DB interview in Variety.com from E3

[Rafe Zetter]

Free expansions so far:
- Community Goals
- Wings
- Powerplay
- CQC
- Ships
- Passengers
- SLF
- Avatars
- Multicrew
- Aliens
- Trading tools

Stuff that was in the KS and outlined as PART OF NORMAL DEVELOPMENT - so getting them was DELIVERING ON THEM, NOT "GIVING YOU EXTRA"

- Wings (in other words a grouped party) - Standard "MMO play with your friends" requirement.
- Powerplay - as part of the whole "dynamic universe, controlled by the players" as the game was sold under.
- Ships - WOW, just WOW, you're claiming we should be thankful for being given ships as part of a spacegame.
- Passengers - mentioned in dev diaries.
- Avatars - are you seriously trying to claim game avatars as "free expansion" stuff? LMFAO
- Multicrew - see "grouped party".
- Trading tools - an economy without tools to facilitate intelligent trading is a worthless and pointless situtation - tools are ABSOLUTELY MANDATORY.


All of the above are STANDARD ISSUE SPACE SIM or MMO REQUIREMENTS

- CQC - was added for the console crowd and NO OTHER REASON.

That leaves just these as "free expansion stuff", and tbh - the aliens was a foregone conclusion - an "Elite remake" without the Thargoids isn't an Elite remake.
- Community Goals
- SLF
- Aliens

All introduced in "Horizons" - the PAID FOR EXPANSION

So babelfisch the reality is 0 out of 10 (not counting CqC, it's not even IN THE SAME UNIVERSE - and once again you've tried to claim FDev have given us far more than what was already paid for.

You should go into politics alongside DB - you've clearly got a skill for bulldung and over extending the truth... what did that american politician call it? "Alternative reality facts".

 

[Ian Skippy]

Stuff that was in the KS and outlined as PART OF NORMAL DEVELOPMENT - so getting them was DELIVERING ON THEM, NOT "GIVING YOU EXTRA"

- Wings (in other words a grouped party) - Standard "MMO play with your friends" requirement.
- Powerplay - as part of the whole "dynamic universe, controlled by the players" as the game was sold under.
- Ships - WOW, just WOW, you're claiming we should be thankful for being given ships as part of a spacegame.
- Passengers - mentioned in dev diaries.
- Avatars - are you seriously trying to claim game avatars as "free expansion" stuff? LMFAO
- Multicrew - see "grouped party".
- Trading tools - an economy without tools to facilitate intelligent trading is a worthless and pointless situtation - tools are ABSOLUTELY MANDATORY.


All of the above are STANDARD ISSUE SPACE SIM or MMO REQUIREMENTS

- CQC - was added for the console crowd and NO OTHER REASON.

That leaves just these as "free expansion stuff", and tbh - the aliens was a foregone conclusion - an "Elite remake" without the Thargoids isn't an Elite remake.
- Community Goals
- SLF
- Aliens

So babelfisch the reality is 3 out of 11 (not counting CqC, it's not even IN THE SAME UNIVERSE - and once again you've tried to claim FDev have given us far more than what was already paid for.

You should go into politics alongside DB - you've clearly got a skill for bulldung and over extending the truth... what did that american politician call it? "Alternative reality facts".

I think the question is more whether you take everything you get for granted and get upset about everything you want on top or not. That applies to life in general, not just computer games. For example, the game already came with ships. A fair number of them, with great sound, an amazing flight model plus full VR support with modeled bridges and cockpits. Reviews generally praised the ships. Afterwards, they added a crapton more ships for free. Some people appreciate that, are happy and enjoy their time. Other people, like you apparently, just go 'duh I should get more ships because it is a space game, NEXT!' and end up bitter, disappointed and frustrated. Should you be thankful for being given a bunch of free ships in a computer game about ships? Its up to you. Personally, because this game indeed is about flying space ships, getting a lot of extra space ships for free is really cool. They didnt need to do it, did it anyway and it led to more enjoyment for me. But if people want to be angry about it, that is their right.

However, to me, and that is just my opinion of course, your attitude doesnt just seem wrong, it also seems pointless. Just my 2c.

 

[Rafe Zetter]

Some people will say whatever to portray FDev in a bad light. They will jump on anything they can. They will not question thier own logic.

For instance it makes not logical sense for DB to lie, so to me if it makes no logical sense then it is likely wrong. So something has gone wrong with the transcript (the interview would have been copied from a recording), some of it could be missing etc. There could be a whole host of reasons for what we are reading, but people will jump on the most negative they can find no matter how little it makes sense.

it makes no logical sense for him to lie?

Except that clearly no article writer is going to check - so he can say what he likes to look good, and make the company look good.

it's absolutely in his best interest to distort the reality of "all our expansions have been free" so that gamers think people think "hey look a game where I'm not paying over and over and over and over again for DLC's and extra stuffs" because that situation won't at all look attractive to gamers sick of buying a game then having to spend double the amount again for DLC's that should have been in the game anyway -

I mean seriously - look at the situation regarding Deux Ex Human revolution (or whtever its called) where they made the BLOODY GAME ENDING part of a DLC pack. You had to PAY EXTRA to get the end of the game.

Gamers are sick and tired of that kind of bulldung - so DB claiming "all expansions are free" is a marketing statement that has no basis in fact.

Babelfisch tried to claim 11 things were "free expansion stuff" and I proved that all but 3 of them were KS outlined content - CqC isn't even part of the game universe and the other 3 were part of Horizons... you know, that expansion people PAID FOR.

I listed all the free expansions above.

And I counterclaimed every single one.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

it makes no logical sense for him to lie?

Except that clearly no article writer is going to check - so he can say what he likes to look good, and make the company look good.

it's absolutely in his best interest to distort the reality of "all our expansions have been free" so that gamers think people think "hey look a game where I'm not paying over and over and over and over again for DLC's and extra stuffs" because that situation won't at all look attractive to gamers sick of buying a game then having to spend double the amount again for DLC's that should have been in the game anyway -

I mean seriously - look at the situation regarding Deux Ex Human revolution (or whtever its called) where they made the BLOODY GAME ENDING part of a DLC pack. You had to PAY EXTRA to get the end of the game.

Gamers are sick and tired of that kind of bulldung - so DB claiming "all expansions are free" is a marketing statement that has no basis in fact.

Babelfisch tried to claim 11 things were "free expansion stuff" and I proved that all but 3 of them were KS outlined content - CqC isn't even part of the game universe and the other 3 were part of Horizons... you know, that expansion people PAID FOR.



And I counterclaimed every single one.

No but the people who read it will likely know or when they go and buy the game will find out. They won't by the game.

No it makes no sense and makes no marketing sense either.

Please use your brain.

 

[Deleted member 110222]

it makes no logical sense for him to lie?

Except that clearly no article writer is going to check - so he can say what he likes to look good, and make the company look good.

it's absolutely in his best interest to distort the reality of "all our expansions have been free" so that gamers think people think "hey look a game where I'm not paying over and over and over and over again for DLC's and extra stuffs" because that situation won't at all look attractive to gamers sick of buying a game then having to spend double the amount again for DLC's that should have been in the game anyway -

I mean seriously - look at the situation regarding Deux Ex Human revolution (or whtever its called) where they made the BLOODY GAME ENDING part of a DLC pack. You had to PAY EXTRA to get the end of the game.

Gamers are sick and tired of that kind of bulldung - so DB claiming "all expansions are free" is a marketing statement that has no basis in fact.

Babelfisch tried to claim 11 things were "free expansion stuff" and I proved that all but 3 of them were KS outlined content - CqC isn't even part of the game universe and the other 3 were part of Horizons... you know, that expansion people PAID FOR.



And I counterclaimed every single one.

I'm just letting you know that my Gamertag is still Jeff Jameson. XD

You might want to add me to your ignore list.

 

[Rafe Zetter]

I think the question is more whether you take everything you get for granted and get upset about everything you want on top or not. That applies to life in general, not just computer games. For example, the game already came with ships. A fair number of them, with great sound, an amazing flight model plus full VR support with modeled bridges and cockpits. Reviews generally praised the ships. Afterwards, they added a crapton more ships for free. Some people appreciate that, are happy and enjoy their time. Other people, like you apparently, just go 'duh I should get more ships because it is a space game, NEXT!' and end up bitter, disappointed and frustrated. Should you be thankful for being given a bunch of free ships in a computer game about ships? Its up to you. Personally, because this game indeed is about flying space ships, getting a lot of extra space ships for free is really cool. They didnt need to do it, did it anyway and it led to more enjoyment for me. But if people want to be angry about it, that is their right.

However, to me, and that is just my opinion of course, your attitude doesnt just seem wrong, it also seems pointless. Just my 2c.

Ok I'll give you tht Sleut - ships.... they added a few extra ships... to a game that had what - 10? But just to add context, all were combat orientated, no mining or trading specfific ships and the Panther Clipper - nowhere to be seen, presumably lost in a black hole someplace.

 

[DeathStroke]

Bare-faced cheek of the man claiming that 'our expansions have been free' ; did I imagine them charging for horizons then?

And related to this do LEP owners now get a refund as apparently they were charged for something that is free according to David?

I wanted to reach through my screen and slap the man for that bald faced lie.

Isn't that just astonishingly good value for money? 6 weeks in-game for £140 quid.

Of that ~ 1000 hours, how many were spent staring at loading screens? How many spent counting down time in supercruise? How many spent WATCHING NETFLIX because what you're doing is mind numbingly boring?
If you took out all the time sinks, I think I'd have about 5-10 hours in the game. Having spent ~$140 on the game and add-ons, that is the single worst game value of any game I have ever bought... By a factor of 10...

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

I wanted to reach through my screen and slap the man for that bald faced lie.



Of that ~ 1000 hours, how many were spent staring at loading screens? How many spent counting down time in supercruise? How many spent WATCHING NETFLIX because what you're doing is mind numbingly boring?
If you took out all the time sinks, I think I'd have about 5-10 hours in the game. Having spent ~$140 on the game and add-ons, that is the single worst game value of any game I have ever bought... By a factor of 10...

Dont know how anyone watches netflix in this game.

Always something to be done apart from the 20seconds for the hyperjumps.

 

[Rafe Zetter]

No but the people who read it will likely know or when they go and buy the game will find out. They won't by the game.

No it makes no sense and makes no marketing sense either.

Please use your brain.

Only those that go to buy the game will find out the reality - everyone else might read it and think "ooh Sir DB, what a nice man, making all his expansions free during a time when all the other gaming companies are trying to wring blood out of all thier customers with endless DLC's - Sir DB is such a nice generous man for doing that, Frontier Developments must be a great company, after all its being run by a "Sir"."

Nope, no marketing value of any kind whatsoever - but maybe you can't see it because you've not understood that there are people out there that WILL beleive the bulldung he's stating.

The magazine Variety is read by a much larger audience than just gamers, 12.5 MILLION per month - try this on for size pal: https://variety.com/2016/biz/news/variety-com-most-read-entertainment-news-website-1201757582/

Politicians thrive on it - even in the face of proven reality - what makes you think DB is any different? Better yet let me quote you Ian Bell "do not expect DB to treat you fairly or tell the truth".

 

[Lightspeed]

I wanted to reach through my screen and slap the man for that bald faced lie.



Of that ~ 1000 hours, how many were spent staring at loading screens? How many spent counting down time in supercruise? How many spent WATCHING NETFLIX because what you're doing is mind numbingly boring?
If you took out all the time sinks, I think I'd have about 5-10 hours in the game. Having spent ~$140 on the game and add-ons, that is the single worst game value of any game I have ever bought... By a factor of 10...

What are you complaining about? Every ship has an "I win" button under the front seat. I thought everyone knew that?

 

[Deleted member 110222]

What are you complaining about? Every ship has an "I win" button under the front seat. I thought everyone knew that?

It's why I never die.

CMDR Jeff Jameson

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

Only those that go to buy the game will find out the reality - everyone else might read it and think "ooh Sir DB, what a nice man, making all his expansions free during a time when all the other gaming companies are trying to wring blood out of all thier customers with endless DLC's - Sir DB is such a nice generous man for doing that, Frontier Developments must be a great company, after all its being run by a "Sir"."

Nope, no marketing value of any kind whatsoever - but maybe you can't see it because you've not understood that there are people out there that WILL beleive the bulldung he's stating.

The magazine Variety is read by a much larger audience than just gamers, 12.5 MILLION per month - try this on for size pal: https://variety.com/2016/biz/news/variety-com-most-read-entertainment-news-website-1201757582/

Politicians thrive on it - even in the face of proven reality - what makes you think DB is any different? Better yet let me quote you Ian Bell "do not expect DB to treat you fairly or tell the truth".

The idea of marketing is to go and get people to buy your product, in that case it is Elite Dangerous.

But Okay, there are people that believe it, but have no wish to buy any products. So what purpose are those people for. You know what, they have no purpose what so ever.

I know exactly what your are trying to say, but it makes no sense.

As to politicians, well that is a completely different ball game and you cannot compare the two.

 

[Deleted member 110222]

Stuff that was in the KS and outlined as PART OF NORMAL DEVELOPMENT - so getting them was DELIVERING ON THEM, NOT "GIVING YOU EXTRA"

- Wings (in other words a grouped party) - Standard "MMO play with your friends" requirement.
- Powerplay - as part of the whole "dynamic universe, controlled by the players" as the game was sold under.
- Ships - WOW, just WOW, you're claiming we should be thankful for being given ships as part of a spacegame.
- Passengers - mentioned in dev diaries.
- Avatars - are you seriously trying to claim game avatars as "free expansion" stuff? LMFAO
- Multicrew - see "grouped party".
- Trading tools - an economy without tools to facilitate intelligent trading is a worthless and pointless situtation - tools are ABSOLUTELY MANDATORY.


All of the above are STANDARD ISSUE SPACE SIM or MMO REQUIREMENTS

- CQC - was added for the console crowd and NO OTHER REASON.

That leaves just these as "free expansion stuff", and tbh - the aliens was a foregone conclusion - an "Elite remake" without the Thargoids isn't an Elite remake.
- Community Goals
- SLF
- Aliens

All introduced in "Horizons" - the PAID FOR EXPANSION

So babelfisch the reality is 0 out of 10 (not counting CqC, it's not even IN THE SAME UNIVERSE - and once again you've tried to claim FDev have given us far more than what was already paid for.

You should go into politics alongside DB - you've clearly got a skill for bulldung and over extending the truth... what did that american politician call it? "Alternative reality facts".

CQC is not just for consoles.

It's just as dead on Xbox as on PC.

 

[Lori Jameson]

It's why I never die.

CMDR Jeff Jameson

Wonder if the LEP peeps are still mad about Beyond being free and the Jameson tag being available to anyone 10$ on Xbox?

 

[Genus]

Wonder if the LEP peeps are still mad about Beyond being free and the Jameson tag being available to anyone 10$ on Xbox?

Speaking for myself, not really. I'm just waiting to cash it in at Christmas unless the game get's the love it needs across the board.

The Jameson tags are way off my radar. File under "I could care less" and yet another flip-flop from the FD Finance Department.

Beyond being free was a rational move from FD due to the incompetence leading up to the decision, to mitigate feeling that things had been devalued. One wonders if this approach will continue post Beyond, and that LEP's will be refunded automatically due to the continuation of aforementioned incompetence in design and delivery, and the change of roadmap strategy since marketing them.

I never did mind about the little things...

Christmas is coming, we'll finally know the intention for the game at that point. LEP owners will be able to decide accordingly based on actual information, replacing the absence of it until that point.

 

[Darty]

Anyone claiming that the quote is somehow misinterpreted by the journalist, you do realize this is a transcription of the conversation, right? The journalists didn't rewrite or rephrase what braben was saying, they just wrote it down. The only thing that was lost in translation was body language and annunciation. Unless braben was jumping up and down, waving his crossed fingers and shaking his head while he said "Our expansions have been free, and the things you pay for are just vanity items, which in a multiplayer game just makes sense," there's no possible "translation" that would not contradict reality.

Seriously, trying to claim that an English conversation transcribed in English somehow was mistranslated to mean the exact opposite of what was actually said, is preposterous. You Are Grasping At Straws.

 

[Cosmo]

TLDR did he say anything new?

 

[Genus]

TLDR did he say anything new?

Nah, everything's fine, nothing to see here...move along.

It's all brilliant, and JPE will be a great success too.

 

[Stealthie]

This topic is an excellent example of why DB is willing to talk to pretty much everyone, including reddit, except for this pathetic excuse of a community. [haha]

Because the people in this "pathetic excuse of a community" want to know about things like why the Galmap still causes CTDs 3 months after the bug first appeared?

 

[Sebastian Rooks]

Jesus, people. My breakfast cost more than Elite.

I'm kinda po.' The next time you have your lobster bisque and truffles shipped from Paris, let me know.

Rooks o7