Hardware & Technical Computer Build to run Elite Dangerous

@Erimus: I presume you must have a micro mobo - that one in your spec only has two dimms (16GB RAM max).
 
Hmm... with only two dimms, both loaded, you'd need to replace the RAM to double it, instead of simply adding more. Do they not offer the ASUS® Z87M-PLUS? It's a micro mobo too, but has four dimms (32GB max).
 
SO maybe not Intel and definitely a go for a better PSU.....

@Commander Mick.

I know your on a budget no idea about Aus prices but I know your on a budget.

I do have up to $4000.00 AUD tp spend but only in that Harvey Norman branch in Ipswich.

Ok the whole I7 vs AMD FX 8 core, Intel are better for gaming especially in older or badly coded games that support 4 cores or less which is most of them, but in new games that do support more than 4cores/threads there is hardly anything in it.

So what is better :S:S:S Intel or AMD?

We have always stuck with Intel in the past.

The salesmen told me that AMD would be a better gaming machine while Intel is better for Business and gaming. He said there wouldn't be much difference if I go for a Intel.

But your on a tight budget so the AMD FX 8350 might be better for you in the uk there over £100 cheaper than the I7 there still really good a bit power hungry though but tend to overclock right well with a good cooler and motherboard.

Well, I do have $4000.00 AUD to spend in that store only at least and I don't believe that's anything to sneeze at. As I recall paying about $3000.00 AUD for my first real computer back in the late 90's. It was a Hewlett Packard - Pavilion back when Pentiums were all the rage. I do regret buying this just before most VGA had been replaced by SVGA as a standard feature and regretting it. I regretting spending so much money on ac computer when it's model was obsolete within a year. Preety soon I didn't have much of computer.

Same goes for the motherboards as well the AMD AM3+ boards are a lot cheaper than the equivalent Intel boards but if you want to overclock you will need a good board still but even then there still a lot cheaper than the high end Intel boards.

You can trust me, I will never overclock ever again. Besides, Do you think the computer I have just shown you the specs for needs overclocking for this game :S

You could save some money be reusing your old HDD and DVD drive and you could go for a cheaper case but DONT SKIMP ON THE PSU you might end up regretting it :)

The idea of using spare parts from older computers is really daunting for me as I have never built one from scratch before.

Don't worry about an SSD either yes there nice to have makes your PC boot faster things install faster and your games will load faster but once your games are loaded that's it doesn't give you any advantage after that it wont improve your FPS, if it is a choice between spending the extra on a SSD or a better CPU or GPU then go for the better CPU or GPU.

I remember the salesperson telling me yesterday that with SSD, your data is much safer and will never be lost. As for GPU:S:S:S

Do you think I should go foe something better than Quad Core processing?

Like, I originally intended.

They did tell me everything on the computer is just about full upgradable. So, maybe if I can't afford a superior GPU now, then maybe some time down the track.


Pity about that and a shame you couldn't really come into the store with me. You sound like you know your stuff.
 
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Hmm... with only two dimms, both loaded, you'd need to replace the RAM to double it, instead of simply adding more. Do they not offer the ASUS® Z87M-PLUS? It's a micro mobo too, but has four dimms (32GB max).

Unfortunately they don't offer that board it seems

I was toying with the idea just to max it out with 16gb from the off, but its an extra £55. Not sure its worth it currently as 8gb seems to be more than enough for current gaming.

When the time comes I could swap out a 4gb stick for an 8gb one, giving me 12gb in total, and sell the spare 4gb on ebay.
 
I just knew it about the Graphics Card :rolleyes:

That's a nice system Mick, but as others have said the graphics card lets it down.

Not sure if your budget can stretch to it but that system deserves at least a GTX760 (or its AMD equivalent).

I will definitely ask for this.
 

Minti2

Deadly, But very fluffy...
That's pretty close to what I'm going for, and from Dino PC too :D Except I've gone for one of their custom mini pc builds.

Intel Core i5 4670
Windows 8.1 (64-bit)
Gigabyte H87N-Wifi
8GB Corsair 1600mhz Vengeance (2x4GB)
Toshiba 128GB SSD
AMD Radeon R9 280X 3GB
Iiyama 24" E2483HS-B1 LED (HDMI, DVI, VGA)
Fractal Design Node 304
650W Corsair VS

Nice mate, i rang them up Thursday to see if it was worth upgrading a few things ie Ram as i intend to have photoshop, they said 8GB enough if i dont intend on using video so much which i dont.
i checked the PSU was powerful enough(is) and the difference in upping to the 4670 like yours is minimal, so left it.
all in all happy with it, just need to decide whether to go fast track build or not, think i will ;)

I've got the 2GB version of the 770, and have been very happy with it.

Good to hear, i read up on the card and it gets good reviews where ever i read, and should be enough for me for a few years hopefully(ED is the main thing!) :)

Dino- delivery times still one and a half weeks or fast track two-three days extra, they seemed friendly and didnt push any extra upgrades when i wasn't sure, they asked what i intend to do and said pretty much the rigs fine as is for me.
 
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Nice mate, i rang them up Thursday to see if it was worth upgrading a few things ie Ram as i intend to have photoshop, they said 8GB enough if i dont intend on using video so much which i dont.
i checked the PSU was powerful enough(is) and the difference in upping to the 4670 like yours is minimal, so left it.
all in all happy with it, just need to decide whether to go fast track build or not, think i will ;)

I'm really tempted to order mine on Monday, but I'm not in alpha (its a stretch too far for me) so I don't really need it until January's beta. I'm trying to hold off in-case there's a post Christmas sale!

The temptation is getting to me :D
 
That's a nice system Mick, but as others have said the graphics card lets it down.

Not sure if your budget can stretch to it but that system deserves at least a GTX760 (or its AMD equivalent).

I will definitely ask for this.
Don't forget the power supply (PSU), with such parts as you have listed (especially when you switch to a good graphics card) you'd want a good quality 650 Watts or higher rated, 80+ certified unit.
Seasonic, Corsair, BeQuiet, PC Power & Cooling, Antec, OCZ, Cooler Master - all of them known good brands.
 

Minti2

Deadly, But very fluffy...
I'm really tempted to order mine on Monday, but I'm not in alpha (its a stretch too far for me) so I don't really need it until January's beta. I'm trying to hold off in-case there's a post Christmas sale!

The temptation is getting to me :D

Definite hold off, as your thinking you will probably pick up something better in January, in some ways ive left it to the last moment for Alpha(i think the 6th on-wards) but hopefully ive got the best rig for the money am spending and should just get it in time.

and beta may not be on time depending how Alpha goes, but be good to see you when you get there :)
 
I would love to build my own but lack the knowledge & XP.....

I'd also chime in that it's often not a good idea to buy a prebuilt machine from a shop. As you can see in Mick's posts they're asking a lot of money for a machine that if you bought the individual components yourself would cost a lot less.

I wonder if I could just buy the parts from Harvey Norman and have them build it for me. Might cost me more, but if it is as you all have been saying better in the long run.

They also pretty much always skimp on the GPU, which is a big no no if you want a gaming PC.

Is that the Graphics Card? Yeah, I will definitely have to have that one sorted out.

If you have to have someone else build a machine for you rather than building it yourself then the best bet are websites that allow you to pick specific components and will build it for you. That way you can see the price of the the components (and compare them to other websites) and the build price in the total cost.

I had tried to do something like this with a very cheap Alien-Ware desktop computer on their official site. It started at some descent price like $699.99 AUD by the end of it all it amounted to some like $9999.99 AUD

Overclockers website in the UK is a good example of this (although I've found they're a little more expensive than my preferred website to buy from which is ARIA (whom I also think will build the PC for you if you ask))

Obviously these sites won't be much good to you Mick as they're UK based but I'd recommend hitting Google and seeing what you can find similar locally to you. Spending more time now investigating and waying up your options will save you cash and mean you get a decent PC that will last you years rather than one that is out of date now.

The thing is that Harvey Norman are letting me have $4000.00 AUD on credit in their store and I am getting very impatient. Though, I will ask them about getting a better Nividia Graphics Card, a better Power Source Unit and what brand of SSD are using in the machine I had picked out.

P.S. Anyone on a budget should be looking at AMD CPUs and GPUs, generally they are a lot cheaper than Intel CPUs and NVIDIA GPUs for similar performance and I've found that motherboards for AM3+ chips are generally cheaper than Intel based ones.

Stick with 8GB of RAM for now, you don't need 16GB and RAM prices can fluctuate a lot, what might be £40 today could be £20 in a few months.

I think I will stick with Intel and Nividia and the whole 16Gb of RAM given the budget they have supplied me with.
 
Yes, You found me out, I am PC Innards Noob :rolleyes:

Dude, don't you have someone local to help you with this? I don't mean to be rude but you're obviously a bit of a PC innards newbie and I wouldn't like to see you getting ripped off by salesmen whispering to each other!

About salesmen whispering to each other. No they weren't really, they were actually talking to each other outside my range of hearing at the counter while I was standing in the computer section. I didn't really think they were plotting against me.

The PSU is the Power Supply Unit. This is somewhere that some shops scrimp on - they'll provide ones with the right "numbers" but they'll often be cheap and nasty and prone to failure and not really up to the level of the other components. Plenty of good brands - Corsair, Seasonic, Bequiet, etc - but they're usually a bit more expensive than the no-names.

Right, I will list all the Power Supply Units listed here and take them in with me this morning.
 
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I copied down your list.....

Don't forget the power supply (PSU), with such parts as you have listed (especially when you switch to a good graphics card) you'd want a good quality 650 Watts or higher rated, 80+ certified unit.
Seasonic, Corsair, BeQuiet, PC Power & Cooling, Antec, OCZ, Cooler Master - all of them known good brands.

I copied the list of PSU's you made and will take them in with me this morning when I pay them a visit.
 
And another thing.......

I forgot to ask are bigger tower boxes with better ventilation better, safer with the more higher power, higher wattage components that produce more heat?

As I noticed that the machine I was looking at yesterday looked quite small.
 
I've just got back off the phone with Harvey Noramn and Ge Money

GE MONEY have just called me to say they couldn't finalise my loan until I give them a more up to date bank statement. Of less then sixty days ago.

So, getting the money in time may still be a problem.

Harvey Norman have also got rung me to ask wether I could give them statement of how much I have been paid within the last one and a half months and told them this isn't possible because they don't send me anything. It's all on my bank statement.

While they were on the phone. I asked them if I could upgrade the Graphics Card to a Nvidia - GTX 770 and he said he would check what he could do about that and ring me back.

Minutes later they rung me back to say they could replace the graphics card with this model, but it would be very expensive. Almost about $700.00 AUD. They asked if I didn't want a Radeon Graphic card with a similar amount of power because they are cheaper and I replied that I wan the Nvidia.

I also asked about what kind of PSU is supplied with the PYRON and he looked it up and told me some number/code that wasn't any of the above listed models and that it's power outage is only 400 Watts. I then asked if they could give me PSU that has power outage of 650 watts and he told me he would see what he could find. I gave him the list of recommended brand names listed above and he said that they had a Cooler-Master with the require amount power outage. It would only coast me about $140.00 AUD. Which seemed fair to me. They would have to ship one up from Melbourne. So I may have to wait another week or two.

I also asked about what brand of SSD the PYRON has and they said they would find that out later.

With the graphics card though, they said they may have to find another computer as the one I had picked is the only gaming computer with the specifications I wanted and if they found another computer. I would have to pay for the SSD on top of that as the one I had chosen yesterday is the only one supplied with a SSD.

I will see them some time the this afternoon, very soon and with a more up to date bank statement hopefully.

This morning has already gone so fast on me.
 
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