but will it be compatible with my zoon?
Cross-play
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Nope, I don't trust you, you are wrong in this matter. Mouse and keyboard will always loose against controller, Hotas or sim-raceing equipment when we're talking flight or racing simulator. Even with some PvP like battlefield, Destiny etc i'm not sure that the mouse and Keyboard gamers will have an advantage. Lots of gamers who have tried this out.
The reason why some gamers prefer to use a keyboard is all the shortcuts t you can have on the keyboard. It would be nice if we could do the same thing with our controller and the keyboard we can put on the controller.
It's more up to each player to choose what they think will be best. I use both, it's more the game I play that decides which I gonna use.
The reason why you aren't in the top is because your gaming skills ain't good enough and have nothing to do with whether or not you use a joystick/controller. And most gamers on PC do not have a controller, they don't even own a Xbox or Playstation.
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Oh and I guess yours are?
Read my post carefully. I straight up admitted that I'm not the best.
But that doesn't mean I can't observe the top-tier...
You know, watching streams? I didn't realise not having skills makes me literally blind.
No...
Methinks someone is a little frustrated that his chosen platform is ridiculously restricted, and is taking every opportunity to attack that which he cannot have.
No matter. Cross-play is never gonna' happen, so I wouldn't lose sleep over it.
When the moon is full, it begins to wane...
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BTW... I can bloody assure you that a lot of PC Gamers own at least one gamepad.
Go ask on DD what people like to drive their SRV with... It's the Xbox 360 pad.
You know why us PC gamers have at least one pad?
Because we actually get choice and are not dictated by Big-Daddy Microsoft.
If you think I'm frustrated about having a Xbox, then think again!
Cross-play is already here, again you wrong, damn you sound very frustrated! - And we gonna have a lot more Cross platform in the future, because that is what the gaming industry and Microsoft wants.
And about Microsoft, they decide everything that goes on to their platform, that includes almost every PC on the marked. They decide if a game or an app is being allowed on windows platform...
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You keep telling yourself that, and let me laugh, in the event it does happen, that people start crying "PC advantage!"
Because that will happen. It's already happening. Case in point. War Thunder.
Not in my hands it isn't [haha]
I still prefer using the controller for FPS and action games, since muscle memory helps with reaction times and accuracy more than a fancy mouse to my mind...plus I'm still fairly useless with mouse and keyboard after so many years away from it.
I've heard mouse & keyboard is supposedly more accurate etc...not in my experience so far on PC playing adversarial FPS games, I'm still roughly where I was on the leader boards on PC as I was on Xbox...
So either everyone is using a controller, or I'm constantly T-bagging some serious mouse & keyboard players
Ow boy, back when I played FPS on pc, and played games like Battlefield or CoD 1 and 2 online, my mouse cursor was all over the screen, i just couldn't get used to the movements. Now in Battlefield this wasn't a huge issue since you can win that game with tactics as well. But in CoD, damn, i never mastered the 360 spin no scope like all the other cool kids.
I had to turn sensitivity half way down so i could actually hit somebody, now thinking back i'd prolly should have used a controller.
You keep coming back to WarThunder, but your reasons are really so wrong.
The reason why PC players mopped the floor with us is because Gaijin thought it was a good idea to drop un-experienced console first timers in a server with PC players that played the game for years already. Experienced PC players that already fine tuned all their bindings, memorized all the buttons/features, and what those features mean/did.
We new console Noobs needed to learn the game, bind the button bindings we wanted on controller and Keyboard (Yeah, WarThunder has FULL KEYBOARD SUPPORT... did you read that Fdev?? [yesnod][big grin]).
That's the sole reason why they mopped the floor with us.. Now, after a couple of weeks playing, and (i think) i found my own perfect control configurations. Im doing a lot better already. No more all the way down on the scoreboard.
This got nothing to do with PC players using mouse keyboard. A mouse doesn't make your turret turn faster..
I've been thinking about mouse vs. controller lately because I play a lot of Overwatch, and in a game like that it makes sense that the mouse is superior. With a mouse, it becomes second-nature to instinctively know that a position of the physical mouse on the pad equals a position of one's crosshairs on the screen. K&M gamers (which I was one of for a long time back when UT was a thing) have very good motor skills, so they can play a sniper like Widowmaker or Ana with relative ease.
Now consider the controller. To put the crosshairs in a certain position, you have to hold a stick at a particular position for a certain duration of time. The player using the controller has to have both good motor skills and extremely good timing, and I'll argue that humans are much better at the former than the latter.
But with a game like Elite Dangerous, you're not just pointing a reticle at your target like a sniper points a rifle, you are steering a ship that has momentum, so I can't see how a mouse has an advantage over a controller or HOTAS in this regard. I DO see how the HOTAS can outclass the controller, because I have to take my thumb off the stick to tap any surface button. I also lack fine control of the throttle, which is a handicap. However, this imbalance already exists on consoles, so I don't see it an argument against cross-play in a game like Elite.
Now consider the controller. To put the crosshairs in a certain position, you have to hold a stick at a particular position for a certain duration of time. The player using the controller has to have both good motor skills and extremely good timing, and I'll argue that humans are much better at the former than the latter.
But with a game like Elite Dangerous, you're not just pointing a reticle at your target like a sniper points a rifle, you are steering a ship that has momentum, so I can't see how a mouse has an advantage over a controller or HOTAS in this regard. I DO see how the HOTAS can outclass the controller, because I have to take my thumb off the stick to tap any surface button. I also lack fine control of the throttle, which is a handicap. However, this imbalance already exists on consoles, so I don't see it an argument against cross-play in a game like Elite.
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I know a lot of people like to say how a Mouse and Keyboard is superior to a controller... but for what? Competitive FPS?
Since this old man never plays competitively - but only for fun - I use what is the most fun for me! Controller for Elite on all platforms since that's what I started with, and Mouse and Keyboard for RTS games. For FPS, I go back and forth depending on the game.
I agree, but also wonder if this will only happen when Streaming Games is the norm.
But for Streaming gaming to be the norm I think most will need faster internet...?
Since this old man never plays competitively - but only for fun - I use what is the most fun for me! Controller for Elite on all platforms since that's what I started with, and Mouse and Keyboard for RTS games. For FPS, I go back and forth depending on the game.
I agree, but also wonder if this will only happen when Streaming Games is the norm.
But for Streaming gaming to be the norm I think most will need faster internet...?
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My experience with top-tier players is that they are good with every input device.
Those players usually have a different mindset, at least than I do.
Very competitive, min-/maxing a lot.
It's hard to point out the top players in a game like elite anyway as it has much more to offer than PvP.
So who's best? Best combat pilot? Best miner? Trader? Explorer? Or just the player that engineered his ship to the maximum?
Or the one with the highest Cr/h income?
Depends on what you think is important.
The possibilitys of cross play shouldn't be narrowed down to PvP imho.
Even if we would concentrate on PvP the arguments that are dropped in every "griefer" thread count as much on this topic.
The "git guds" so often suggest to move to PG if open is too dangerous.
With the difference that there will be a much bigger PG community.
Imagine a cross platform mobius group! I bet it would be hard to tell the difference in player numbers compared to xbox open now.
And if it still is a problem, a simple "allow cross play" checkbox or a "open crossplay" option added in the menu would sort it out.
Admittedly I don't know if that is possible for Elite, but I doubt that would be unsolvable.
I wonder how the PvP fixation always comes up in such discussions.
For me, and most of the people I play ED with, PvP is the smallest part of the experience.
Those players usually have a different mindset, at least than I do.
Very competitive, min-/maxing a lot.
It's hard to point out the top players in a game like elite anyway as it has much more to offer than PvP.
So who's best? Best combat pilot? Best miner? Trader? Explorer? Or just the player that engineered his ship to the maximum?
Or the one with the highest Cr/h income?
Depends on what you think is important.
The possibilitys of cross play shouldn't be narrowed down to PvP imho.
Even if we would concentrate on PvP the arguments that are dropped in every "griefer" thread count as much on this topic.
The "git guds" so often suggest to move to PG if open is too dangerous.
With the difference that there will be a much bigger PG community.
Imagine a cross platform mobius group! I bet it would be hard to tell the difference in player numbers compared to xbox open now.
And if it still is a problem, a simple "allow cross play" checkbox or a "open crossplay" option added in the menu would sort it out.
Admittedly I don't know if that is possible for Elite, but I doubt that would be unsolvable.
I wonder how the PvP fixation always comes up in such discussions.
For me, and most of the people I play ED with, PvP is the smallest part of the experience.
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Good point my friend...pity the PvP oriented guys might never see that same point of view...
Just thought to confirm the bold and underlined section is 100% inaccurate.
You'll find a good bit of gamers who own both a gaming PC and at least one console...but in terms of using a gamepad on PC, well some games require it so that's also inaccurate.
I had to quote and reply as I'm an early adopter on the xbox one but I've always had a gaming PC and just upgraded both to a new gaming PC and the Xbox One X this year.
*On TOPIC*
-From reading in many different forums, what I've found is not that games should offer cross-play but that customers like the idea of a developer who will allow it. In practical terms, many games should but when thinking of a flight sim or FPS, MMO those games and their interfaces and keybinds often bring up valid points of concern as to why it "should not be offered" widley.
Each game will have its own value towards and against why the developer should or shouldn't offer crossplay.
I would argue strongly this game is one that shouldn't offer it primarily due to the fact of VoIP, and peripherials and keybind limitations/offerings.
A funny observation tho, within a game I use to play a ton of, Elder Scrolls Online.
They have leaderboards and one of the hardest parts of the game that also offers universal scoring for individuals and group PvE content...in each category the group content was mainly even comparing PC to Xbox One for a couple of months.
In the solo PvE content, the Xbox One players had the best scores for over a year compared to PC and PS4...so whats funny is mouse and keyboard aren't better than a gamepad. In this specific example PC also had access to add-ons and UI customizations and extra info never available to Xbox One players in addition to being locked at 20-30 FPS on xbox vs 100+ on PC.
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PC only developed those "accessories" AFTER the game was put into that LONG Beta phase! It is wrong to say this was a development goal from the outset, because ALL the publicity was aimed at promoting playability on BOTH platforms from the start! "Cross-Play" was not the word used, (because it didn't exist yet!) but it WAS SUGGESTED the moment Windows 10 and XBox ONE were announced! It was the ONLY reason I bought into the new XBox platform! ...and had to wait a bloody long time for anything good to play on it! (you have no idea how many weeks were lost to Minecraft! ....lol)
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I think the mouse's fine control while in flight assist off, for aiming at least, should always be better than using a stick or pad.
The rest of the time though, debatable.
Best game for mouse control game I've ever played was Zarch (and that was so many years ago I can't even remember if was on my atari st or amiga
)How does mouse work in ED? I've played games where the distance of the pointer from the center-of-view equals the rate of pitch & yaw, but there are other games where the craft lines up to wherever the pointer is resting. If ED follows the latter, where you put the mouse on an enemy ship and your own ship lines up with the pointer (almost like a simplistic autopilot), then I can definitely see the benefit flying by mouse.
I don't know how it works personally as just on xbox and ps4, but just the fine aim control you should get with a mouse in FA off has to be better for fixed weapons (gimbals wouldn't matter). Even with fixed weps there is a very tiny bit of auto aim going on.
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...elative-mouse-thingy)?highlight=Mouse+control
This thread in DD discussed the M\KB as a control in PvP with some moans and how it should work
I can't fly flight sims with mouse, but I'm handy at air combat on the PS3 with a controller
Braben's Zarch was called Virus on the ST.
Unfortunately for us, profit is king Cmdr Duck
I think the mouse's fine control while in flight assist off, for aiming at least, should always be better than using a stick or pad.
The rest of the time though, debatable.
Best game for mouse control game I've ever played was Zarch (and that was so many years ago I can't even remember if was on my atari st or amiga
Braben's Zarch was called Virus on the ST.
Unfortunately for us, profit is king Cmdr Duck