Dear Mr Braben - I will spend $100 more if you add a functional external view.

I'd love to be able to hit "record" and have a file created that contained what was necessary to re-render the sequence later. Maybe with randomly-changing camera angles. So you could be in your cockpit doing all the hard stuff in real time, then later enjoy your triumph (or disaster) at leisure from an external POV.

Edit: and I'd pay AUD100 for it.
 
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that. sounds. awesome!

I have purchased several skins for some of my ships, because I love taking selfies in front of some of the more scenic galactic views, but I would probably pee my pants if I could watch my ship land from the docking tower.
 
I'd love to be able to hit "record" and have a file created that contained what was necessary to re-render the sequence later. Maybe with randomly-changing camera angles. So you could be in your cockpit doing all the hard stuff in real time, then later enjoy your triumph (or disaster) at leisure from an external POV.

Edit: and I'd pay AUD100 for it.

Best suggestion along these lines I've heard. Lots of games already have that "instant replay" thing - and it could easily be done in a way that doesn't kill the immersion factor.
 
Has DCS, Falcon4, now even SC .. every fricken sim out there hell even Xplane has exterior views and NOBODY has every complained about it.

Even ARMA has them and if you have a strict server they'll disable the 3rd person views. If you don't want the views DONT USE THEM.

Now this isn't a debate about it. Its been decided by people overwhelmingly that they want it. Many times over ...

The only way we'll convince them to put it in is with a carrot and I'm willing to pay. So are others. I am 100% convinced their paintjob sales will go up astronomically if they did add them.

Unfortunately there's a large, or at least vocal, segment of of the population here on the forum who have the mindset that if something wasn't in the original, or doesn't fit *their* view of what the game should be, then they don't even want to hear about it, and come up with some of the most ridiculous and ignorant reasons not to add a feature to the game which will most definitely enhance it, or contrive such inane limitations on its implementation that would render it an utter waste of everybodys' time.

I too have spent many hours in combat simulators like DCS & BMS, and thoroughly enjoyed the external camera functionality in those games. And cannot ever think that I've ever experienced any kind of advantage over another player because of them. What I *have* been able to do is admire my aircraft and the scenery around it, and easily take some very nice screenshots and videos.

Elite Dangerous is one of the most stunningly beautiful games I have ever played. That we don't have the tools to take full advantage of that, that various content creators can use to easily create interesting, entertaining and exciting videos of the game as free marketing for it, is ridiculously short-sighted. Ralfidude is a well known Youtuber, who typically makes videos about DCS, though he also creates videos on other titles too, including our own Elite Dangerous. His videos are directly responsible for my becoming interested in, and subsequently spending several hundred dollars on, DCS World and its various modules, and I am most definitely not the only one this is true for. How many more players will be attracted to, and will spend money on, this game, if people such as Ralfidude could more easily make content for it?
 
Unfortunately there's a large, or at least vocal, segment of of the population here on the forum who have the mindset that if something wasn't in the original, or doesn't fit *their* view of what the game should be, then they don't even want to hear about it, and come up with some of the most ridiculous and ignorant reasons not to add a feature to the game which will most definitely enhance it, or contrive such inane limitations on its implementation that would render it an utter waste of everybodys' time.

Unfortunately this is not a democracy, you're not an FDev majority shareholder or senior dev, and games designed by committee are the WORST games around... so the ONLY opinions that matter are those of DBOBE's and the senior devs. Sure, promote your ideas all you like and if they are "on the fence" about them public opinion may sway them slightly but if your idea goes strongly against their "vision" you've got Buckley's chance, as history has proven. It doesn't matter whether you agree or disagree with their vision, because it's THEIR vision and THEIR game.
 
I have a lifetime pass. I want to spend more money but right now there is no reason to.
This is hereby my promise that if there is a decent external view system put into place I will spend $100 of my cash in your store on paint jobs etc.
Will any of you also pledge?
I've only purchased a couple mainly because it is useless. I can't admire my ship in action in any way in different environments without a well known tedious debug camera. All of the best sims out there since the dawn of time have allowed for it and it is clearly missing from the game.
There has been many posts asking for it. Many more than people against it. There has been a dev who's stated they'd like to rip out the debug camera and put something real in.
Those of us with lifetime passes don't need to spend any more money going forward and I have no inclination to for cosmetic reasons if I have no means to enjoy them. If you removed that barrier I'd be happy to spend more.
Please make it your priority by the end of the year.
1) An orbit camera as most games have where you use the number pad to orbit around your ships. Even track IR can be used for this (Like in Arma 3)
2) A landing camera you can toggle only when you are using a docking computer. (From the tower to your ship)
3) External Station view of your ship.
4) View of your SRV from your landed ship.
I'll be happy with just those.
Thanks and keep up the great work.
IF ANYONE ELSE would like to pledge an amount - please do in this thread!

Would love extra camera views...I have always had huge difficulties working the debug cam. I know I must be a slow learner because I've seen other commanders work it with ease but for me...

Another idea...how about we can buy little camera probe from a station that you could shoot out from your ship. You can control it up to a couple of km away from your ship and then call it back and have it redock. That way I could get those beautiful long-shots I have always craved but the debug cam stops before I can get too far away!

Frawd
 
You'll notice, if you read what I said, that I expressed a view on the forum population, not the devs. And given that Mike Evans,at least, has supported redesigning the external camera view currently available to be something far more useful, you may find THEIR vision is not as dissimilar from what many people have asked for as you might think. There are bigger priorities than tweaking the external camera - give me my space legs, and meaningful things to do on planetary surfaces, for example - and if the devs never get around to doing it? Well, that's a pity, but no big deal.

The blinkered and ignorant mindset, in so many ways, of so many people here? Now that offends me.
 
You'll notice, if you read what I said, that I expressed a view on the forum population, not the devs. And given that Mike Evans,at least, has supported redesigning the external camera view currently available to be something far more useful, you may find THEIR vision is not as dissimilar from what many people have asked for as you might think. There are bigger priorities than tweaking the external camera - give me my space legs, and meaningful things to do on planetary surfaces, for example - and if the devs never get around to doing it? Well, that's a pity, but no big deal.

The blinkered and ignorant mindset, in so many ways, of so many people here? Now that offends me.

You'll notice if you read what I said that I pointed out that your opinion of what you think other people believe is completely irrelevant because you're not a shareholder or dev. You imply that somehow other people "unfairly" disagreeing with you is preventing you from getting something you think you "deserve", when the reality is that what you want is at odds with what FDev want, and the fact that about half the players agree with FDev is also irrelevant.

This is NOT a democracy so you don't get to vote on what FDev do with their game, and you're NEITHER a senior dev NOR a majority shareholder so you don't get to demand that they change horse mid stream just coz you want it that way.

[edit] Oh, and you're offended coz people disagree with you? So what? Be a big boy and deal with it.
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... now, now, lets not be hasty....
I can make some very good still frame videos using a Google app and screen shots... 3 seconds at a time.... string 24 together for a one minute.
actually its quite nostalgic, a bit like going back in photography and motion picture development... see a subject, plan a shot, develop a short bit...
but I am seriously digressing.

$300 if the fish tank has a diver in it...

This thread has some excellent talking points in it.




$400 if your CMDR can actually drown themselves in the fish tank.
 
Unfortunately there's a large, or at least vocal, segment of of the population here on the forum who have the mindset that if something wasn't in the original, or doesn't fit *their* view of what the game should be, then they don't even want to hear about it, and come up with some of the most ridiculous and ignorant reasons not to add a feature to the game which will most definitely enhance it, or contrive such inane limitations on its implementation that would render it an utter waste of everybodys' time.

I too have spent many hours in combat simulators like DCS & BMS, and thoroughly enjoyed the external camera functionality in those games. And cannot ever think that I've ever experienced any kind of advantage over another player because of them. What I *have* been able to do is admire my aircraft and the scenery around it, and easily take some very nice screenshots and videos.

Elite Dangerous is one of the most stunningly beautiful games I have ever played. That we don't have the tools to take full advantage of that, that various content creators can use to easily create interesting, entertaining and exciting videos of the game as free marketing for it, is ridiculously short-sighted. Ralfidude is a well known Youtuber, who typically makes videos about DCS, though he also creates videos on other titles too, including our own Elite Dangerous. His videos are directly responsible for my becoming interested in, and subsequently spending several hundred dollars on, DCS World and its various modules, and I am most definitely not the only one this is true for. How many more players will be attracted to, and will spend money on, this game, if people such as Ralfidude could more easily make content for it?

I couldn't have said it any better. Rep for you.

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I'd love to be able to hit "record" and have a file created that contained what was necessary to re-render the sequence later. Maybe with randomly-changing camera angles. So you could be in your cockpit doing all the hard stuff in real time, then later enjoy your triumph (or disaster) at leisure from an external POV.

Edit: and I'd pay AUD100 for it.

I think we are onto something. Thanks fellow commodore lover :)
 
Isn't that what we have head tracking for now? It would be useful however for those of you who don't have head tracking.

Exactly. I have TrackIR, but I can remember not having TrackIR. :)

*Edit* And all the rep to BacchusZA for talking sense in the thread. And a call for the return of negative rep for a longstanding forum member...
 
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You'll notice, if you read what I said, that I expressed a view on the forum population, not the devs. And given that Mike Evans,at least, has supported redesigning the external camera view currently available to be something far more useful, you may find THEIR vision is not as dissimilar from what many people have asked for as you might think. There are bigger priorities than tweaking the external camera - give me my space legs, and meaningful things to do on planetary surfaces, for example - and if the devs never get around to doing it? Well, that's a pity, but no big deal.

The blinkered and ignorant mindset, in so many ways, of so many people here? Now that offends me.

What I'd like to know is this.

How is it NOT important to put in a small system that:

1) Leverages the artistic work already done in the game.
2) Provides a platform for players to promote your work via youtube videos, screen shots etc
3) Increases revenue.
4) Would take very little time to do.
5) Increases player satisfaction in the game

??

The ignorant mindset of so many people here are basically wanting to PREVENT other people from enjoying the game. Imposing their vision on other people when it is clear the majority want an external view.

Yes it is a pilot experience and all the piloting I will be doing will be in the seat of the cockpit. There will be no 3rd person camera to use in combat that would give any sort of advantage. We want the ability to admire your work. Why would IGNORANT people want to PREVENT others from what they want?
 
I would pledge, just not $100. I would drop another $10 or so. I'm about to drop $60 on Horizons and ship skins to help support Frontier and the great effort they have made into making a terrific simulator.
 
Citation needed. :) (otherwise it is mere speculation.... ;))

There's an awful lot of that in this thread... including the idea that "ignorant" people who don't agree with the OP somehow have the power to "deny" them having what they want, and that if it weren't for those "ignorant" people they would have it despite what FDev feels on the subject. :)
 
This would be good for machinima (player-made videos and storytelling). You can't control your ship while using those cams so it doesn't affect combat.
 
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The ignorant mindset of so many people here are basically wanting to PREVENT other people from enjoying the game. Imposing their vision on other people when it is clear the majority want an external view.

The "ignorant mindset" started when you thought making a thread "I will spend $100 more if <demands>" would be taken seriously by FD.

If FD want to make the camera better they will; nothing against it and making your voice heard so they know others want it is a great thing to do but everything about your approach / attitude is wrong.

Hence my first post and repeated for everything you said since in this thread:

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Counter bid! - I will pay David Braben $200 if he removes the external camera forever, and adds a fishtank to our ships!

What I want is a little obedient captive Thargoid that fetches drinks and snacks from the fridge and brings them to the pilot, and cup holders of course.
 
What I want is a little obedient captive Thargoid that fetches drinks and snacks from the fridge and brings them to the pilot, and cup holders of course.

Much better - minions running about the ship taking care of things so when you bring your slaves *cough* I mean high paying customers on board for an extended voyage out to the black-n-back they can be well tended to. Love the cut of your jib sir !
 
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