Distant Worlds 3 expedition is postponed indefinitely (from DW Project Leader Erimus)

Horizon planet tech is good, like well done f-dev, but it's pretty boring also

Looking forward to getting it on xbox x/s - but will probably be staying well away from the combat unless they make some basic changes as the personal. Sheild concept is unrealistic and looks pretty in-fun to play up against
 
Indeed. I have come to know our explorers as one of the most toxic (and whiny) bunch in ED - and I am one of them.
Yup, I'm an explorer too, but I seem to be not welcome in the exploration part of the forum because I dared to like the FSS more then the ADS.
I stopped calling myself an explorer a couple of years ago, now I present myself as a tourist, it doesn't have the negative vibe attached to it ;)

As nowadays I rarely spend more than a couple of days at a time in the depths of space outside of Coloniam tourist is a good description really!
 
Question - wouldn't DW3 have been postponed until the console players could join in anyway? I can't help but feel that an indefinite postponement has been somewhat of an overreaction. Sure, it should wait until a few more issues with the planet tech have been resolved, but surely DW3 wouldn't have been taking place until the consoles can participate, by which time we would expect FDEV to have resolved those planet tech issues?
 
Question - wouldn't DW3 have been postponed until the console players could join in anyway? I can't help but feel that an indefinite postponement has been somewhat of an overreaction. Sure, it should wait until a few more issues with the planet tech have been resolved, but surely DW3 wouldn't have been taking place until the consoles can participate, by which time we would expect FDEV to have resolved those planet tech issues?
DW3 was delayed for the consoles, the organizers said this back in January. and some of us have been following it on the distant worlds server, its been no secret that there wouldn't be a DW3 until frontier deliver. What people have failed to do is watch the Elite Week video and Obsidian Ants video, which the comment by erimus was in reference to.

Its about the way frontier deal with its players, not so much how the odyssey release is a mess, as DW3 wouldn't have happened until the mess is sorted out.

Watch the videos to get the context.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLK8w-bhdzo

Source: https://youtu.be/5t44Ojldgvk
 
I remember the community from the early days, all the way back to 3301. I remember so many great player groups and countless players who made the galaxy great to fly in. For so many of us, those commanders and groups are our friends. We love the game because of the community. Frontier, do you not understand how hard on us it is to see those friends go? Do you not understand how demoralizing that is? Open your eyes and see how hard it is for the community to love the game right now.

I remember so many times when you, Frontier Developments, had the chance to help us nurture and grow this community, keep it alive and keep it going. You've blown those opportunites far more times than you've gotten things right. The slow pace of content and botched deliveries made the community leaders like Erimus Kamzel work hard as hell to keep it going. They work that hard because they love the game and community, not money. The developers of EDMC, EDSM, EDDB, EDSY, ED Discovery, Spansh, Coriolis, Inara, and Canonn R&D work their asses off because they love the game and community, not money. Lave Radio and Radio Sidewinder broadcast because of their love of the community and Elite. The YouTubers that cover Elite and bring game news and guides to the community do so because they love the community and the game.

Frontier, look at this unique and awesome community that came together because of your creation. With anger and sadness, I would ask you: Do you not love this community, too? Does it not gouge your heart to see the community hurt this badly? It did to me. CMDR Dutch Foster has been gone from the game and community for years now because of how many friends and folks I saw move on from Elite and how hurt the community was. And the hurt back then doesn't compare to now. Not even close.

I never stopped watching the community, and with the Odyssey launch, I had hope for the community and the game. Everyone in the community had hope for the game. You hyped up Odyssey to be the biggest expansion in Elite Dangerous. In an alpha live stream, it was said there was a later version than what we were seeing. Were we mistaken in thinking there would be a finished product? Was that just to cover for bugs seen in the live stream, make us think they wouldn't be in the release? It sure looks like it to me. Every other testing for an update has been a beta that I can remember. So were we mistaken in thinking that a beta would follow an alpha after community testing and feedback? I mean, it does acording to the greek alphabet, and in game development cycles that start with alpha testing, they usually move to beta testing and then you get a finished product.
Odyssey was a full price expansion. And with any major game update or expansion, one would expect a bug or two. Odyssey is half broken. This is not very far beyond alpha. It's obviously a rush job. But why? I get there was a pandemic, I get that there was less than optimal working conditions. I understand financial time frames and constraints. But to release Odyssey as it is, presenting it as though it would be a finished product, not saying anything... Are we wrong to feel as though we were misled. I feel misled. I am angry. And once again I am hurt see this community in such great turmoil. So Frontier, again with anger and sadness, I ask you: Do you not love this community, too? Are you only trying to hype the game up enough to sell it to as many people as you can and put as little effort into it as possible? Is it really just about the money?

David Braben, you call Elite your baby.
Let me break it down simply.
The 29th event was when your baby started walking towards a swimming pool.
The Gnosis event was when your baby fell in that pool.
Odyssey was throwing that baby half a life raft that was half inflated and not completely sealed.
Your baby is gasping for air.
If you're going to save it, now is the time.
Ticktock
 
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David Braben, you call Elite your baby.
Let me break it down simply.
The 29th event was when your baby started walking towards a swimming pool.
The Gnosis event was when your baby fell in that pool.
Odyssey was throwing that baby half a life raft that was half inflated and not completely sealed.
Your baby is gasping for air.
If you're going to save it, now is the time.
Ticktock
Twaddle. The Gnosis was the only time ED ever actually lived up to its potential where the unexpected actually happened, and not relegated to Galnet.

ED is dying in my eyes because such dynamic and unexpected content gets smothered over and over.
 
I find the original post by the Distant Worlds founder a bit dramatic.

He says the game lost its soul but hasn't pointed to any reason why said soul has been lost. He just points to a post from Drew Wagar, who is perpetually offended at the lack of original Elite Dangerous lore in the game. The game's always been like this, you can't lose something that was never there. Odyssey has simply added an FPS game and an attempt at better graphics, the issues from which will surely be fixed.

Not sure where all this melodramatic soul loss has come from. Not saying there aren't any bugs or mistakes in Odyssey, it's just some people seem to have lost all reason, and can't see the wood for the trees.
 
The Gnosis incident wasn't unexpected, because GalNet told everyone what was going to happen in advance :D
Tell that to the people who ran like children from the chaos :D Although it was quite clear that something was going to go wrong, it was the panic of logging on into a warzone in comparison to the sedate berths people were used to. That was epic, and watching people screamtype in terror was quite frankly what meeting a Thargoid should be about.
 
I don't see the bugs. I'm not playing.

Basically i'm metaphorically at the Winchester and having a pint until this all blows over.
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Tell that to the people who ran like children from the chaos :D Although it was quite clear that something was going to go wrong, it was the panic of logging on into a warzone in comparison to the sedate berths people were used to. That was epic, and watching people screamtype in terror was quite frankly what meeting a Thargoid should be about.
Who would take a paper ship onto a megaship that was allegedly going to jump into Thargoid infested space - then complain when Thargoids appeared?

Maybe I was never cut out to be a 'real explorer' 🤷‍♂️
 
Tell that to the people who ran like children from the chaos :D Although it was quite clear that something was going to go wrong, it was the panic of logging on into a warzone in comparison to the sedate berths people were used to. That was epic, and watching people screamtype in terror was quite frankly what meeting a Thargoid should be about.
Being a rat leaving the sinking ship was excellent fun.
 
Again, important to remember that the statement quoted in the OP was elsewhere, was not posted by Erimus, and is not an official DW3 announcement.
It's true the Distant Worlds team are not hopeful about the future as far as things stand now - we don't even have a Frontier contact - but you know. If it wasn't for the passion for the game people have Distant Worlds and many other expeditions, events, PvP leagues, canyon racing, the Buckyballers, the scientists and miners wouldn't have organised so many great things over the last 6-7 years. "Indefinitely" isn't "never". But I think it's a long way back from here.
 
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