not really. beyond is not even an expansion. it's debt, it is fullfilment of horizons or even the base game, and such has frontier always implied, plus all the talk about addressing 'core' issues, all this explaining why it was free. that they now label this 3x doesn't change the fact, and doesn't turn it into a season, much less a 'free season'. if this name change is for marketing reasons then that's indeed fishy and braben talking bull doesn't help.
DB interview in Variety.com from E3
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not really. beyond is not even an expansion. it's debt, it is fullfilment of horizons or even the base game, and such has frontier always implied, plus all the talk about addressing 'core' issues, all this explaining why it was free. that they now label this 3x doesn't change the fact, and doesn't turn it into a season, much less a 'free season'. if this name change is for marketing reasons then that's indeed fishy and braben talking bull doesn't help.
Get real mate. Again another statement devoid of any proper reasoning.
No point in discussing anything with you if you are going to be so ridiculous.
You're still not actually contributing anything to the discussion. All that you've done is to either try to suggest that Braben didn't actually made the statements quoted in the interview or state that you "don't care". I sort of have to ask, if you really don't care then why are you even replying to my posts at all?
Thats the thing, neither are you. And you keep misrepresenting what i have said.
"DB is a devilish liar!"
"No, he is pure of heart!"
"Nu-uh!"
"Yes-uh!"
"That makes no sense!"
"You make no sense!"
"Nu-uh!"
"Yes-uh!"
I can read Devari vs Max Factor every day, you two should get your own sticky!
"No, he is pure of heart!"
"Nu-uh!"
"Yes-uh!"
"That makes no sense!"
"You make no sense!"
"Nu-uh!"
"Yes-uh!"
I can read Devari vs Max Factor every day, you two should get your own sticky!
Sorry, you didn't answer my question. Tell me why you are replying to my posts if you "don't care".
You made that statement several times. Now you need to explain it.
"DB is a devilish liar!"
"No, he is pure of heart!"
"Nu-uh!"
"Yes-uh!"
"That makes no sense!"
"You make no sense!"
"Nu-uh!"
"Yes-uh!"
I can read Devari vs Max Factor every day, you two should get your own sticky!
Except that you haven't even read my posts properly. I have actually consistently stated that I don't think it's reasonable to believe that Braben intentionally lied during the interview as his statement can be so easily shown to be false. I already did that in this thread by posting a screenshot from the FD store where Horizons is currently being sold. For money. In their online store. Something that is being sold for money right now is obviously not being given away for "free".
I've also given some very clear examples of Braben being so disconnected from Elite development to the point that not knowing how his own game is being sold is actually the least ridiculous explanation for why he would make that statement.
The only response I've consistently gotten from Max Factor, however, is that he "doesn't care" and yet he somehow can't seem to stop replying to the posts in this thread.
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3. It was a poor choice of words, the majority of expansions have been free. Maybe that's what he wanted to say.
4. The interviewer got something wrong (happens quite regularly).
5. They were actually talking about the base game and this part is missing from the interview.
Just because you ignore these possibilities it doesn't mean they aren't there. That's just as likely / unlikely as a CEO knowing nothing about his product.
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Just because you can suggest various unreasonable possibilities does not mean they should be seriously considered.
So now you're trying to guess at what you think he meant to say because you don't like the obvious consequences of his statement? It's somehow better to take what you "guess" Braben might have "wanted" to say, based on your ability to predict this somehow? And I should take that prediction instead of just reading what he literally said?
Sorry, but no. We have a direct quote from him in the interview.
Again, you're suggesting that the journalist was so incompetent that they managed to completely change the meaning of his statement, despite there being sufficient proofreading to ensure a lack of typos or grammatical errors in the lengthy transcription? Also not reasonable.
The statement is crystal clear. There is no confusion about what he is saying. He managed to make other very specific statements during the interview and yet somehow this is the only one you think that we should ignore?
No, those possibilities are not "just as likely" when we've seen Braben release videos about Elite that have literally nothing to do with the actual game we're currently playing. Why do you think that is? Other than of course the very strong possibility I've described that he does not, in fact, know basic facts about the game we are currently playing.
We already have two far simpler and more likely explanations than what you're suggesting, i.e., he either intentionally lied (which makes no sense but remains a possibility) or he has not remained actively involved in Elite development and therefore does not know how the game is currently being sold (which is more likely and remains consistent with his overall involvement in Elite development).
So now you're trying to guess at what you think he meant to say because you don't like the obvious consequences of his statement? It's somehow better to take what you "guess" Braben might have "wanted" to say, based on your ability to predict this somehow? And I should take that prediction instead of just reading what he literally said?
Sorry, but no. We have a direct quote from him in the interview.
Again, you're suggesting that the journalist was so incompetent that they managed to completely change the meaning of his statement, despite there being sufficient proofreading to ensure a lack of typos or grammatical errors in the lengthy transcription? Also not reasonable.
The statement is crystal clear. There is no confusion about what he is saying. He managed to make other very specific statements during the interview and yet somehow this is the only one you think that we should ignore?
No, those possibilities are not "just as likely" when we've seen Braben release videos about Elite that have literally nothing to do with the actual game we're currently playing. Why do you think that is? Other than of course the very strong possibility I've described that he does not, in fact, know basic facts about the game we are currently playing.
We already have two far simpler and more likely explanations than what you're suggesting, i.e., he either intentionally lied (which makes no sense but remains a possibility) or he has not remained actively involved in Elite development and therefore does not know how the game is currently being sold (which is more likely and remains consistent with his overall involvement in Elite development).
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"DB is a devilish liar!"
"No, he is pure of heart!"
"Nu-uh!"
"Yes-uh!"
"That makes no sense!"
"You make no sense!"
"Nu-uh!"
"Yes-uh!"
I can read Devari vs Max Factor every day, you two should get your own sticky!
Maybe you should read my posts instead of making up silly assumption. I have never said that DB is pure of heart ever in the history of the forums.
And what's even more bizarre is that I have been saying the same stuff as you. So if you think I think like that, you must think the same, but you 're shouting it out to no one in particular I take it.
So not ate you belittling me, you belittle yourself.
Because you misrepresent what I have said and feel the need to correct you.
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I admire Devari's tenacity in this discussion, sadly I can only rep him once.
That said I wouldn't make a great deal out of David's statements, they can talk about flying bananas for all I care, elite is an unfinished product and I still hope to play a spacegame which design doesn't rely on egg timers as primary source of gameplay.
That said I wouldn't make a great deal out of David's statements, they can talk about flying bananas for all I care, elite is an unfinished product and I still hope to play a spacegame which design doesn't rely on egg timers as primary source of gameplay.
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oh god, not again... well, there goes another thread.
Oooh. Maybe read them first before judging. Oh not the forum way is it. Posts like these deserve all the contempt they get.
sigh...
I'm only up to this point in the thread but I would really like to add a little insight into this.
Now I am not disputing the articles accuracy or possible lack thereof, and my experience is in no way reflective of this DB interview, but it's worth saying.
I am not sure if anyone involved in this discussion has ever been interviewed by a major publication before.
I have, I was interviewed by 'Sound on Sound' (The World's Best Recording Technology Magazine.*) back in the 90's.
I was being interviewed because the music venue I worked in was the first to adopt a digital desk for live performances and I was the first to mix live bands on a digital desk (in a professional music venue) at 'The Rock Garden' in Covent garden, London.
Now to the point. I was interviewed, as was the head engineer at the venue (the head engineer didn't actually do any engineering/mixing at the venue.)
When the article came out the only person who was quoted was the head engineer, although 60% (rough estimate) of what was "Quoted" had been said by me and even that was edited down and twisted around to better fit the article. Also some of the things I had said had been used out of context.
The moral of the story here is .. don't believe everything you read as a "Direct quote" as quite often it isn't.
(*self proclaimed)
(*EDIT - they did use my picture though, that was cool
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Yes, sigh indeed. People like to misrepresent what I have said for their own purposes and then I have to try to correct them. It gets very frustrating at times.
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Come to grips man. One year of fleshing out core mechanics doesn't mean LEPers got thrown under the bus. There are going to be premium updates later after the free updates are finished.
Hmmm. Grow up. Act your age. Why should I not correct people who are misrepresenting what I have said. Or should I let people do that. I really do not understand the mentality of people who think it's fine to belittle others.
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