Disappointed with lack of coat variation in wolves

Bo Marit

Lead Community Manager
Frontier
Swjosdotschka said:
Does that mean that they are currently not in game? Why were they shown in the dev diaries and advertised though? Was this a feature that was pushed back due to bugs that couldn't be polished yet? I remember it wasn't just a side kick but a very often mentioned feature. I'm a bit confused now....

I wish you all a nice weekend as well, though! Hope you all have a good rest.
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I'm not 100% sure at the moment but will check for you on Monday. There's definitely elements in-game so I reckon we want to expand further on what's already there and what is possible, but again: I'll double-check things for you on Monday as people have gone home for the weekend :)

Thanks for your patience!
 

Swjosdotschka

Swjosdotschka
Bo Marit said:
I'm not 100% sure at the moment but will check for you on Monday. There's definitely elements in-game so I reckon we want to expand further on what's already there and what is possible, but again: I'll double-check things for you on Monday as people have gone home for the weekend :)

Thanks for your patience!
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Thank you for taking the time to answer me. :) Hope oyou are off to a fabolous weekend now.
 

Indoraptor27

Indoraptor27
Bo Marit said:
Alright, an update for you all!

When it comes to colour and pattern variation, we want to look into our possibilities and will keep you updated when there are any developments in these areas. Please know that it is on our radar and we're keen to address the issues you're having with variation; we're not able to give a timeframe at this stage, so please be patient with us.

Thanks again for the feedback in this thread! It is something we absolutely take to heart but took some time to delve into.

Hope you all have a nice weekend ❤
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This is definitely the most helpful dev response yet. Does this mean the variations were supposed to be in the whole time, it was just a bug that they hadn't shown up?
 

JamieCA

J
Stef said:
The thing is, a unique behaviour and unique looks on the animals (all the animals) were advertised before the game even released. But its not in the game at all. So the players are a bit miffed about it (i am tho). But we dont know if its just a bug, gets implemented later (in worst case via a dlc which we have to buy) or if they lied to us in the first place and never intend to add them in.
The peacock displayed his tailfeathers in the trailer, but not in the game. It was a bug and it got fixed.
So we (or I) just want to know whats up, thats all. A simple "we are working on the issue, its a bug", "this feature is not implemented yet but will be on a later date" or a "we dont plan on implementing various coat colors" or something, anything, would be good to know. Communication with your player base is key if you want feedback for your game. And since this was advertised, I just would love to know if it will be in the game.
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Bo Marit said:
I'm not 100% sure at the moment but will check for you on Monday. There's definitely elements in-game so I reckon we want to expand further on what's already there and what is possible, but again: I'll double-check things for you on Monday as people have gone home for the weekend :)

Thanks for your patience!
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I appreciate the responses! This is literally what we need. 1) Acknowledge the issue 2) let us know that you are going to gather info. Even if you don't have a solution just let us know it will be addressed. That makes for much happier and more understanding players.
 

Moonfox

Moonfox
Bo Marit said:
Alright, an update for you all!

When it comes to colour and pattern variation, we want to look into our possibilities and will keep you updated when there are any developments in these areas. Please know that it is on our radar and we're keen to address the issues you're having with variation; we're not able to give a timeframe at this stage, so please be patient with us.

Thanks again for the feedback in this thread! It is something we absolutely take to heart but took some time to delve into.

Hope you all have a nice weekend ❤
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Thank you so much for providing a statement and acknowledging that we need an update on what is being done about colour variations in the game. Looking forward to news!
 

Kai

Kai
Bo Marit said:
I'm not 100% sure at the moment but will check for you on Monday. There's definitely elements in-game so I reckon we want to expand further on what's already there and what is possible, but again: I'll double-check things for you on Monday as people have gone home for the weekend :)

Thanks for your patience!
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No offence, but that response is very vague (I do understand that you personally don't have the information yet, and you're mainly doing damage control here).

This should be a simple question: are they adding more coat variations for the current animals, & if so, will it be as a free content update? Timeline aside. I can't understand why this is hard question for them to answer. I wonder if there is an internal argument about skin variants being monetised (or worries of it taking too much time away from paid DLC).

If they don't have plans to add more coat variations (or adding them any time soon), would they considered letting modders add animal skins to the workshop?
 

Swjosdotschka

Swjosdotschka
Hmmm... I still hope no one had time yesterday to write an answer but I'm begining to worry, that the coat variation thing with zebras, lions and other animals we have seen with coat variation in the dev diaries, trailers and other advertising videos were just false marketing. Wich would honestly leave a bitter taste. I still appreciate Frontier for their fast reaction to feedback and bugs in the first two month after release and I wil always love the game. Still, I was looking forward very much to that promised feature and it just doesn't feel good that it's not there in the end.

For me, it would make the animals much more unique, though I also still hope for more individual personality, like was also promised. However, with the personality I think was just false interpretation on our side. They meant species and sexes, not individuals, obviously. The coats are on a different level, as they were visually advertised.
 

LN

LN
Kai said:
No offence, but that response is very vague (I do understand that you personally don't have the information yet, and you're mainly doing damage control here).
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Exactly. The response is purposely vague.

And you know what? Even then people think they acknowledged the problem. They only acknowledge people having issues with the lack of coat variation.

It's not only coat where the variation come from, also size. The Journal where they talked about this is taken way out of it's context.
There are coat variations, just not that notacible for every animal.
 

Moonfox

Moonfox
So Monday came and went, still no reply?

I bought this game for individual animals, as advertised. There is no individual personality whatsoever, which is extremely disappointing, but not having coat variation in animals such as wolves, wild dogs, reindeer, lions or tigers is inexcusable. Of all things to add, why choose albino/leucistic animals? This game was supposed to have realistic animals, but all we have are clones and token albinos to farm for credits.
 

Swjosdotschka

Swjosdotschka
I even have a looot of clone zebras though. And believe me, I checked on them closely before complaining here. Maybe the randomizer for coat variants has a bug or something like that. There was something like that in Sims 2, which had a huuuge genetic variation, but the game would only role out the first possible genetic combination all the time, unless you had a longer play session and several children where born shortly after another without exiting the game.
 

LN

LN
marcnesiumHH said:
the statement in July, already cited by @NL_Mutso, was very clear and not vague.
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It was in response to the latest reply of Bo Marit.

In your quote she's talking Zebra's by the way as a example and not wolves. Why would that be you ask? Probably because the ingame's Zebra's patterns are unique and the Wolves's isn't and people expect too much.
 
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Bo Marit

Lead Community Manager
Frontier
Moonfox said:
So Monday came and went, still no reply?

I bought this game for individual animals, as advertised. There is no individual personality whatsoever, which is extremely disappointing, but not having coat variation in animals such as wolves, wild dogs, reindeer, lions or tigers is inexcusable. Of all things to add, why choose albino/leucistic animals? This game was supposed to have realistic animals, but all we have are clones and token albinos to farm for credits.
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PLEASE be patient, we are looking into it as we speak and gathering information needed before we can reply. We always want to be certain about things before we will address it publicly. Thanks for understanding!

Luuknoord said:
It was in response to the latest reply of Bo Marit.

In your quote she's talking Zebra's by the way as a example and not wolves. Why would that be you ask? Probably because the ingame's Zebra's patterns are unique and the Wolves's isn't and people expect too much.
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THANK YOU! I was wondering why this quote was being taken out of context...
 

marcnesiumHH

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Bo Marit said:
THANK YOU! I was wondering why this quote was being taken out of context...
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I honestly personally do not care about coat variations. But I've looked it up now. In the cited gameplay E3 video at 4:20 it's clearly stated that 'each animal is unique'. So please do not blame someone taking something out of context. And using zebras as an example is very different from saying each zebra is unique.
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jY9xd34THvc
 

Bo Marit

Lead Community Manager
Frontier
marcnesiumHH said:
I honestly personally do not care about coat variations. But I've looked it up now. In the cited gameplay E3 video at 4:20 it's clearly stated that 'each animal is unique'. So please do not blame someone taking something out of context. And using zebras as an example is very different from saying each zebra is unique.
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jY9xd34THvc
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There was no blame whatsoever, but my forum quote was different from the above video :)
 

Mkau

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Luuknoord said:
Size as well.
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That's true,but the biggest uniqueness factor of an animal is it's coat colour,unique markings or in it's horns,tusks etc.
Personality,size and genetics come after that.

Quick example from the game:

Animal A and Animal B are both 100% genetics animals.They are both males and both full body black.They are literally clones.

Now with just a small change:

Animal A and Animal B are both 100% genetics animals.They are both males and both full body black,but Animal B has a white marking on it's right foreleg and around it's right eye.You now know exactly who is who and they aren't clones anymore.
 

LN

LN
Mkau said:
That's true,but the biggest uniqueness factor of an animal is it's coat colour,unique markings or in it's horns,tusks etc.
Personality,size and genetics come after that.

Quick example from the game:

Animal A and Animal B are both 100% genetics animals.They are both males and both full body black.They are literally clones.

Now with just a small change:

Animal A and Animal B are both 100% genetics animals.They are both males and both full body black,but Animal B has a white marking on it's right foreleg and around it's right eye.You now know exactly who is who and they aren't clones anymore.
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I get that coat colours (looks) give more uniqueness etc.
But then we are again talking about what a individual wants/expects, and not what's in the game and supposedly meant by Frontier.

For me, character traits are equally important.

But there is nothing wrong with raising the question and ask for more (visual) variation of course.
 
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