Confession of a shameless Mode Switcher...

[Katnisseve]

IF FD consider it "OK" WHY did they takes steps to stop people stacking missions in the first place?? For jollies? Anyone using mode-switching is cheating, period.

Wrong again
Fdev limited the number of missions as a time gate, but has no issue with a player maximizing the number of missions within that set number. They tried setting it at 3 per faction(in some cases that works) but generally you can accept all missions on a given board from same faction even if it's 10 or more....and then mode switch and take more.... Especially for boom data types. Fdev didn't limit these to 3 per faction because they KNOW how much of a grind it is to rep up for superpower rank.
In reality, Fdev chose to limit CERTAIN types of missions to 3 at a time and once three were in the transaction menu.... No more would populate on the mission board no matter how many times you mode switch.
Scan missions being the prime example.
You're argument is completely invalid.

 

[stooger]

If board switching is not considered an exploit then make it official... put the refresh button on the board which will generate another set of missions. Yeah I bet frontier wanted half the players to fly biggest and most expensive ships in game after few days. It obviously was a design choice... rotfl. Normal pace of game for average player assumes it will take some time to grind through ranks and $ to get some high end stuff, months, even years. But wait.. wat? No that can't be true. Because swithing will get me there in days. And it's not an exploit, not at all, because FD said so.... lol. The answer is simple. FD is not considering board switching an exploit because it's probably not easy to fix... so we can pretend there is no problem.
If board switching is not an exploit then combat log is not an exploit/cheat. Even better, CL has much less impact on the game overall than board switching. It affects only few (most of the time 2-4) players fighting in an instance here and there but board switching is affecting everything and everyone. Becuse it affects everyone when half the players get to the high end rank locked stuff in days instead of months/years. It affects the combat (because cutters everywhere), it affects CGs (because cutters everywhere), if affects trading (because cutters everywhere).
You can try to explain it whatever you like, and no matter what FD is considering this is... it's just not fair and clearly it argues with standard game pace.

 

[Susanna]

Wrong again snowflake.
Fdev limited the number of missions as a time gate, but has no issue with a player maximizing the number of missions within that set number. They tried setting it at 3 per faction(in some cases that works) but generally you can accept all missions on a given board from same faction even if it's 10 or more....and then mode switch and take more.... Especially for boom data types. Fdev didn't limit these to 3 per faction because they KNOW how much of a grind it is to rep up for superpower rank.
In reality, Fdev chose to limit CERTAIN types of missions to 3 at a time and once three were in the transaction menu.... No more would populate on the mission board no matter how many times you mode switch.
Scan missions being the prime example.
You're argument is completely invalid.

The only reason those two mission types where throttled back was because of the extreme credit making potential that they offered. Not for any ranking issues.

Let's be clear. No one is saying that mode switching is correct or right, only that it is currently the only reasonable course of action with how the mission and ranking systems currently work. When they work correctly, mode switching will become a thing of the past, because it will be better to not bother doing it. Until fdev rework it to this level, I think fdev are realistic enough to know that it is necessary and hence their stance on the matter.

 

[Katnisseve]

And you are rude, if you want to have a discussion, be civil. I'd much rather be wrong than rude. Tomorrow I might be right, you'll still be rude.

I showed why you were wrong, so because I disagreed with your position , what you have left is to sling dirt? You throwing out an insult at me is what is rude. Trying to then claim you're being civil is hypocritical. You don't know me...but then trying to assert rudeness to someone in the future is beyond rude.

 

[DukeIronHand]

If board switching is not considered an exploit then make it official... put the refresh button on the board which will generate another set of missions. Yeah I bet frontier wanted half the players to fly biggest and most expensive ships in game after few days. It obviously was a design choice... rotfl. Normal pace of game for average player assumes it will take some time to grind through ranks and $ to get some high end stuff, months, even years. But wait.. wat? No that can't be true. Because swithing will get me there in days. And it's not an exploit, not at all, because FD said so.... lol. The answer is simple. FD is not considering board switching an exploit because it's probably not easy to fix... so we can pretend there is no problem.
If board switching is not an exploit then combat log is not an exploit/cheat. Even better, CL has much less impact on the game overall than board switching. It affects only few (most of the time 2-4) players fighting in an instance here and there but board switching is affecting everything and everyone. Becuse it affects everyone when half the players get to the high end rank locked stuff in days instead of months/years. It affects the combat (because cutters everywhere), it affects CGs (because cutters everywhere), if affects trading (because cutters everywhere).
You can try to explain it whatever you like, and no matter what FD is considering this is... it's just not fair and clearly it argues with standard game pace.

Yessir.
I am feeling real bad that after years in the game and hundreds (thousands?) of hours of play time I may finally - after another couple hundred missions of course - finally, maybe, get to fly one of the ships in a space ship video game.
Yep. Feel bad.

 

[Aashenfox]

I showed why you were wrong, so because I disagreed with your position , what you have left is to sling dirt? You throwing out an insult at me is what is rude. Trying to then claim you're being civil is hypocritical. You don't know me...but then trying to assert rudeness to someone in the future is beyond rude.

No you didn't, you completely dismissed my assertions as wrong, despite clearly not knowing any better than I (please don't take the fact that I didn't address your points as evidence that you have proved me wrong, I just lost interest in talking to you about it). And even now you are being passive aggressive and trying to insinuate that I somehow attacked you, when I simply said I didn't appreciate the tone you use (with me and others). Others might be getting snarky with you in here (check your attitude I guess?) but I wasn't one of them, I'm always civil, a product of moderating a forum with half a million active users for over 12 years. That experience, by the way, allows me to know everything I need to know about you from reading this thread, and having been given the opportunity to apologise and make nice, you attacked again. Welcome to my ignore list, good luck with your future interactions.

By the way, it is an exploit, period. FD is only 'ok with it' because it saves them the trouble of fixing the mission system, as players have a current workaround. I'd even bet that's the exact wording in the internal memo 'low priority, workaround in place'.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

Yessir.
I am feeling real bad that after years in the game and hundreds (thousands?) of hours of play time I may finally - after another couple hundred missions of course - finally, maybe, get to fly one of the ships in a space ship video game.
Yep. Feel bad.

lol

if its not an exploit tho and FD are happy with it, he is not wrong to suggest adding a refresh button, regardless of my view of not liking it, it would draw a line under it, and clear up any confusion. it would also remove the pain of logging in and out (because surely no one actually wants to mode switch in this way?)

 

[Theodrid]

Since Fdev has stated OFFICIALLY that it isn't an exploit, your continual ranting is what is immature. You do not get to define what an exploit is...Fdev does.
Time and again you have been proven wrong....but still can't seem to acknowledge that and repeatedly belittle people YOU don't agree with. That is immature.

I will keep it simple just for you as you seem to require that, an exploit is the unintended use of a games function or functionality, if you concede that the menu log isn't intended to be used to stack missions then it HAS to be an exploit. Google it, my definition, your definition, Frontier's definition is all irrelevant, simply put that is what an exploit is and does, why don't you get that simple fact?

You are jumping through hoops spouting nonsense arguing that black is white, please feel free to link me a definition of exploit with regards to gaming that does not include the phrase 'unintended use' or something very similar.

 

[Aashenfox]

lol

if its not an exploit tho and FD are happy with it, he is not wrong to suggest adding a refresh button, regardless of my view of not liking it, it would draw a line under it, and clear up any confusion. it would also remove the pain of logging in and out (because surely no one actually wants to mode switch in this way?)

Indeed, I think we'd all prefer to have the boards generate more and more varied missions, than argue about the definition of an exploit!!

By the way, I am a 350Z driver too. I have a sunset 04! What a car.

 

[DukeIronHand]

lol

if its not an exploit tho and FD are happy with it, he is not wrong to suggest adding a refresh button, regardless of my view of not liking it, it would draw a line under it, and clear up any confusion. it would also remove the pain of logging in and out (because surely no one actually wants to mode switch in this way?)

If FD wants to add a Refresh Button then that's fine.
If FD wants to remove rank requirements from, basically, time (money) locked ships that's fine too.
If FD wants to improve the rank mission system so it is something other then an obvious time sink that's fine.
If FD removes Mode Switching and leaves the rest of the system intact that's fine too. Then they can keep the Cutter and Corvette and we will let only the original exploiters have it.

I am quite flexible and easy to please - just don't waste my time for no reason other then to pretend it's content.

 

[[VR] Mad Mike]

Frontier have work to do. I really don't care for the religious arguments and the ipso-facto logic; the sky is falling, it's so unfair and so on. It's up to Frontier to resolve; as it always has been. Until then, I will happily and comfortably use whatever in-game options are open to me to work around bugs and mechanics failings.

indeed but last i looked this is a discussion forum.

I am not butthurt, not saying sky is falling and i hope i never bring god into a discussion........ but what is the point of the forum if not to talk about things we like in game and things we dont?.

ps ipsofacto logic?

you lost me on that one. I always TRY to use logic and consistency in my discussions. obviously i sometimes fail but happy to be corrected when wrong.. and even if i disagree with you or you i, does it matter? it keeps things interesting.

 

[Ozram]

Is it just me or has this thread been highjacked?

 

[DukeIronHand]

Is it just me or has this thread been highjacked?

"No post is an island"

 

[Katnisseve]

I will keep it simple just for you as you seem to require that, an exploit is the unintended use of a games function or functionality, if you concede that the menu log isn't intended to be used to stack missions then it HAS to be an exploit. Google it, my definition, your definition, Frontier's definition is all irrelevant, simply put that is what an exploit is and does, why don't you get that simple fact?

You are jumping through hoops spouting nonsense arguing that black is white, please feel free to link me a definition of exploit with regards to gaming that does not include the phrase 'unintended use' or something very similar.

Again, you throw insult merely to try to add credence to your viewpoint. Typical.
I'm not, nor have I jumped through hoops or argued black is white metaphorically speaking.
Earlier in the thread someone posted definition of exploit from a dictionary. Didn't line up with your assertions.
I've NEVER stated mode switching was intended in the manner it's being used, but it's also not hacking the game, not cheating the system by making it give you an item for super low cost against the program code, or other such endeavors.

Just go play how you wish and stop trying to tell others how to.

 

[Jockey79]

I will keep it simple just for you as you seem to require that, an exploit is the unintended use of a games function or functionality, if you concede that the menu log isn't intended to be used to stack missions then it HAS to be an exploit. Google it, my definition, your definition, Frontier's definition is all irrelevant, simply put that is what an exploit is and does, why don't you get that simple fact?

You are jumping through hoops spouting nonsense arguing that black is white, please feel free to link me a definition of exploit with regards to gaming that does not include the phrase 'unintended use' or something very similar.

Well, I took you up on Googling "exploit". Here is the result below.

Please note, (the definition of "Software" is the only one directly connected to this topic as a PC game is "Software") includes the word "malicious". And somehow, I don't think you can maliciously refresh the job boards. Also, the word "unfair" is used and as we all can do it if we choose to - then it cannot be unfair.

You're also ignoring that the final say on what is and isn't an exploit is down to Frontier, as they created and own the software. What is "irrelevant" is everything you've put and anyone else who wants to argue about something that has already been resolved by the people who own the software.

 

[Theodrid]

Again, you throw insult merely to try to add credence to your viewpoint. Typical.
I'm not, nor have I jumped through hoops or argued black is white metaphorically speaking.
Earlier in the thread someone posted definition of exploit from a dictionary. Didn't line up with your assertions.
I've NEVER stated mode switching was intended in the manner it's being used, but it's also not hacking the game, not cheating the system by making it give you an item for super low cost against the program code, or other such endeavors.

Just go play how you wish and stop trying to tell others how to.

You started with the insults last night pal, if you can't take it don't dish it. Could you tell me what post or page the definition you describe is on please, I'm interested to read it.

Secondly, nobody has said what is going on is 'hacking', I'm sure most of us realise there is a difference between hacking and exploiting, (in most cases).

Finally, I'm not telling anyone 'how to play', genuinely, I don't mind that much if you are stacking missions, but please at least have the man bits to own it, to call it as it is and stop trying to wriggle away from a common knowledge explanation of what exploitation is, does and what it means.

 

[Theodrid]

Well, I took you up on Googling "exploit". Here is the result below.

Please note, (the definition of "Software" is the only one directly connected to this topic as a PC game is "Software") includes the word "malicious". And somehow, I don't think you can maliciously refresh the job boards. Also, the word "unfair" is used and as we all can do it if we choose to - then it cannot be unfair.

You're also ignoring that the final say on what is and isn't an exploit is down to Frontier, as they created and own the software. What is "irrelevant" is everything you've put and anyone else who wants to argue about something that has already been resolved by the people who own the software.

http://i.imgur.com/jA5Ci5p.jpg

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_exploits

While I realise Wiki isn't the Bible this is a good explanation, other Google searches back that up, other developer posts and games back that up, my years in gaming back hat up.

Chck the results when you narrow your search to gaming exploits, computer game exploits and the like as opposed to the general term that references exploitation of resources etc.

 

[Morbad]

the definition of "Software" is the only one directly connected to this topic

Incorrect.

The second definition listed is the one generally referred to when talking about exploits in this context. Exploiting a situation allowed by bug or other unintended feature for one's benefit.

Also, the word "unfair" is used and as we all can do it if we choose to - then it cannot be unfair.

It's patently obvious that our ability as players to mode switch is not something that our CMDR's or the Elite setting can be aware of in an in-game context. The mission board refreshing from mode switching is a side effect Frontier doesn't have a good workaround for yet, not an intended mechanism.

Yes, we can all cheat, if we choose to, but most swapping for the purpose of cheesing the mission board is not acceptable to anyone who is trying to play the game as intended, without repeatedly shattering the fourth wall, nor is it one of those potentially positive, but simply unforeseen, emergent gameplay elements. It's an oversight and a flaw that gives those willing to abuse it an edge over those who are not.

 

[Katnisseve]

You started with the insults last night pal, if you can't take it don't dish it. Could you tell me what post or page the definition you describe is on please, I'm interested to read it.

Secondly, nobody has said what is going on is 'hacking', I'm sure most of us realise there is a difference between hacking and exploiting, (in most cases).

Finally, I'm not telling anyone 'how to play', genuinely, I don't mind that much if you are stacking missions, but please at least have the man bits to own it, to call it as it is and stop trying to wriggle away from a common knowledge explanation of what exploitation is, does and what it means.

Funny.... And quite ironic your last attempt at insulting me is way off the mark. But... I'll give you pass on that one.
I'm not a dude, but thanks for thinking of me as your pal
I'm a mid forties mom.
I have in fact stated I've mode switched, so my girl bits have owned it already.

 

[Theodrid]

Funny.... And quite ironic your last attempt at insulting me is way off the mark. But... I'll give you pass on that one.
I'm not a dude, but thanks for thinking of me as your pal
I'm a mid forties mom.
I have in fact stated I've mode switched, so my girl bits have owned it already.

Firstly, apologies for my assumption you were male, my bad, secondly, yes you have and mode switching to stack missions is an unintended use of such so therefore is what?