Not too sure what you're talking about, I've never been interested in achievements. Just pointing out that the activities to unlock engineers are normal in-game activities, and it would be weird to take issue with one but not the other.
Despite Enginner 'improvements', unlocking engineers is still a pain...
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Yes, they are. I actually like that about it. You just do some stuff you perhaps didn't do before and also get an engineer unlock for that. Of course there's stuff people don't like to do because it doesn't fit their game style, and those either do it anyway or do not get access to that specific engineer.
I am not a combat pilot and have no reason to engage in wars, which is why I don't collect combat bonds. Means I will not unlock the engineers associated with those unless I go and fight anyway.
Can't have everything I guess.
Sure, it could be mine... if I were the one asking FD to remove the actual "game" from the game.
Alas, I'm not.
I don't expect to just visit the engineers in one location and have them immediately unlocked for me so I can up and modify modules as I please.
I actually expect to have to work for things in this game- as I would any game. Otherwise, I'd just pop on a good movie and watch it instead.
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Hehe...
Came here to see if there was any news regarding 3.0 release, and I see the "Shill Handbook" is still heavily in use:
OP (correctly) points out the TEDIOUSNESS involved in the 100% pure time sink unlock conditions.
The shills, having zero actual, logical defense of this pointless drudgery, default to their usual strawman: "Well, its NOT HARD."
Yeah. No kidding. And its NEVER BEEN hard. Nor did the OP claim it was. The OP pointed out (correctly) that it is TEDIOUS.
Either refute THAT POINT...or go away.
So...staring at menus and loading screens for hours constitutes working for a reward exactly...how...again?
Standards this low are the reason we cannot get actual GAME PLAY beyond flight and combat.
Came here to see if there was any news regarding 3.0 release, and I see the "Shill Handbook" is still heavily in use:
OP (correctly) points out the TEDIOUSNESS involved in the 100% pure time sink unlock conditions.
The shills, having zero actual, logical defense of this pointless drudgery, default to their usual strawman: "Well, its NOT HARD."
Yeah. No kidding. And its NEVER BEEN hard. Nor did the OP claim it was. The OP pointed out (correctly) that it is TEDIOUS.
Either refute THAT POINT...or go away.
So...staring at menus and loading screens for hours constitutes working for a reward exactly...how...again?
Standards this low are the reason we cannot get actual GAME PLAY beyond flight and combat.
Make me. And the last time I checked... shills are compensated in some way.
Apparently I must have missed that part when I signed my "shill contract" with FD... hmm...\
Hey FD!!!! We need to talk!!! I didn't even get a gold star or a lousy t-shirt for being a shill!!!
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Appreciating that the different game systems are incentivized isn't "low standards".
Unlocking engineers just involves interacting with the core gameplay loops of the game.
If you don't like interacting with the core gameplay loops of the game, you could
a) wait for all of them to change (they won't),
b) play something else?
The entire game is a 100% pure time sink unlock.
Unlocking engineers just involves interacting with the core gameplay loops of the game.
If you don't like interacting with the core gameplay loops of the game, you could
a) wait for all of them to change (they won't),
b) play something else?
The entire game is a 100% pure time sink unlock.
Yea, it's tedious, but it seems clear that is the point of the entire thing. As long as people think that tedious requirements are worthwhile "challenges", I'm afraid it's going to stay the same.
Though, let's be clear, there should be requirements, but it could be less tedious with simple things such as letting us go ahead and grab those 50 Kamitra Cigars all at once.
Though, let's be clear, there should be requirements, but it could be less tedious with simple things such as letting us go ahead and grab those 50 Kamitra Cigars all at once.
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Its ONLY tedious if you simultaneously fulfill TWO conditions...RACING to unlock/rank up ALL the Engineers AS QUICKLY as POSSIBLE...AND at the same time disliking the activities required for the Unlocks...be it...Trade/Mining/Exploration/Combat or Mission running...
As has been pointed out umpteen million times...it wasn't designed for players to have G5 module access to all/most Engineers within a short time frame...they were supposed to be acquired gradually...(and as part of normal game-play therefore NO tedium) if min/maxers choose to go against that original intent by unlocking ALL the ENGINEERs quickly...EVEN those whose unlock requirements are activities they find TEDIOUS - it seems churlish to complain that "its boring"
Well, what would be a good way of unlocking them? as any and all tasks for npc's could be considered hoop jumping as you call it.
I am genuinely curious, because there's always going to be people unhappy with how x is done, and there really isn't any way to appease everyone.
Also note, "Play the game your way" seems often misunderstood, because 'play the game your way' includes, 'the game' of which they designed, so you play, your way in what they have designed, if they haven't designed something a way you like or enjoy, then that's also part of play it your way, you can choose not to do those tasks if you do not like them, missing out on something or not participating in something because you do not like it, is your choice, 'play it your way' does not mean that you, for example don't want to mine, you still get the same benefits miners can get and so on.
And no this isn't defending Frontier, this is just a clarification on a topic that many seem to misunderstand.
No, it's tedious all the time. There's never one point where it is interesting or fun to grab 4 of a rare good at a time in your Cutter to open a gate to upgrades. The work can be there, forget that part, it's the fact that it doesn't need to be tedious.
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Apparently I must have missed that part when I signed my "shill contract" with FD... hmm...\
Hey FD!!!! We need to talk!!! I didn't even get a gold star or a lousy t-shirt for being a shill!!!
Hehe, it never stops being surprising to see some of the special members here being so fundamentally unable to grasp that people may honestly have a different opinion.
I'm sure extending the amount of time it takes to get through the process will be the ticket. Wish I would have thought of that. I'll start tomorrow, right after I delete my save.
Don't suicide; that's a waste of valuable exploration data. Fly back via a different route... You might actually enjoy it!5000 ly then a suicide back? Walk in the park. You might actually enjoy it
I've only unlocked 4 engineers and 1 was just to unlock another (Palin). You are quite correct: Patience is key.
If you register on EDSM you can earn badges to indicate your progress. (I've earned a bunch and it's useful for finding new goals.) If you run a program like EDMC, your data will be automatically uploaded.
https://www.edsm.net/
https://github.com/Marginal/EDMarketConnector/wiki
Very true. Also, if you find ED is becoming tedious, it's probably time to take a break and play some other game for a week or two. I find that rekindles my interest in this game.
I tried the new engineering system in beta; it's actually not bad, if a bit grindy.
Ive been playing since 2014 and i havent engineered anything as of yet and glad i didnt with the new engineer system coming out
It is very much possible. Defending against PvP in Open when flying a PvE ship is not dependent on engineers as the goal is to prevent being in normal space with an attacker in the first place. Engineers is a fun option, but for anyone not interested in PvP or the deepest fringe exploration completely optional.
Still, more interesting unlock mechanisms would be fun for new players IMHO. More missions, with risk and danger, and less 'schlepp stuff back and forth for a bunch of times'. Its really just FedEx questing, which is generally considered a bit of a no-no in MMOs.
All of it saves time. An engineered distributor and mining lasers lets you mine faster. An engineered FSD lets you trade and explore faster. Engineered thrusters and guns let you kill faster. Engineered shields are going to reduce the chances of taking damage in a fight, avoiding a repair trip and saving time.
In a game that is an infinite treadmill of grind, acquiring these small timesaving bonuses racks up quickly.
I’ve never really understood the hostility directed towards the engineer system. I agree that it’s rarely compelling gameplay and warranted improvement, but I’ve always managed to unlock an engineer relatively quickly and without too much frustration.
Even the effort required to collect materials is often exaggerated in my view. Once you know where to look you can find most things within 30 minutes or so. The main issue is the lack of sufficient clues in-game.
I find the process of optimising my ships very satisfying though, so perhaps I’m biased.
Even the effort required to collect materials is often exaggerated in my view. Once you know where to look you can find most things within 30 minutes or so. The main issue is the lack of sufficient clues in-game.
I find the process of optimising my ships very satisfying though, so perhaps I’m biased.