Fdev can make a bunch of cool ideas for CQC but I dont think it would help with player count any (except for temporary bump) unless they add an incentive to play it beyond a "oh whats this thing called 'CQC'?", like actual pay instead of the 5CR per match you get now or arx rewards with a separate cap from the main game.
CQC 5.5 years old. Update 1 due yet?
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Great suggestion there o7. Sorry, I was away over the weekend but I've done that, this morning! o7
EVERYONE & CM TEAM:
The OP has everyone's suggestions now included in one easy place
.I've also tried to cut out some of the 'to and fro' from discussions and included key parts so it's easier for the CM Team, devs and ourselves.
Let me know if I've missed anything o7. Here it is now:
I look forward to the day when there'll be new CQC matches. Please see below for the situation, specifics, personal and community solutions:
The situation:
Suggestions:
- CQC came out 5.5 years ago (edit - 6 years ago now) in Oct 2015 as an MVP.
- It was then put on Steam but pulled as there wasn't enough content and so not enough users.
- I was surprised it was put on Steam, considering CQC only has/had 4 levels and 4 ships.
- Of course, Frontier then logically removed it from Steam early 2017.
- By that time, Horizons had already been out for a year and many in the community expected ground based CQC but even by December 2021, there's nothing new like the 10 points below.
- Cross Play***. The separate platform communities can be finally merged as a joint community for CQC, as the pilot
- Sphere of combat CQC with people having different roles to play in assault / defence matches
- Guardian fighters
- Other new fighters like the Taipan or even the Imp Eagle (considering CQC has the standard Eagle). Also outfitting unlocks E.G. fighter variants used for Hangers in-game since 2.2 (a year after CQC came out)
- SRV CQC
- Elite racers CQC
- On-foot CQC
- New levels including planetary maps. There are so, so many beautiful locations in Elite which can be used
- New lobby
- CQC bots - For this point, that wouldn't be needed if cross play was done
Community suggestions from this thread (clicking the names will take you to the comments):
CMDR Astraea Astralis: Really great suggestions! Especially the idea of adding racing to Arena...
I've summarised this one from Vurrath, basically suggesting different 'releases' or tournaments, where you can choose whether to stay in your old one or join a newer one with newer features
How could those happen?
- From the perspective of someone who works in tech for a leading UK company (and how I see Frontier) - an ideal solution would be to have a dedicated CQC product team.
- Frontier really should have Agile product teams for large game features rather than projects in a waterfall release process. It that's already taking place, it would be massively appreciated to have CQC included within the Agile side.
- Agile product teams allow constantly refining and improving different aspects without impacting other development from devs continually context switching.
- Tech teams feel rewarded for the work they've built from the ground up, and that continues, as their work continues to get developed. I still think that can be done with CQC.
- New CMDRs get drawn in by each improvement and existing CMDRs are happy as there's always something new (even if it's something small IMO).
CQC and certain other aspects of Elite could be so, so amazing - even more so than they already are and I already love Elite
Frontier, please don't ditch it. What you released half a decade ago was great, CQC just still needs to be fleshed out.
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Was thinking of less work just summarizing them like
"arx rewards with separate cap"
"increase CR rewards by 1000"
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but that works too. Didn't know you could link them to the actual post though.
"arx rewards with separate cap"
"increase CR rewards by 1000"
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but that works too. Didn't know you could link them to the actual post though.
Yeah, I did consider that too but decided to put more of their context, just to make sure other peoples (and your) points are properly conveyed. Hopefully that's good for everyone.
Happy to share how I did it:
- In a text box, use the forums quote button (from the top of the text box)
- Type/Copy the users name and put it inside the quote you just made
- Hover over the share icon of their comment (at the top right of their post)
- Copy the link
- Go back to your quote box and highlight the name you put in
- Use the insert link button (from the top of the text box again)
- Lastly, copy and paste the comments over
- Rince and repeat
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Summary of CQC ideas I would like to see in game:
ARX rewards of 10 per match with separate weekly cap of 100 (or more if you feel generous Fdev)
Increase Credit rewards by at least 2000x. That would put it in the range of 20M/hr (yes it really is only around 10-15k/hr right now)
Add Guardian Fighters
Give option when quitting CQC to pick engineering materials as extra rewards of 2-3 G5 per match (or equivalent in other grades with down trading)
Add "current players" counter to game modes to see which mode actually has players in it
Enable already purchased ship skins in customize menu
Race mode with hoops like in tutorial
ARX rewards of 10 per match with separate weekly cap of 100 (or more if you feel generous Fdev
)Increase Credit rewards by at least 2000x. That would put it in the range of 20M/hr (yes it really is only around 10-15k/hr right now)
Add Guardian Fighters
Give option when quitting CQC to pick engineering materials as extra rewards of 2-3 G5 per match (or equivalent in other grades with down trading)
Add "current players" counter to game modes to see which mode actually has players in it
Enable already purchased ship skins in customize menu
Race mode with hoops like in tutorial
I created a thread giving my opinion on this since I didn't see this one, so I'm sorry for not checking more throroughly in this subforum. Anyway, these are the ideas I had so far:
- Increase dramatically the credit rewards.
- Decrease dramatically the amount of experience needed for increasing Pilot Federation CQC rank, especially since with the release of ED: Oddysey it now have ranks Elite II-V.
- Reward ARX and high grade materials, whether the engineering grind problem is fixed or not. ARX rewards could also not count towards the weekly cap.
- Reward exclusive cosmetics and engineered modules and weapons when increasing rank, or reward them as players reach certain rank levels (each 10, for example).
- Reward exclusive cosmetics for increasing Pilot Federation CQC rank, for a ship of choice.
- Display the number of players in each CQC mode, a quality of life feature that would save player's time.
- Create a practice mode with bots and no rewards, similar to the incursion training simulations, so people can practice before playing against other players.
- Add Faulcon DeLacy's Taipan to the pool of playable ships for the sake of adding variety.
- The engineer Tod "The Blaster" McQuinn has a story with CQC Arena. Maybe shoving certain types of gameplay down player's throats is not a great idea, but even now they have to go out of their way in order to receive some invitations or unlocking some engineers, and even more so to engineer modules. Making it a requirement for receiving an invitation from him to have a certain rank in CQC, even if it's a low one, is something that could be done, and probably should have been done in the past; sadly, changing it now would not affect those who already met the current requirements.
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That is less than half a cent worth. Is there really anyone who can afford a computer or console who is even remotely motivated by half a cent? I suspect that if people dont want to play CQC, they also dont want to play if they get half a cent which they can only use in the game store.
Well if it was fixed then a lot more people would be playing it. Its not that no one uses many features because they were a bad idea but because they dont work or were never finished, like multi crew (anyone remember that feature?).
I love this idea. Instead of the bars we got new where there are folks scattered around like store window dummies drinking pots of glue, we could have folks buying real drinks like Lavian Brandy and Leesti's Evil Juice, and betting consoles where we can put money down on who we think would win a bout. If instancing is a problem with actual live events, FDev could use prerecorded matches, or ones with random NPCs
Thanks for continuing to ignore us @Bruce G . Much appreciated
For the few remaining people who stayed loyal when the vast majority of others have stopped (as you know), it really makes us feel unvalued by ignoring us.
For context relating specifically to this:
... Anyone can see that the older players are the ones Frontier should've been listening to and trying to retain by communicating back with us. The newer people from Odyssey don't have the same level of investment like my +7,100 hours. But the fact that you consistently show you couldn't care less has significantly destroyed the hope many people had. Just look at the lack of any content on Youtube compared to every year before. Look at all the key people from years ago.... oh, and be sure to give Drew Wager a wave as he enjoys Star Citizen instead.
Putting your head in the sand doesn't solve anything. We're paying customers and many of the more loyal ones of us have left already or are very close leaving.
Elite Dangerous isn't a religion. We need more than just faith. Please see the OP for the suggestions from this thread. Thank you
For the few remaining people who stayed loyal when the vast majority of others have stopped (as you know), it really makes us feel unvalued by ignoring us.
For context relating specifically to this:
Answering that though, if we all keep the talking and the great ideas flowing, then it'll really help Frontier when they finally get back to us.
Good morning Frontier.
Have any CMs seen this yet please?
We'd be very grateful to hear something, anything, please and thank you
... Anyone can see that the older players are the ones Frontier should've been listening to and trying to retain by communicating back with us. The newer people from Odyssey don't have the same level of investment like my +7,100 hours. But the fact that you consistently show you couldn't care less has significantly destroyed the hope many people had. Just look at the lack of any content on Youtube compared to every year before. Look at all the key people from years ago.... oh, and be sure to give Drew Wager a wave as he enjoys Star Citizen instead.
Putting your head in the sand doesn't solve anything. We're paying customers and many of the more loyal ones of us have left already or are very close leaving.
Elite Dangerous isn't a religion. We need more than just faith. Please see the OP for the suggestions from this thread. Thank you
Bruce G
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O7 Commander Evolution, thanks for your message. I do my best to get back to people when they tag me on the forums so apologies if I missed something of yours earlier.
With regards to CQC, I've paid close attention to what's been asked for and worked with players directly and used what I've read on the forums to document suggestions and changes. This proposal has been passed along to the development team so now it's for them and production to run with. As and when there's anything to share, I'll be delighted to share it, knowing how much love there is for CQC.
I honestly think there could be a lot of love for it if you could get a reliable match.. maybe that wasn't against the same 3 people all the time! It looks like a lot of fun.
I get why you might not answer every ping... but he forum comminity would love an update... just in case you haven't had time to notice the new thread every hour about the lack of communications from FD in general.
I am classed as a white knight and even I think it's pathetic
Happy new year Bruce.
Now you have done it, all 8 of them are gonna stomp their feet and shake their fingers at you.
TBF, there's nothing to state that this isn't the proposal.
Thank you so much Bruce, that's brilliant to hear.
I want to say sorry for getting a bit emotional earlier but it's just because I care so much about Elite.
Thanks again and stay safe
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Do bear in mind some peeps out there are completionists of sorts...
CQC completion (from what I gather...) Is:::
-- Rank 50, then Prestige once to unlock the permit to the CQC Home system
-- The "Quad" Elite status of reaching Elite within CQC
-- Reaching true max rank (Prestige 8, Level 50
A very HEFTY goal given the condition of CQC as is, for us console players (Xbox Commander here), it is very difficult to find a match, even deathmatch that requires 2 people is becoming task in itself
@Bruce G sorry to be tagging you in this, granted many other players maayyy have acquired the permit for CQC Home System, is there any plans to change the requirement at all?, Changing the required level or making it similar to other permits? (Reaching allied and snagging the permit mission from the faction mission board)
Maybe deducting a couple of billion credits from my assets for one??
The main trouble would be, then the permit wouldn't be a CQC permit anymore. Finding a match is unfortunately difficult on all platforms now. It's nothing like the first good few years and why I put CQC cross play as suggestion 1 in the OPDo bear in mind some peeps out there are completionists of sorts...
CQC completion (from what I gather...) Is:::
-- Rank 50, then Prestige once to unlock the permit to the CQC Home system
-- The "Quad" Elite status of reaching Elite within CQC
-- Reaching true max rank (Prestige 8, Level 50
A very HEFTY goal given the condition of CQC as is, for us console players (Xbox Commander here), it is very difficult to find a match, even deathmatch that requires 2 people is becoming task in itself
@Bruce G sorry to be tagging you in this, granted many other players maayyy have acquired the permit for CQC Home System, is there any plans to change the requirement at all?, Changing the required level or making it similar to other permits? (Reaching allied and snagging the permit mission from the faction mission board)
Maybe deducting a couple of billion credits from my assets for one??
.Ps this isn't aimed at you my friend but just in general regarding some previous comments from others: You'll always see people saying they want some elements taken out of the game but that's just because they don't do it and/or aren't open minded enough to try it out. I'll never understand their mindset but we're all entitled to our views. I haven't asked for mining to be removed and never would, although I never do it. Each to their own if you ask me (and probably 98% of the population). Let's all just do what we like and let others have their fun too o7
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