Could Frontier please demonstrate how to use the FSS enjoyably?

[Ian Skippy]

While you are so eager to say "Well that's how we feel about the FSS...", I will deprive you of that, because this time it just doesn't work in reverse.

To be fair, claiming to enjoy the zero-involvement, zero-activity, zero-skill approach is actually legit, but it is ultimately up to FD to decide as a company whether or not the average gamer is interested in that or not. We all know the answer to it, some of us just pretend not to know because we don't like it.

 

[IndigoWyrd]

Shields defeat the purpose of multicannons, so lets remove those too.

Why is the FSS the only thing that is mandatory, when every other module is either entirely optional or comes in multiple sizes/grades?

Like ship lights, landing gear, the data link scanner, the composition scanner, or targeting reticle?

 

[IndigoWyrd]

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Tough.

 

[[Diplomacy] Carnegie]

I would not like it. I hated the ADS. I hated the DSS. And because of this the furthest I had ever traveled out of the bubble was 6,400 Light Years. I simply could not stomach it. There was absolutely nothing to do, except wrap a hairband around my joystick to hold Trigger 2, and watch Netflix. Exploration under the old system was absolute garbage. There would be no reason to switch from an active, engaging system like the FSS to a totally garbage mechanic without any engagement. While you are so eager to say "Well that's how we feel about the FSS...", I will deprive you of that, because this time it just doesn't work in reverse.

Yes, nobody ever explored before the FSS because the mechanics weren't engaging. You see, just because they weren't engaging for you, doesn't mean everyone felt the same way. So the question totally works in reverse - If FDev removed gameplay that you'd spent thousands of hours enjoying, you would absolutely be filling the forum with requests to have it reinstated.

 

[[Diplomacy] Carnegie]

Like ship lights, landing gear, the data link scanner, the composition scanner, or targeting reticle?

Oh please. You're comparing ship lights to the ADS? If anything they're more like the FSS, since I very rarely use them.

 

[IndigoWyrd]

Oh please. You're comparing ship lights to the ADS? If anything they're more like the FSS, since I very rarely use them.

I forgot canopies too, but the ADS is closer to the primer that's sprayed on before applying a paint job - something best never seen again.

 

[[Diplomacy] Carnegie]

I forgot canopies too, but the ADS is closer to the primer that's sprayed on before applying a paint job - something best never seen again.

Incidentally, night vision is an alternative to ship lights, so as well as being a pathetic argument, it's also wrong.

Some explorer you are, if you're not down to the primer.

 

[Ian Skippy]

Yes, nobody ever explored before the FSS because the mechanics weren't engaging.

Nobody argues that. People also explained they did explore, but because of stellar forge rather than the absymal placeholder mechanics. I got to Elite, but didnt like the 'press a button, hold a button' 'skill' that was involved. You know these arguments, yet ignore them as usual. Because you aren't interested in a sincere, a mature discussion. You'd ratehr repeat the same point over and over and over and over and over again. Okay then.

You see, just because they weren't engaging for you, doesn't mean everyone felt the same

We know. FD acknowledged that, and explained why they still went ahead. You also know that, so you just presented this false 'argument' knowingly, again. As many told you over and over: there is no reason for this. You can just present your case about what you like in a computer game without these feeble arguments, and being sincere might even entice people to take your side.

I once spend two weeks coming up with a proposal that would benefit you and others, but after posting it I lost heart given the endless dishonest nonsense. Others told you the same. You might want to take notice. Just say what you want, honestly, without obvious fallacies, taking words out of context, ignoring arguments and perspectives. Or you could just continue repeating the same stuff over and over. Maybe it makes you feel better, I don't know.

 

[[Diplomacy] Carnegie]

Nobody argues that. People also explained they did explore, but because of stellar forge rather than the absymal placeholder mechanics. I got to Elite, but didnt like the 'press a button, hold a button' 'skill' that was involved. You know these arguments, yet ignore them as usual. Because you aren't interested in a sincere, a mature discussion. You'd ratehr repeat the same point over and over and over and over and over again. Okay then.



We know. FD acknowledged that, and explained why they still went ahead. You also know that, so you just presented this false 'argument' knowingly, again. As many told you over and over: there is no reason for this. You can just present your case about what you like in a computer game without these feeble arguments, and being sincere might even entice people to take your side.

I once spend two weeks coming up with a proposal that would benefit you and others, but I lost heart given the endless dishonest nonsense. Others told you the same. You might want to take notice. Or just continue repeating the same stuff again. Maybe it makes you feel better, I don't know.

You've said that all before Skippy. Did it make you feel better?

 

[Ian Skippy]

You've said that all before Skippy. Did it make you feel better?

Out out of near-morbid curiosity: do you think that counts as an argument of sorts?

 

[IndigoWyrd]

Incidentally, night vision is an alternative to ship lights, so as well as being a pathetic argument, it's also wrong.

Some explorer you are, if you're not down to the primer.

I'm down to bare metal. The primer was stripped away 20k light years ago.

 

[[Diplomacy] Carnegie]

Out out of near-morbid curiosity: do you think that counts as an argument of sorts?

Oh, did you want an argument? That's new. You've never paid any attention to other points of view before.

 

[Riverside]

While you are so eager to say "Well that's how we feel about the FSS...", I will deprive you of that, because this time it just doesn't work in reverse.

I didn't need to say it

Fortunately the two could happily co-exist, FDev just need to put the old modules back into outfitting & the problem is solved. If only all problems were so easily solved eh?

 

[[Diplomacy] Carnegie]

Tbf its the same people arguing with the same people in this thread and many more before it.

Frontier made their decisions and it's now unlikely that they'll suddenly reverse course and add back stuff or remove stuff because the usual suspects cant get over it.

However, the joy of the Suggestions Forum is that we can suggest ways in which FDev can un-screw them. Some people forget that basic fact and fall back on whining "But FDev saaa-aaid".

Nice work.

 

[lenna]

Last I checked no one is referring to that? but about the mechanics and how they feel?

What was being discussed was the basis of the claims that those that wish to use an ADS replacement should be penalised in terms of rewards.

 

[Ian Skippy]

Oh, did you want an argument? That's new. You've never paid any attention to other points of view before.

I posted a detailed proposal taking into account your and other perspectives. You once even acknowledged that, but the trenches just keep on being dug deeper. Too bad, it is not as if any of this handbag-swinging is persuading anyone with any influence.

 

[Ian Skippy]

Interesting that its in the suggestion forum given the OP never suggested a change to it. They simply asked Frontier to demonstrate how it can be fun.

A number of us spend considerable effort on making multiple suggestions that would appease the prominent nay-sayers. Most of them never got involved in any of it. More fun to just moan and whine, throw insults around, take quotes out of context and see how many fallacies you can pile into one post. Starting topic after topic after topic and pushing them to 100+ pages over and over with the same nonsense? Fun! Honest and constructive discussions about the actual implementation of game mechanics? Never!

 

[[Diplomacy] Carnegie]

Interesting that its in the suggestion forum given the OP never suggested a change to it. They simply asked Frontier to demonstrate how it can be fun.

It's a terrible OP, I agree, but the conversation has moved on.

 

[lenna]

The process of creating that map is why I explore, not for the credits, not for the screen shot opportunities, and certainly not discovered by tags.

Ultimately, that "process" is not why I explore - credits/discovery tags are a bonus and help to pay for repairs and investments, screen shot opportunities are circumstantial - the so called "process" not enjoyable, it is a grind, and a means to an end I would rather not have to deal with in it's current form. The approach arguably needs to be ripped up and redone from scratch, not that it is likely to happen. Hence, why I would settle for an ADS replacement.

I used to explore for the experience and the pleasure of going places and seeing certain things, the 3.3 FSS/DSS mechanics ruined that.

The FSS is anything but an esoteric art, it is essentially a radio-telescope emulation and unsuitable for ED IMO. It is pure grind and a pain in the backside.

 

[[Diplomacy] Carnegie]

I posted a detailed proposal taking into account your and other perspectives. You once even acknowledged that, but the trenches just keep on being dug deeper. Too bad, it is not as if any of this handbag-swinging is persuading anyone with any influence.

If I remember correctly, I mostly supported your suggestion. It's a shame FDev hasn't (visibly) taken on board your, or anyone else's suggestions - even Ziljian's, back in the beta discussion.

However, I recall a similarly entrenched discussion about autopilot, which lasted years, and now we have the SCA and ADC, so it seems there's some value in constantly repeating oneself in the Suggestions Forum