Completing Zoo Tycoon 2: How far we've come?

Fallax · Sep 20, 2023

NZFanatic said:
I'm not even sure other gorillas are actually kept in captivity. I know the mountain gorilla isn't. Is the Cross River gorilla? Or Eastern lowland?

Edit: a quick Google tells me there are (or recently were) two elderly eastern lowland gorillas at Antwerp Zoo but that's it.

At least with different giraffe species and subspecies you can be sure there's a precedent for including them.

Only one left at Antwerp now, the other one died a few years back.

Milurian · Sep 21, 2023

YesIndeed said:
Zoo tycoon 2 did release in November 2004. They could do this for final pack of next year and make for the 20th anniversary of zoo tycoon 2.

I wish hopefully by the time the end of next year rolls around there will be only 8 animals from zt2 left

Milurian · Sep 21, 2023

CThree16 said:
I'm not certain it's a salient point either way. No way a second gorilla is important to include.

that isnt the point of the post the post is looking at zoo tycoon and comparing what animals are still left to add in planet zoo doesn't matter if they are important animals just that they are from zoo tycoon and not in planet zoo

Milurian · Sep 21, 2023

yoav_r said:
So, I noticed we are very very close to completing the roster of Zoo Tycoon 2 (fully marine and extinct animals not included).

Here's the analysis:

Animal Zoo Tycoon Zoo Tycoon 2 Planet Zoo
Aardvark
V
V
Addax V V
Afican Lion
V
V
V
African Buffalo
V
V
V
African crested porcupine V
African Penguin
V
African Savannah Elephant
V
V
V
African Spurred Tortoise
V
African wild ass V
African Wild Dog
V
V
V
Aldabra Giant Tortoise
V
Alpine Ibex
V
V
V
American Alligator
V
American Bison
V
V
V
American black bear
V
Arctic Fox
V
Arctic Wolf
V
V
Asian Black Bear
V
V
Formosan
Asian Elephant
V
V
V
Asian Rhino
Javan
Javan
Indian
Asian Small-Clawed Otter
V
Asian water monitor V
Bactrian Camel
V
Baird's Tapir
V
V
Barbary Ape
V
Bengal Tiger
V
V
V
Binturong
V
Black-and-white Ruffed Lemur
V
Blackbuck V
Black Rhino
V
V
V
Black-Tailed Prairie Dog
V
Black wildebeest V
Blue wildebeest V V V
Bongo
V
V
V
Bonobo
V
Bornean Orangutan
V
V
V
California Sea Lion
V
V
V
Capybara
V
Caracal
V
V
Cheetah
V
V
V
Chimpanzee
V
V
Western
Chinese Pangolin
V
Clouded Leopard
V
V
Colombian white-faced Capuchin
V
Common Ostrich
V
V
V
Common Warthog
V
V
V
Common Wombat
V
Cougar
V
V
V
Cuvier's Dwarf Caiman
V
Dama gazelle V
Dhole
V
Dingo
V
Dromedary Camel
V
V
V
Emu
V
Elephant Seal
V
Emperor/King Penguin
Emperor Penguin
Emperor Penguin
King Penguin
Ethiopian Wolf
V
European Badger
V
European Fallow Deer
V
Fennec Fox
V
V
Fossa V
Galapagos Giant Tortoise
V
V
Gelada
V
Gemsbok
V
V
V
Gerenuk
V
Gharial
V
Giant Anteater
V
V
Giant Otter
V
Giant Panda
V
V
V
Gibbon Crested Lar
Giraffe
V
Reticulated + Masai
Reticulated
Gorilla
Western Lowland
Mountain
Western Lowland
Gray Wolf
V
V
V
Greater Flamingo
V
V
V
Green Sea Turtle
V
V
Grey Seal
V
Grizzly Bear
V
V
V
Himalayan Brown Bear
V
Hippopotamus
V
V
V
Honey Badger
V
Indian Peafowl
V
V
Japanese Serow
V
Jaguar
V
V
V
Japanese Macaque
V
Koala
V
V
Komodo Dragon
V
V
V
Leatherback Sea Turtle
V
Leopard
V
V
Amur
Little blue penguin V
Llama
V
V
Lynx
Spanish Lynx
Eurasian Lynx
Malayan Tapir
V
V
Mandrill
V
V
V
Maned Wolf
V
Markhor
V
V
Meerkat
V
V
Moose
V
V
V
Musk Ox
V
Nile Crocodile
V
Nile Lechwe
V
Nile Monitor
V
V
Nine-banded Armadillo
V
North American Beaver
V
V
North American Sheep
Bighorn Sheep
Dall Sheep
North island brown kiwi V
North Sulawesi Babirusa
V
Nyala
V
Okapi
V
V
V
Olive Baboon
V
Plains Zebra
V
V
V
Platypus
V
Polar Bear
V
V
V
Proboscis Monkey
V
Pronghorn
V
Przewalski's Horse
V
V
V
Pygmy Hippo
V
V
Raccoon
V
Red deer
V
Red Fox
V
Red Kangaroo
V
V
V
Red-necked Wallaby
V
Red Panda
V
V
Red Ruffed Lemur
V
Red-crowned Crane
V
Red river hog V
Reindeer
V
V
V
Ring-tailed Lemur
V
V
Rockhopper Penguin
V
Quokka V
Sable Antelope
V
V
V
Sand cat V
Saltwater Crocodile
V
V
Scimitar-Horned Oryx
V
V
Sea Otter
V
V
Secretary Bird
V
Siamang V
Siberian Tiger
V
V
Snow Leopard
V
V
V
Southern Cassowary
V
Spectacled Bear
V
Spectacled Caiman
V
Spotted Hyena
V
V
Springbok
V
Striped Hyena
V
V
Striped skunk
V
Sun Bear
V
Tasmanian devil V
Thomson's Gazelle
V
V
V
Walrus
V
V
White Rhino
V
Southern
Wild Water Buffalo
V
Wolverine
V

So Overall, PZ completely surpassed both ZT Games:

Zoo Tycoon Zoo Tycoon 2 Planet Zoo
Num of Terrestrial animals 61 81 130

Now, here's a list of species found in Zoo Tycoon/Zoo Tycoon 2 That are not yet in Planet Zoo.

Species
American Black Bear
Bighorn Sheep
Blackbuck
Elephant Seal
Japanese Serow
Olive Baboon

Species
African Spurred Tortoise
Barbary Ape
Crested Gibbon
Ethiopian Wolf
Gelada
Gerenuk
Giraffe (Masai)
Honey Badger
Iberian Lynx
Leatherback Sea Turtle
Musk Ox
Nile Crocodile
Rockhopper Penguin
Secretary Bird
Spectacled Bear
Wolverine

Species
Emperor Penguin
Green Sea Turtle
Javan Rhino
Markhor
Sea Otter
Walrus

Do you think they are necessary? We are extremely close to "completing the PZ roster"

Edit: Changed lists format

can I ask how did you format the list I want to make another list for specifically zoo tycoon xbox.

yoav_r · Sep 21, 2023

Milurian said:
can I ask how did you format the list I want to make another list for specifically zoo tycoon xbox.

I copied a list from the internet

Milurian · Sep 21, 2023

yoav_r said:
I copied a list from the internet

I meant like how did you put as a comment with all the tabs.

Firestar97 · Sep 21, 2023

yoav_r said:
So, I noticed we are very very close to completing the roster of Zoo Tycoon 2 (fully marine and extinct animals not included).

Here's the analysis:

Animal Zoo Tycoon Zoo Tycoon 2 Planet Zoo
Aardvark
V
V
Addax V V
Afican Lion
V
V
V
African Buffalo
V
V
V
African crested porcupine V
African Penguin
V
African Savannah Elephant
V
V
V
African Spurred Tortoise
V
African wild ass V
African Wild Dog
V
V
V
Aldabra Giant Tortoise
V
Alpine Ibex
V
V
V
American Alligator
V
American Bison
V
V
V
American black bear
V
Arctic Fox
V
Arctic Wolf
V
V
Asian Black Bear
V
V
Formosan
Asian Elephant
V
V
V
Asian Rhino
Javan
Javan
Indian
Asian Small-Clawed Otter
V
Asian water monitor V
Bactrian Camel
V
Baird's Tapir
V
V
Barbary Ape
V
Bengal Tiger
V
V
V
Binturong
V
Black-and-white Ruffed Lemur
V
Blackbuck V
Black Rhino
V
V
V
Black-Tailed Prairie Dog
V
Black wildebeest V
Blue wildebeest V V V
Bongo
V
V
V
Bonobo
V
Bornean Orangutan
V
V
V
California Sea Lion
V
V
V
Capybara
V
Caracal
V
V
Cheetah
V
V
V
Chimpanzee
V
V
Western
Chinese Pangolin
V
Clouded Leopard
V
V
Colombian white-faced Capuchin
V
Common Ostrich
V
V
V
Common Warthog
V
V
V
Common Wombat
V
Cougar
V
V
V
Cuvier's Dwarf Caiman
V
Dama gazelle V
Dhole
V
Dingo
V
Dromedary Camel
V
V
V
Emu
V
Elephant Seal
V
Emperor/King Penguin
Emperor Penguin
Emperor Penguin
King Penguin
Ethiopian Wolf
V
European Badger
V
European Fallow Deer
V
Fennec Fox
V
V
Fossa V
Galapagos Giant Tortoise
V
V
Gelada
V
Gemsbok
V
V
V
Gerenuk
V
Gharial
V
Giant Anteater
V
V
Giant Otter
V
Giant Panda
V
V
V
Gibbon Crested Lar
Giraffe
V
Reticulated + Masai
Reticulated
Gorilla
Western Lowland
Mountain
Western Lowland
Gray Wolf
V
V
V
Greater Flamingo
V
V
V
Green Sea Turtle
V
V
Grey Seal
V
Grizzly Bear
V
V
V
Himalayan Brown Bear
V
Hippopotamus
V
V
V
Honey Badger
V
Indian Peafowl
V
V
Japanese Serow
V
Jaguar
V
V
V
Japanese Macaque
V
Koala
V
V
Komodo Dragon
V
V
V
Leatherback Sea Turtle
V
Leopard
V
V
Amur
Little blue penguin V
Llama
V
V
Lynx
Spanish Lynx
Eurasian Lynx
Malayan Tapir
V
V
Mandrill
V
V
V
Maned Wolf
V
Markhor
V
V
Meerkat
V
V
Moose
V
V
V
Musk Ox
V
Nile Crocodile
V
Nile Lechwe
V
Nile Monitor
V
V
Nine-banded Armadillo
V
North American Beaver
V
V
North American Sheep
Bighorn Sheep
Dall Sheep
North island brown kiwi V
North Sulawesi Babirusa
V
Nyala
V
Okapi
V
V
V
Olive Baboon
V
Plains Zebra
V
V
V
Platypus
V
Polar Bear
V
V
V
Proboscis Monkey
V
Pronghorn
V
Przewalski's Horse
V
V
V
Pygmy Hippo
V
V
Raccoon
V
Red deer
V
Red Fox
V
Red Kangaroo
V
V
V
Red-necked Wallaby
V
Red Panda
V
V
Red Ruffed Lemur
V
Red-crowned Crane
V
Red river hog V
Reindeer
V
V
V
Ring-tailed Lemur
V
V
Rockhopper Penguin
V
Quokka V
Sable Antelope
V
V
V
Sand cat V
Saltwater Crocodile
V
V
Scimitar-Horned Oryx
V
V
Sea Otter
V
V
Secretary Bird
V
Siamang V
Siberian Tiger
V
V
Snow Leopard
V
V
V
Southern Cassowary
V
Spectacled Bear
V
Spectacled Caiman
V
Spotted Hyena
V
V
Springbok
V
Striped Hyena
V
V
Striped skunk
V
Sun Bear
V
Tasmanian devil V
Thomson's Gazelle
V
V
V
Walrus
V
V
White Rhino
V
Southern
Wild Water Buffalo
V
Wolverine
V

So Overall, PZ completely surpassed both ZT Games:

Zoo Tycoon Zoo Tycoon 2 Planet Zoo
Num of Terrestrial animals 61 81 130

Now, here's a list of species found in Zoo Tycoon/Zoo Tycoon 2 That are not yet in Planet Zoo.

Species
American Black Bear
Bighorn Sheep
Blackbuck
Elephant Seal
Japanese Serow
Olive Baboon

Species
African Spurred Tortoise
Barbary Ape
Crested Gibbon
Ethiopian Wolf
Gelada
Gerenuk
Giraffe (Masai)
Honey Badger
Iberian Lynx
Leatherback Sea Turtle
Musk Ox
Nile Crocodile
Rockhopper Penguin
Secretary Bird
Spectacled Bear
Wolverine

Species
Emperor Penguin
Green Sea Turtle
Javan Rhino
Markhor
Sea Otter
Walrus

Do you think they are necessary? We are extremely close to "completing the PZ roster"

Edit: Changed lists format

Many of them are definitely necessary for me. Japanese Serow not that much but it would definitely be useful for the Entrance Area of my japanese Zoo, where I keep all of the native Species.
Would be fine though if they exclude the Animals that aren't kept in any Zoos (and especially if we someday get a Marine Pack, if they would exclude the ones that can't even be kept in Zoos at all)

Firestar97 · Sep 21, 2023

Just noticed that the Mountain Gorilla is missing from the Zoo Tycoon 2 List

DragonNTiger · Sep 21, 2023

Urufu1997 said:
Just noticed that the Mountain Gorilla is missing from the Zoo Tycoon 2 List

And the Mexican Wolf is still missing from the Zoo Tycoon 1 list.

NachoB · Sep 21, 2023

DragonNTiger said:
And the Mexican Wolf is still missing from the Zoo Tycoon 1 list.

I kind of lowkey want a mexican wolf. They are so different looking from other wolves plus have conservation value.

yoav_r · Sep 21, 2023

DragonNTiger said:
And the Mexican Wolf is still missing from the Zoo Tycoon 1 list.

It's covered in the PZ generic gray wolf.

Doran · Sep 21, 2023

Sure, and this super versitale generic wolf also covers middle east wolves and such.

leehonglocal · Sep 21, 2023

DragonNTiger said:
And the Mexican Wolf is still missing from the Zoo Tycoon 1 list.

And were/did these subspecies counted as missing from Zoo Tycoon 1 list too? African leopard (spotted) and Asian rainforest leopard subspecies (as black). I could tell by their location and biome in that game.

DarthQuell · Sep 21, 2023

yoav_r said:
It's covered in the PZ generic gray wolf.

Yeah, but so is the Arctic wolf and, depending on how y'all view it, the dingo. The Mexican wolf looks different than the standard gray wolf

DragonNTiger · Sep 21, 2023

leehonglocal said:
And were/did these subspecies counted as missing from Zoo Tycoon 1 list too? African leopard (spotted) and Asian rainforest leopard subspecies (as black). I could tell by their location and biome in that game.

And going by their scientific names as listed in the game, they're generic leopards.

DarthQuell said:
Yeah, but so is the Arctic wolf and, depending on how y'all view it, the dingo. The Mexican wolf looks different than the standard gray wolf

A lot of wolf subspecies (and a lot of subspecies in general) look different from what we have in game... it's one of the big problems with trying to use a generic model to cover an entire species.

leehonglocal · Sep 21, 2023

DragonNTiger said:
And going by their scientific names as listed in the game, they're generic leopards.

And Planet Zoo's current leopard subspecies, the Amur one, couldn't adapt in grassland and tropical.

yoav_r · Sep 21, 2023

Come on guys, nobody likes the generic grey wolf implementation in PZ, but officially the gray wolf and all it's subspecies is covered in the game.

DarthQuell · Sep 21, 2023

DragonNTiger said:
A lot of wolf subspecies (and a lot of subspecies in general) look different from what we have in game... it's one of the big problems with trying to use a generic model to cover an entire species.

I agree. But the most obvious one is the gray wolf, unfortunately, and I still think it should be renamed. It's a simple rename, that's all, and I'm surprised it hasn't been done

yoav_r said:
Come on guys, nobody likes the generic grey wolf implementation in PZ, but officially the gray wolf and all it's subspecies is covered in the game.

Unfortunately, you're right

NZFanatic · Sep 26, 2023

yoav_r said:
Come on guys, nobody likes the generic grey wolf implementation in PZ, but officially the gray wolf and all it's subspecies is covered in the game.

Technically untrue. It's an incredibly messy animal.

It is generic, but it does not cover every subspecies. It only covers boreal subspecies according to its in-game distribution map. I would check the exact areas but mine's modded to be more specific now.

Edit: And then, to make matters even uglier, the Zoopedia description goes on to describe 38 subspecies.

yoav_r · Sep 26, 2023

NZFanatic said:
It is generic, but it does not cover every subspecies. It only covers boreal subspecies according to its in-game distribution map. I would check the exact areas but mine's modded to be more specific now.

The map covers the entire range, down to india, arabia and mexico. The biomes don't

Animal	Zoo Tycoon	Zoo Tycoon 2	Planet Zoo
Aardvark		V	V
Addax		V	V
Afican Lion	V	V	V
African Buffalo	V	V	V
African crested porcupine			V
African Penguin			V
African Savannah Elephant	V	V	V
African Spurred Tortoise		V
African wild ass			V
African Wild Dog	V	V	V
Aldabra Giant Tortoise			V
Alpine Ibex	V	V	V
American Alligator			V
American Bison	V	V	V
American black bear	V
Arctic Fox			V
Arctic Wolf	V		V
Asian Black Bear	V	V	Formosan
Asian Elephant	V	V	V
Asian Rhino	Javan	Javan	Indian
Asian Small-Clawed Otter			V
Asian water monitor			V
Bactrian Camel			V
Baird's Tapir		V	V
Barbary Ape		V
Bengal Tiger	V	V	V
Binturong			V
Black-and-white Ruffed Lemur			V
Blackbuck	V
Black Rhino	V	V	V
Black-Tailed Prairie Dog			V
Black wildebeest			V
Blue wildebeest	V	V	V
Bongo	V	V	V
Bonobo			V
Bornean Orangutan	V	V	V
California Sea Lion	V	V	V
Capybara			V
Caracal		V	V
Cheetah	V	V	V
Chimpanzee	V	V	Western
Chinese Pangolin			V
Clouded Leopard	V		V
Colombian white-faced Capuchin			V
Common Ostrich	V	V	V
Common Warthog	V	V	V
Common Wombat			V
Cougar	V	V	V
Cuvier's Dwarf Caiman			V
Dama gazelle			V
Dhole			V
Dingo			V
Dromedary Camel	V	V	V
Emu			V
Elephant Seal	V
Emperor/King Penguin	Emperor Penguin	Emperor Penguin	King Penguin
Ethiopian Wolf		V
European Badger			V
European Fallow Deer			V
Fennec Fox		V	V
Fossa			V
Galapagos Giant Tortoise		V	V
Gelada		V
Gemsbok	V	V	V
Gerenuk		V
Gharial			V
Giant Anteater	V		V
Giant Otter			V
Giant Panda	V	V	V
Gibbon		Crested	Lar
Giraffe	V	Reticulated + Masai	Reticulated
Gorilla	Western Lowland	Mountain	Western Lowland
Gray Wolf	V	V	V
Greater Flamingo	V	V	V
Green Sea Turtle	V	V
Grey Seal			V
Grizzly Bear	V	V	V
Himalayan Brown Bear			V
Hippopotamus	V	V	V
Honey Badger		V
Indian Peafowl		V	V
Japanese Serow	V
Jaguar	V	V	V
Japanese Macaque			V
Koala		V	V
Komodo Dragon	V	V	V
Leatherback Sea Turtle		V
Leopard	V	V	Amur
Little blue penguin			V
Llama	V		V
Lynx		Spanish Lynx	Eurasian Lynx
Malayan Tapir	V		V
Mandrill	V	V	V
Maned Wolf			V
Markhor	V	V
Meerkat		V	V
Moose	V	V	V
Musk Ox		V
Nile Crocodile		V
Nile Lechwe			V
Nile Monitor		V	V
Nine-banded Armadillo			V
North American Beaver		V	V
North American Sheep	Bighorn Sheep		Dall Sheep
North island brown kiwi			V
North Sulawesi Babirusa			V
Nyala			V
Okapi	V	V	V
Olive Baboon	V
Plains Zebra	V	V	V
Platypus			V
Polar Bear	V	V	V
Proboscis Monkey			V
Pronghorn			V
Przewalski's Horse	V	V	V
Pygmy Hippo		V	V
Raccoon			V
Red deer			V
Red Fox			V
Red Kangaroo	V	V	V
Red-necked Wallaby			V
Red Panda		V	V
Red Ruffed Lemur			V
Red-crowned Crane			V
Red river hog			V
Reindeer	V	V	V
Ring-tailed Lemur		V	V
Rockhopper Penguin		V
Quokka			V
Sable Antelope	V	V	V
Sand cat			V
Saltwater Crocodile	V		V
Scimitar-Horned Oryx		V	V
Sea Otter	V	V
Secretary Bird		V
Siamang			V
Siberian Tiger	V		V
Snow Leopard	V	V	V
Southern Cassowary			V
Spectacled Bear		V
Spectacled Caiman			V
Spotted Hyena	V		V
Springbok			V
Striped Hyena		V	V
Striped skunk			V
Sun Bear			V
Tasmanian devil			V
Thomson's Gazelle	V	V	V
Walrus	V	V
White Rhino		V	Southern
Wild Water Buffalo			V
Wolverine		V

	Zoo Tycoon	Zoo Tycoon 2	Planet Zoo
Num of Terrestrial animals	61	81	130