"Development Level >>"? Figuring out what all these numbers do.
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they mentioned feature only - not the logic behind it (obviously there isn´t much)Feature complete - my donkey
The economy of my system is now completely broken
My squadron and I spent several dozen hours to set up the economy. My station produced steel and other metals for the surrounding systems. The station changed its economy type without any control. Now it is completely useless and all our work is worthless. This update brings nothing but...
Logging this post as a case where a previously working refinery economy (Coriolis) went sideways when the icy body with atmo it was orbiting suddenly had planetary influence.
so, here are the results - Scientific-Outpost; small Mil Settlement, Icy-Moon, no Atmo, 14,3% Phosphorusjust for testing (and chaining
Stats
"StationEconomy":"$economy_HighTech;", "StationEconomy_Localised":"High Tech", "StationEconomies":[ { "Name":"$economy_HighTech;", "Name_Localised":"High Tech", "Proportion":1.150000 }
Interestingly, besides of the obvious HighTec stuff, the Market also offer two Refinery-Products in reasonable amounts - Agri-Treatment and Pesticides... (or are that Ind-goods?)
So far no surprise, except that the initial eco-strenght also seems to vary - yestrdays Science-Outpost (orbiting the Star) had HighTec 1.0 only....
Seems that building around a Planet/Moon adds that 0.15 already.
To test influence of Icy-Body on a pre-determined eco, I´ll put a small Military-Settlement on the ground (no Atmo, 14,3% Phosphorus).
Col 285 Sector LO-F c12-9 A3b
"StationEconomy":"$economy_HighTech;", "StationEconomy_Localised":"High Tech", "StationEconomies":[ { "Name":"$economy_HighTech;", "Name_Localised":"High Tech", "Proportion":1.150000 }, { "Name":"$economy_Military;", "Name_Localised":"Military", "Proportion":0.150000 }
in Eco NO visible influence of pre-determination by body orbited.
NO significant changes in Market-Profile either (neither Commodities available nor quantity)
You'd think that, except the stats don't indicate that. One has a space farm prereq, the other has an agri settlement prereq,... but neither do max pop on the tin.
They both do standard of living and development level though, at the expense of security, so they're both seemingly "growth" related.
I feel like we're missing a trick when it comes to growing population still...
They're both normal high-tech goods too, so that would be expected.
Interesting that the planet didn't seem to influence it at all, but the military settlement did slightly.
well, depends on POV.
Tactically - if the Thargs return - it makes sense - they would have to dig through a lot of garbage first
OK so I have a 4 slot ice planet. It has 3 refinery hubs and a t3 surface port. All built before this update. So I'm probably safe that this will stay refinery econ as I can't build anything on the planet now.
My question is, if I build a port in slot 0 (it has one orbital slot) will that change the T3 economy? I expect it will not, but it will pick up the industrial econ influence so I need to wait for this bus fix before I build it right?
My question is, if I build a port in slot 0 (it has one orbital slot) will that change the T3 economy? I expect it will not, but it will pick up the industrial econ influence so I need to wait for this bus fix before I build it right?
I´d wait if you want to be sure of the outcome....
Which tool is this snapped from? I'm the screen shot, do mind if I ask?
Also as a summary of other's work I think we're looking at this at the moment right:
Icy = industrial
HMC = extraction
WW = Tourism
Rocky = refinery
EWL = a bunch of economies? (Tourism + Agri seen.)
Star = ??? (high tech?)
Gas Giant = Service (contraband)
Agi is added (does not override the economy above) for atmosphere worlds with phosphorous over 8-10%
Is that right?
That definitely feels like a "let someone else try that first" situation unless you really don't mind if the T3 switches to Industrial/Refinery.
I do and don't? Just it's the last slot so if dev ever tweak or roll back I can't force a recalc if I fill it. It's a test system anyway, not intended for anything specific. I don't think we'll learn anything by my building it so may as well leave it for now.
And I'm not sure about agri and Phosphorous, I think it might be smth much more simple, like the presence of bio signals.
The way in which the economy of a station is determined is different (and has been since the original 4.1 release) for core systems and colonised ones. Though the core system way is "it is what Frontier says it is" which obviously wouldn't have scaled.
The production once that economy is set seems - multiple economies with the name Service aside - to be identical between the two still.
Thick atmosphere planets can give agri influence, though, and any bio signals on those must be assumed ones rather than real ones.
Perhaps the more effective angle at this stage would be to look at which atmospheric planets aren't giving agri influence despite a recent qualifying construction? It seems like at least most of them are.
I'll have to see if I can find a spot to try that, but it would make Agri very very hard, also it would indicate this is NOT an update intended for only the non landable planets, gone wrong, as the bio signals are on landable planets aren't they? So agri would also be semi Odyssey only, I guess Horizons can still build over the bio signal but they can't detect it can they?
But this is as well as the planet's 'normal' econ influence ie icy = industry right?
What's a wrecked system mean? I think that's a pretty subjective thing in this context... like... I'm puposefilly making some thematic systems... like all- military and such... sure a couple may now get some hybrid economies here and there, but the overwhelming presence will still be military.
But that aside, it's not really something people would seek out typically for some FOTM meta activity... so is that wrecked?
I've heard comment a lot that people have started with an Orbis primary (and hated it), on the presumption that if they dont, it might not be optimal. I'd argue a successful colony doesn't need to be optimal though.
I think actions like this can definitely wreck a player's vision for a system... but i doubt that this will objectively wreck systems outright, because ultimately, the impact of a single colony is kinda low anyway.