, warned, what is the issue honestly?

 

[Whitehair]

You still need to be connected to the servers to play offline , and the rules apply to both

Nope. Thats mutually exclusive!

 

[CmdrChorusLindarr]

Real crime and punishment is a fantasy. Doesn't matter how much you talk about it and convince yourself you've found a flawless set of rules everyone can play nice by, myself and other people will break them just for the challenge of breaking them.

And I don't even go out of my way to attack other players, I just like breaking arbitrary, restrictive rules that inhibit my gameplay, especially in a game that is supposed to be an open sandbox.

Crime and Punishment is just a reward for the real griefers. It legitimizes their style of play.

Have you just inadvertently outed yourself as a slimy griefer?

Spoiler

j/k

 

[bootsam]

Hate to rain on your parade, but I've had nothing but stability for two years of play and never had a CTD in combat. Sounds like your PC / router / ISP needs some attention.

Even Ive had a few pre VR days in CZ's whilst in solo or group. Plus my router/pc and ISP are top notch. Sometimes the world just goes pwfhutt.

 

[SnowyNI]

You still need to be connected to the servers to play offline , and the rules apply to both

Sorry, I think you missed my point, I was on about the mode that got promised then removed whereby we could play offline, in solo, with no DRM (killed off because they couldn't make the economy work offline - they hate Maths is seems ).

 

[shadragon]

I'm aware of the FD statement, but I am wondering whether they have the right to have any say in my use of the task manager. My windows, my pc, my call to shut down anything whenever I darn well please.

(Disclaimer: I would never and think CL is disgraceful)

I suspect a graceful disconnection (using menu log off) and forced disconnection (using TaskMgr or yanking a cable) would be treated differently by the devs. I would hope so anyway.

Identifying someone purposely disconnecting and a drop off due to network issues would be challenging, but over a long term this is doable.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Come on mate i think your just arguing for arguments sake.

Very much so!

Play the game as you like, quit when you like, sat in a station? or in the middle of no where? or in no danger? Alt+F4 all you like. Combat log once or get cut off at the unfortunate time genuinely during the time of threat? Doubt FD are going to take action against a one off.

Its really simple...if you consistently terminate your game at a time of danger you are exploiting the rules for your own gain which is against the rules, people have been told, warned, what is the issue honestly?

The issue is merely academic. I am wondering. Questions live in my head. I voice those questions. On a medium that I am told is geared toward discussion. What indeed is the issue?

I'm not exploiting any Elite Dangerous feature.

 

[Noctover]

Sorry, I think you missed my point, I was on about the mode that got promised then removed whereby we could play offline, in solo, with no DRM (killed off because they couldn't make the economy work offline - they hate Maths is seems ).

I did miss the point, sorry.

 

[CmdrChorusLindarr]

We're back.

Just a reminder of the rules:

DO NOT insult, badger, harass or incite other forum users.

All modes of play are equal and fine, there is no 'coward' mode or 'psycho mode'

it is fine to exit the game via the menu, which may involve a timer where appropriate. Any other exit from the game is not fine.

The topic of this thread was about decreasing the cost of death from PvP, and not a discussion about griefers, combat loggers, modes or anything else.

Now, with a warning over conduct, continue.

But combat logging is in the very thread title?

 

[Cosmos]

I bet it's something along the lines of: FD is free to dream up any rule they like while you're using this product, and if you don't like it you can join the club.

I agree EULAs are a bit on dodgy side yet ubiquitous and unchallenged. They, as far as I am aware, have never been challenged in court and its about time they were frankly. I'm not sure ED would make a good test case since OS EULAs are far more suspect and Frontier aren't particularly aggressive in enforcing the rules.

However, to answer your question, they do indeed appear to allow companies to changes any rules they want at a moments notice.

 

[shadragon]

Sorry, I think you missed my point, I was on about the mode that got promised then removed whereby we could play offline, in solo, with no DRM (killed off because they couldn't make the economy work offline - they hate Maths is seems ).

Yet you are still playing TWO YEARS after those events transpired (and after the offer of a refund which you presumably declined) so frankly you can't be that upset about it.

 

[Starstrydur]

EULA section 3a, as clarified here:

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...ging”-Update?p=1642728&viewfull=1#post1642728



Which means you CAN shut the game down when you want, via the usual menu method.

I'm pretty sure I paid for the game before that post but I guess that doesn't matter.

 

[SnowyNI]

Yet you are still playing TWO YEARS after those events transpired (and after the offer of a refund which you presumably declined) so frankly you can't be that upset about it.

I play (rarely these days), but always in silent protest! Deep down, it boils my blood (Betrayal doesn't sit well with me).

 

[Vorxian]

Let me get this straight... just so I'm absolutely clear. If you bind Alt+F4 to chaff.. and you're in combat, and use chaff... you'll get a disciplinary?

 

[Cosmos]

Yet you are still playing TWO YEARS after those events transpired (and after the offer of a refund which you presumably declined) so frankly you can't be that upset about it.

I dont remember any offer of a refund..