Hardware & Technical Computer Build to run Elite Dangerous

Any idea if il be able to play on medium settings with 60fps @ 1080p ?

i7 950 not OC
asus 770
10gbddr3

Well, no one knows for sure until at least beta v1 is out. But I'd be tremendously surprised if it didn't run quite well on a 770@1080p.

The required specs are reasonable and a gtx285 is able to play fairly well (at a low res) on a alpha build (lacks optimizations)
 
Any idea if il be able to play on medium settings with 60fps @ 1080p ?

not sure that there will be options to reduce the settings until full retail release... could be wrong, options might be bought in for beta testing.:rolleyes:
 
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I have Good News for Me from Harvey Norman :)

Commander Mick said:
Commander Mick said:
I have been asking a Ebay Computer salesman about the differences between dual-quad core processors and 8 single core processors.

Which is better and why?

Their answer was.....

pcs4u_au said:
Hi 8 single core processors is easy for home customer

two Quad-Core Processors is for business and need top range M/B to support 2 CPUs, 2 processors is fast the 8 single core. but it's expensive and complicated for setting it up.


I don't think english is their first language.


Today, I went into a small time computer store that I had brought my last PC from back in 2005. Ace Computer World Ipswich. Well today, I came back and it looks like they have expanded. Their once small shop now has a larger show room. As I walked inside I was greeted with the site of triple monitor set-up. It was quite pricey though when I inspected the price-tag. I also noticed a large ominous looking tower sitting on the shelf/table next to it.

That's when I was approached by the salesman. Some young lad and I immediately told him I wanted a gaming computer and also asked him about the Dual-Quad Core Processors and eight single core processors debate. I think he said the latter was better, because all eight of them are real processors and the Dual-Quad set-up only had virtual quad core processer in addition to the real one. Well, something like that.

I decided then and there I think I like the former.

He told me the large tower sitting on the table/shelf has eight single core processers and with a monitor, keyboard and mouse it will cost me nearly $2000.00 AUD and providing I am currently working, (Which I am not!) they would let me have it on credit. Such a shame that I'm only on welfare.

Anyway, they gave me sheet of paper with all it's spec on it.....

3 X 24" LCD Widescreen Monitors (I just noticed that, did I read correctly that this is triple monitor set-up and it's included in this bundle? I thought the cost for them alone is about over $1500.00 AUD)
Thermaltake Chaser Gamer Case(It looks quite awesome to me!)
AMD FX 8320 8 Core Black Edition 3.5GH
16Gb DDR3 RAM
120Gb SSD
2 TB HDD
2Gb ATI 7850 Graphic (I'm not sure if this is intergrated or what but how does this compare to NIVIDIA)
Blu-ray combo, Gigabit Network
Wireless Mulitimedia Keyboard (I'm wondering if I could bargain for one of those with led-light up/glow in the dark keys?)
Wireless Laser Mouse ( Both this and the Keyboard have a line running through them????)
5 piece 5.1 Speaker Set
Windows 7 PRO 64 BIT

Not sure if this has the hardware for accessing web in built or this has to added on or is that standard feature on all computers? I will ask when I visit again tomorrow.

So, are those specifications Elite - Dangerous worthy?

If they are...... I might be having this in two months when I'll have the money to buy this. Just in time for the game Beta testing.


Today, l returned to the local Harvey Norman I visited a week earlier with the intention of them offering me a better computer and another payment option where I didn't have to all or any of money up front. First, I waited for the sales assistant to approach asking how could he help me. I told him I am interested purchasing a new Desk-Top and then he went to back to his desk to discuss this with a more senior staff member. He came back a few minutes later asked me what I wanted exactly and that's when I asked him about Quad, Dual-Quad and eight Single Core Processors. I then showed him the specifications for the computer I was thinking of buying from the store across town. The place visited yesterday and remembering someone's reply on this forum last night.

I asked if a Quad - Core Intel Processor can out perform eight Single-Core Processers on a AMD and immediately went to have a look at the Pyron with a i7 Intel Processor. On a shelf with another bunch of computers I didn't notice a week earlier. These more like the computers I'm interested in. These are what I needed to play this game the way it's meant to be played. He said Intel is indeed better than AMD and went to compare the i3, i5, i7 with 2, 4, and 6 cylinder car engines and I just pointed to the Pyron with the i7 Intel Processor and said I wanted that one and then looking at the price tag for it. $2099.99. I asked if that price includes a good monitor, keyboard and mouse. He said no. DAMN, I thought as he showed me these other nessesary components. After I picked out what favoured without putting too much more of dent in my bank balance. A good sized monitor, with a keyboard that has keys that light up in the dark and a matching mouse. He also included anti-virus software and a three year warranty which brought the price pretty close to the grand total of $3000.00 AUD.

Now here's the important part. FINANCE OPTIONS. He told me that if couldn't pay all of that up front and needed the machine right now. Then I could use FLEXI-RENT. Which something along the lines of paying $25.00 AUD Deposit up front and the rest later without any interest incurred. The only condition is that I have secure employment and I said I didn't, but I do get a very decent and secure welfare allowance. Which still seemed interesting to the salesman. He told me to wait a moment while he made a telephone enquiry.

Well, the news was big negative on that option, as I contemplated waiting another two-three months to have any access to this game in it's various stages of release. Suddenly, a more senior staff member called the salesperson over and whispered in his ear and he came back to me few moments later with yet anther option for me have t have this gaming machine now and pay each fortnight or month for the next six or twelve months with a interest rate of about $5.00 AUD each fortnight or month. I fail to recall which one it is right now and I will get definite on that when I visit them again tomorrow. Anyway, this new option is called GE MONEY and it's more like been given another credit card with a $4000.00 AUD limit on it. That's more then I needed.

With me providing two separate forms of identification and a bank statement with proof of my welfare wages as they check my allegibility online. Then, I was given $4000.00 AUD in a matter of seconds. I think I have the gaming machine I need within the next week or even as early as tomorrow and just in time for ALPHA testing. They told me I still have to wait over night and visit them again tomorrow to find out if I do indeed have my gaming machine. I think I might ask for home delivery rather than try to carry it home again myself. Though, nothing is set in stone and I don't need to settle for computer I chose in the store. Once again, I would like some feedback from the experts here and here are the new specifications.....

PRYON
7333w - SSD
INTEL Core i7 - 4770 3.4ghz
(I hope that means QUAD CORE. I really wanted eight SINGLE PROCESSORS, but it's INTEL at least and that should count for something.)
16gb RAM
2 tb HDD + 120gb SSD
4gb Nividia GT 630
(I might ask if I can have this upgraded to a 660 or 670 ti)
Blu - Ray, Wifi + Windows 8 (This might be the only think I may disagree with. I do hope this OP agrees with this game in the very least)

I have picked decent sized LIFES GOOD Monitor, a RAZOR - BLACKWIDOW Keyboard and a RAZOR - NAGA - HEX Mouse.

Please, tell me this a worthy contender, but don't if it's not.
 
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PRYON
7333w - SSD
INTEL Core i7 - 4770 3.4ghz
(I hope that means QUAD CORE. I really wanted eight SINGLE PROCESSORS, but it's INTEL at least and that should count for something.)
16gb RAM
2 tb HDD + 120gb SSD
4gb Nividia GT 630
(I might ask if I can have this upgraded to a 660 or 670 ti)
Blu - Ray, Wifi + Windows 8 (This might be the only think I may disagree with. I do hope this OP agrees with this game in the very least)

I have picked decent sized LIFES GOOD Monitor, a RAZOR - BLACKWIDOW Keyboard and a RAZOR - NAGA - HEX Mouse.

Please, tell me this a worthy contender, but don't if it's not.
Let's hope it is - as your specs are very close to what I ordered - and am about to start building...


Intel Core i7 4770K 3.5GHz
NZXT Kraken X40 140mm AIO Liquid CPU Cooler
ASRock Z87 Killer Motherboard
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 780 Ti 3GB
G.Skill Sniper F3-1866C10D-16GSR (2x8GB) 16GB DDR3
Intel 530 Series 120GB SSD
Seagate Barracuda 2TB ST2000DM001
NZXT H630 Case Matte Black
Seasonic G-650 80Plus Gold 650W
Microsoft Windows 8.1 64bit
2 x BenQ RL2455HM 24in LED Gaming Monitor
2 x Antec Halo 6 LED Bias Lighting Kit
Thrustmaster T.16000M Joystick for PC

Pic here :
 

Sir.Tj

The Moderator who shall not be Blamed....
Volunteer Moderator
Before you make the final decision on this Mick, Might I suggest having a word with someone you trust to look over the deal for you and just make sure you're not missing anything and are fully aware of all the details.
 
INTEL Core i7 - 4770 3.4ghz[/b] (I hope that means QUAD CORE. I really wanted eight SINGLE PROCESSORS, but it's INTEL at least and that should count for something.)
Yes, it is a quad-core. If you're getting this PC 'just' for gaming, you should consider replacing the i7 4770 with i5 4670 (fits in the same motherboard), which is also a quad-core, and spend the price difference on better Graphics card (and PSU, if needed).
4gb Nividia GT 630[/b] (I might ask if I can have this upgraded to a 660 or 670 ti)
Definitely upgrade that graphics card!
And double-check that the PSU is not some low-wattage generic unit, you don't want any unexpected surges or fluctuating voltage to damage those expensive components you have picked.
 

Name quite similar to Pyros, extra points!!! :p

INTEL Core i7 - 4770 3.4ghz
(I hope that means QUAD CORE. I really wanted eight SINGLE PROCESSORS, but it's INTEL at least and that should count for something.)
It is a fast quad core, no problems here. Without counting with extra expensive versions and OC able ones, it is the best CPU around.

16gb RAM
2 tb HDD + 120gb SSD
Good amount of RAM, it would be interesting to know the SSD brand...

4gb Nividia GT 630 (I might ask if I can have this upgraded to a 660 or 670 ti)
POS graphic card, stay well clear of this. 660 and 670 were EOLd by nVidia. Graphics to get (at sub 400 USD): AMD - 270 & 280X; nVidia: GTX760 & 770. Currently AMD cards have a better bang for the buck ratio, with the 280x being a byte better than the more expensive 770.

Blu - Ray, Wifi + Windows 8 (This might be the only think I may disagree with. I do hope this OP agrees with this game in the very least)
I do not find BR - actually optical disks - currently very useful for a PC. But it is a bit a matter of personal opinion.

Please, tell me this a worthy contender, but don't if it's not.

Main point is to switch the graphic card - not necessarily only due to ED. Cannot comment much on prices...
 
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Before you make the final decision on this Mick, Might I suggest having a word with someone you trust to look over the deal for you and just make sure you're not missing anything and are fully aware of all the details.

Very wise words there TJ. ;) Always double check everything and if something seems off, walk away. I also think you would be much cheaper just building your own system or perhaps even upgrading an older one. That way you can pick and chose to suit your own budget.
 
Very wise words there TJ. ;) Always double check everything and if something seems off, walk away. I also think you would be much cheaper just building your own system or perhaps even upgrading an older one. That way you can pick and chose to suit your own budget.

Also very wise words. Building or upgrading a system really is not as hard or as scary as you, or anyone, might think.

Just think of it as a jigsaw except you don't put the picture in the box at the end, you get to play in the picture.
 
@Commander Mick.

I know your on a budget no idea about Aus prices but I know your on a budget.

Ok the whole I7 vs AMD FX 8 core, Intel are better for gaming especially in older or badly coded games that support 4 cores or less which is most of them, but in new games that do support more than 4cores/threads there is hardly anything in it.

But your on a tight budget so the AMD FX 8350 might be better for you in the uk there over £100 cheaper than the I7 there still really good a bit power hungry though but tend to overclock right well with a good cooler and motherboard.

Same goes for the motherboards as well the AMD AM3+ boards are a lot cheaper than the equivalent Intel boards but if you want to overclock you will need a good board still but even then there still a lot cheaper than the high end Intel boards.

You could save some money be reusing your old HDD and DVD drive and you could go for a cheaper case but DONT SKIMP ON THE PSU you might end up regretting it :)

Don't worry about an SSD either yes there nice to have makes your PC boot faster things install faster and your games will load faster but once your games are loaded that's it doesn't give you any advantage after that it wont improve your FPS, if it is a choice between spending the extra on a SSD or a better CPU or GPU then go for the better CPU or GPU.

CPU
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-336-AM&groupid=701&catid=1967&subcat=1825

Mobo
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MB-576-AS&groupid=701&catid=1903&subcat=2046

Ram 8 gig is more than enough
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-147-KS&groupid=701&catid=8&subcat=1517

graphics card
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX-328-SP&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=1982

PSU
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-148-AN&groupid=701&catid=123&subcat=1088

Case
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-167-AN&groupid=2362&catid=160

HDD
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HD-392-WD&groupid=701&catid=14&subcat=940

OS
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=SW-165-MS&groupid=33&catid=1555

Total £810.92 = AUS 1452.92

Not got time to do an Intel build, but if you went for an I5 it would be roughly the same price an i7 would be around £120-140= AUS 230-270 more than that
 
That's a nice system Mick, but as others have said the graphics card lets it down.

Not sure if your budget can stretch to it but that system deserves at least a GTX760 (or its AMD equivalent).
 
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Ok, a little 2c for people that wish to buy a new system for ED and are looking for "bang for the buck" (this is not a "money is no object" kind of HW list).

General things to get:
  • 16GB DDR3 RAM (2x8GB chips, 1600+ "frequency", if the price difference is small - 10 usd - go for 1866+). Reasoning: RAM is relatively cheap and goes a long way to make a good system "snappy" - prioritize amount over RAM speed.
  • SSD (120GB minimum, Samsung Evo have great value, performance and reputation balance).
  • CPU: intel i5 or AMD 8 core. The i5 will be faster in most games, significantly on some (Civ 5), but the difference will generally be pretty small. And if ED is strongly threaded, then the AMD may even come ahead. For gaming, the difference between i5 and i7 is negligible. Specifically, ED does not use hyperthreading.
  • Motherboard: depends on CPU - for an i5 get a cheapish z87 (MSI g45 gamming, Asus Z87-A, ASRock Z87 Fatal1ty). Any current motherboard already has NIC (network card). You do not need a top of the line mobo to get a good system (performance differences are negligible) - not even for normal OC.
  • GPU: this is the most important element in your computer in terms of gaming. It is also fairly expensive. Lower tier: AMD R9 270 / nvidia GTX 760. Higher tier: AMD R9 280x / nvidia GTX 770. AMD has better "bang for the buck". Even "lower tier" should give you great 1080p playing ability.

Other things to consider:
  • PSU (600W+ quality one - do not skimp on this) - Corsair, EVGA, ... all make good PSUs
  • Monitor: depends on your goals and tastes - for general gaming a quality 23" 1080p will suffice. Go for IPS if you like good image quality. Brands: Benq/Asus for gaming; high quality IPS: HP and Dell; Samsung/LG as good alrounders
  • HDD: I recently bought a Seagate 3TB - happy with it. Size depends on storage requirements.


Personal taste/requirements & extras:
  • Computer case
  • Mouse and keyboard: depends on tastes. Logitech has good gear, Razer has gaming things (usually more expensive)
  • Soundcard & headphones (motherboards have embedded sound, but specialized cards beat the crap out them in terms of quality). Headphone price (and quality) varies significantly.
  • Cooling elements
  • Joystick/gamepad - Saitek X52 Pro sounds nice, but sure is expensive. For Elite (space games in general) I prefer joysticks, but YMMV. There are nice not so expensive ones, from Thrustmaster, Logitech and Saitek.

The secret of a good gaming PC is balance. And not waste money on over the top stuff unaligned with the rest of the machine (e.g. ultra low latency RAM that gives you extra 2% at three times the cost of ordinary RAM).
 
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Techmages

Ok I just want to say something here. I would like to thank all of you in this thread for helping out your fellow forum members with hardware advice. :cool: Buying a new PC or even building one can be a daunting prospect for many. This thread goes a long way to assist people in that regard and as such I think it's more than earned the right to become a sticky. Well done all! :)
 

Minti2

Deadly, But very fluffy...
Mike, Micheal or any other Devs who may happen to come across this heart felt plea of a massage(am happy to offer bribes to! and make a mean chocolate cake!)

Could you tell us if the Alpha is soon!

ie Am ordering my new rig Saturday, and i can either wait one and half weeks before receiving it(which is fine) or pay extra and get it in 2-3 working days(which is fine again if i know Alpha is next week or so?)

dont have to give a date, just a nod to which course you think i should take?

I highly doubt you will answer, but hey if you dont ask :)

Edit..sorry mods not sure if this was the right place for a plea but its about rigs! can i offer you cake to? ;)
 
I'd also chime in that it's often not a good idea to buy a prebuilt machine from a shop. As you can see in Mick's posts they're asking a lot of money for a machine that if you bought the individual components yourself would cost a lot less.

They also pretty much always skimp on the GPU, which is a big no no if you want a gaming PC.

If you have to have someone else build a machine for you rather than building it yourself then the best bet are websites that allow you to pick specific components and will build it for you. That way you can see the price of the the components (and compare them to other websites) and the build price in the total cost.

Overclockers website in the UK is a good example of this (although I've found they're a little more expensive than my preferred website to buy from which is ARIA (whom I also think will build the PC for you if you ask))

Obviously these sites won't be much good to you Mick as they're UK based but I'd recommend hitting Google and seeing what you can find similar locally to you. Spending more time now investigating and waying up your options will save you cash and mean you get a decent PC that will last you years rather than one that is out of date now.

P.S. Anyone on a budget should be looking at AMD CPUs and GPUs, generally they are a lot cheaper than Intel CPUs and NVIDIA GPUs for similar performance and I've found that motherboards for AM3+ chips are generally cheaper than Intel based ones.

Stick with 8GB of RAM for now, you don't need 16GB and RAM prices can fluctuate a lot, what might be £40 today could be £20 in a few months.
 
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Pimp my PC cheaply!

I have a cheaply put together PC, all the parts apart from the PSU and motherboard were second hand. Just wanted suggestions as to what people would recommend as a £250 upgrade. I know the GPUs don't have enough VRAM.

i5 2300
Asus P877-V-LK
8 GB DDR3 1333
750w Corsair PSU
GTX 460 768MB in SLI

Samsung Synchmaster 22" 1680x1050

Windows Vista 64 (I know, but it was free!)
 
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