Not sure they would, there are many places the hue slider has not yet been.
Cosmetics: Why they need a change
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Not sure they would, there are many places the hue slider has not yet been.
The amount of time that has passed since you paid is only one part of the equation. So is the number of hours actually played. But beyond that, it's about having a certain expectation of what the pricetag on the expansion should include, regardless of how long it takes or how many hours you play.
The fact still remains, we paid a cover charge at the door to get in, but the current store model more or less ignores that fact.
What exactly are you looking for here? I can give you examples from both ends of the spectrum. I bought nearly 250 skins in LoL because I liked their business model and felt like I was getting good value for my money.
On the flip side, I played 1200+ hours of TERA Online and went out of my way to acquire things with in-game currency where possible and hardly ever bought anything from the cash shop because their model wasn't as friendly (overpriced, RNG boxes, time restrictions, etc).
But the important part here isn't comparing what I spend in B2P vs F2P, it's comparing what I spent in a game with a good cash shop model vs what I spent in a game with an iffy cash shop model.
Want to know what I spend in Black Desert Online's pay to win cash shop? $0. And it will stay like that.
The only thing B2P vs F2P should really affect how much content is included with the game rather than put in the store, and right now a lot of F2P games out there are giving away more cosmetics than FDev yet are doing just fine.
Which is still gasp giving money back. When you consider that somebody who buys the cosmetics will probably buy the skins they like anyway. Why would they give somebody who doesn't want to pay money for it for free paintjobs and then give the people likely to buy them store credit? To placate the person who doesn't want to buy them?
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I suppose you stopped reading at the gasp, huh?
You know the current store items are worth more than $1700, counting absolutely everything its around $1800+ add that to the coming Holo-me Items it would be over $2000 easily, even $3000. .
Every single game that I've played that are not F2P Has included "cosmetics". You paying 60$ I paid over 120$ for this game to support FD. never I imagine they would be so greedy with the customization options. Not even a basic color wheel. Basic Decals or Basic unlockable skins for achieving ranks that take lots of hours of play.
They are limiting their on game-player interaction and rewards because of their greediness, and like mentioned before, they work around features that can be squeezed with microtransactions.
So sad, hopefully, things will change for the good and not the bad.
Treating your customers like cows it's going to leave a sour taste slowly but surely, and people are starting to realize what is happening.
A bad reputation is the worst enemy.
best of luck to all
Every single game that I've played that are not F2P Has included "cosmetics". You paying 60$ I paid over 120$ for this game to support FD. never I imagine they would be so greedy with the customization options. Not even a basic color wheel. Basic Decals or Basic unlockable skins for achieving ranks that take lots of hours of play.
They are limiting their on game-player interaction and rewards because of their greediness, and like mentioned before, they work around features that can be squeezed with microtransactions.
So sad, hopefully, things will change for the good and not the bad.
Treating your customers like cows it's going to leave a sour taste slowly but surely, and people are starting to realize what is happening.
A bad reputation is the worst enemy.
best of luck to all
Nope, but by giving somebody store credit they will then use to buy a skin they probably would have spent more real money on just so that somebody who doesn't want to pay for skins can have one for free is not really a good buisness model.
Alternatively they could give the skins away for free and go down the WOW route of charging for DLC and then subscription on top.
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It's kinda like having a mate who's not that well off.
You're happy to get the beers in, not a big deal.
But when one day they turn round and there's that *expectation* that you should pay, well the relationship changes and perhaps you're like :
"sorry mate, can't really afford it anymore".
While I understand it's a business, people want to believe Frontier aren't primarily motivated by money. And I believe many at Frontier see it the right way.
But it's starting to seem like elements at Frontier have a different focus and if it continues I think it's likely to sour the relationship Frontier has with its players.
And when it becomes clear to a player that it really is just a business relationship, and we are only here to make money off, well that's the day the goodwill and the impulse buys stop.
It would be nice if those folk at Frontier who aren't so bottom line focused, perhaps push back a little against those that are driving this need to paywall.
You're happy to get the beers in, not a big deal.
But when one day they turn round and there's that *expectation* that you should pay, well the relationship changes and perhaps you're like :
"sorry mate, can't really afford it anymore".
While I understand it's a business, people want to believe Frontier aren't primarily motivated by money. And I believe many at Frontier see it the right way.
But it's starting to seem like elements at Frontier have a different focus and if it continues I think it's likely to sour the relationship Frontier has with its players.
And when it becomes clear to a player that it really is just a business relationship, and we are only here to make money off, well that's the day the goodwill and the impulse buys stop.
It would be nice if those folk at Frontier who aren't so bottom line focused, perhaps push back a little against those that are driving this need to paywall.
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I don't mind the current system, but there should be more free items (free powerplay markings are a good start).
But what really needs to happen is they need to stop talking about upcoming paid content like they're doing me a favor... sweet - pirate kits... but don't talk about them like I should be thrilled you're charging me for it.
But what really needs to happen is they need to stop talking about upcoming paid content like they're doing me a favor... sweet - pirate kits... but don't talk about them like I should be thrilled you're charging me for it.
I think that with so few major expansions coming out (Horizons taking it's time ..), they need some sort of income.
I do not know how well FD is doing economically speaking, maybe just fine? But if the full cosmetic model they are using now is their only option, then I support it.
Edit : I agree though, some more free stuff would be nice. Even more if money isn't an issue, as I assumed it to be.
I do not know how well FD is doing economically speaking, maybe just fine? But if the full cosmetic model they are using now is their only option, then I support it.
Edit : I agree though, some more free stuff would be nice. Even more if money isn't an issue, as I assumed it to be.
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Free stuff is always cool. I like free stuff.
That said... I would NOT play this game if I had to pay a monthly subscription. I never even would have bought it in the first place, regardless of anything anyone (or FD) could have said, I hate subscription models and I wouldn't have done it.
I would be fairly unhappy with a pay2win. It may not have prevented me from playing, but it certainly would have detracted from my experience.
Currently I've spent $133.25 in the store. I don't feel like I've been cheated or ripped off in any way. My gaming experience would be exactly the same if I had not bought the stuff I did. At least 1/2 of the motivation for me to buy new skins is to help FD out with my extra $$. Every Friday I check to see what's been added, and I've been disappointed in the last month or so because nothing has caught my eye.
So basically, the FD model is fine with me. I do think it would make sense to group the paint packs a little differently, or not at all. I really liked the free Eagle paint with the CG before Christmas time. I was, unfortunately, WAY out of the bubble when that happened but that's not FD's fault. Hopefully they'll do that kind of thing again. I also hope that with ALL of the new items that will be available for sale, FD will lower the individual prices a little. But, it's their business and they can run it how they see fit. If they overprice their cosmetic items, people will show them by NOT buying them.
-J
That said... I would NOT play this game if I had to pay a monthly subscription. I never even would have bought it in the first place, regardless of anything anyone (or FD) could have said, I hate subscription models and I wouldn't have done it.
I would be fairly unhappy with a pay2win. It may not have prevented me from playing, but it certainly would have detracted from my experience.
Currently I've spent $133.25 in the store. I don't feel like I've been cheated or ripped off in any way. My gaming experience would be exactly the same if I had not bought the stuff I did. At least 1/2 of the motivation for me to buy new skins is to help FD out with my extra $$. Every Friday I check to see what's been added, and I've been disappointed in the last month or so because nothing has caught my eye.
So basically, the FD model is fine with me. I do think it would make sense to group the paint packs a little differently, or not at all. I really liked the free Eagle paint with the CG before Christmas time. I was, unfortunately, WAY out of the bubble when that happened but that's not FD's fault. Hopefully they'll do that kind of thing again. I also hope that with ALL of the new items that will be available for sale, FD will lower the individual prices a little. But, it's their business and they can run it how they see fit. If they overprice their cosmetic items, people will show them by NOT buying them.
-J
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Im not sure if OP is meaning this, but I agree with this post. I didnt think much of buying paint schemes or any of the things available at the store, till I saw a pirate Cobra NPC with a spider paint job. I flew to a port, saw what was available...hmm just one colour..black...I wanted something more, and started going through the store, got myself a bright yellow paint for my Python. Now, I buy things for any ship I'm using, my SRV's and SLFs. But the reason Im saying this is that I didnt think of changing paint, at all, when I first got the game, because there were no options, there was nothing to consider. No preview, nothing to even toggle whatever's toggled to make me say, yeah I'd give $5 for that. I think I only started buying paints/kits/bobbleheads about 1.5 years into playing this. That's 78 weeks. That's a long time, that Im sure I would have been purchasing more of the paints (if you had enough avaiable), or anything, since I find I enjoy that.
And then, also, having ability to change colours, pleases more of those players who are not into micro-transactions. There's a lot of people Im sure who are just never going to do that. But they should have at least a bit of choice.
Plus, it brings more variety to what other players see, in CG's or whatever.
Nameplates..definitely should have it displayed in Comic Sans, or something. Maybe Time-New-Roman as default.
But how about bumper stickers, in the store?
"I brake for nobody!"
Frankly we don't need free stuff, they can add game mechanics to unlock some paid items, paints, whatever within the game like given rewards for unlocking grindy ranks for a start is a good idea or general, ship, avatar achievements categories with unlock able stuff from store.For example, you flown with asp-e 100 hours you get one stage of an achievement then as the second stage, you explored X count of stars with it and achievement completes, ASP-E achievement gives you a basic color reward from Pilot's Federation.
I do agree I think Frontier need to give some incentive with the game. We need skin rewards in the game.
Except that Elite absolutely does *not* do 'pay to progress'.
So, actually, not like Elite at all.
Yeah there is no denying that the game experience is a lesser one with all this stuff behind a paywall. I havent totted it up recently but someone suggested all the cosmetics add up to ~1500 euros.
I've no idea how the game is performing financially. I think its fair to say most people are happy to support the game and want it to do well but it really looks like they are taking the mic these days. The straw that seems to have broken the camels back is the ship naming.
Finally, it seems people are starting to push back at this and ask if this is fair.
I like this idea, but to be brutally honest it's not because I care about anything being free. I just want to be able to buy more detailed cosmetics with some real time and effort put into them. And having to compete with basic free cosmetics would drive the paid ones to become more like that.